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also, this linked article explains some of the seedings by Charlie

www.espn.com

Women's Bracketology -- Transfers, coaching changes impact first 2020-21 bracket

Maryland's transfers, Destiny Slocum's move to Arkansas and new homes for Vic Schaefer and Niele Ivey had a domino effect on the bracket.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

The UConn blurb is here

But despite losing Megan Walker a year sooner than expected to the WNBA and Crystal Dangerfield to graduation, UConn looks like the team that gets the most upside. Even though the Huskies haven't gained any transfers, they move up as others fall back.

Before the upheaval at Maryland and Mississippi State, UConn was projected as a No. 2 seed, just as it likely would have been had the 2020 NCAA tournament been played. The Huskies now are back on the No. 1 line (No. 3 overall) and seeded in comfortable territory in the Albany Regional.

HoopGurlz's second-ranked recruiting class, led by No. 1 overall prospect Paige Bueckers, helps offset the personnel losses and coach Geno Auriemma still has Christyn Williams, Olivia Nelson-Ododa and Aubrey Griffin.


Hey Charlie. How about Ana???
 
ucbart said:
Who else did a little dance when you saw 'Big East' next to our name?
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More than that - the Big East with 4 teams in. Almost ready to go up against the traditional power conferences for numbers...

I know we were starting to see AAC schools improve and land better recruits, but now as far as I'm concerned, that conference can rot away. Hopefully the Big East now sees bumps in talent and rankings since UCONN has joined...
 
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EricLA said:
More than that - the Big East with 4 teams in. Almost ready to go up against the traditional power conferences for numbers...

I know we were starting to see AAC schools improve and land better recruits, but now as far as I'm concerned, that conference can rot away. Hopefully the Big East now sees bumps in talent and rankings since UCONN has joined...
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Charlie must be on something because he has 3 teams from the Big East in the same bracket. If there are 4 teams from the Big East, the NCAA would most likely have one in each bracket. If that was not possible, then the most that they would have is 2 teams in one bracket.
 
PoppaBear said:
Does anyone else think Texas as an #8 seed is a bit low for a program loaded with talent and a newly minted $2M coach that is on a mission?
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Usually takes a year or two before we see results. Texas was barely a tournament team this year and they lose 4 of their top 6 players. The cupboard is pretty bare outside of Collier and maybe Taylor.
 
MSGRET said:
Charlie must be on something because he has 3 teams from the Big East in the same bracket. If there are 4 teams from the Big East, the NCAA would most likely have one in each bracket. If that was not possible, then the most that they would have is 2 teams in one bracket.
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I'm not 100%, but I don't think that rule applies if teams are unlikely to meet up. The odds of an inconference match up in the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 are incredibly slim for an 11 seed, a 9 seed and a 4.
 
I'm a little surprised that Baylor is a 1 seed. I know Cox graduated. Seems like they'd take a step back but I admit I am unfamiliar with who else is back for them.
 
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Hampton as the auto-bid from the Big South? This HPU disrespect is gonna have to stop.... :mad:
 
Lucelab113 said:
I'm a little surprised that Baylor is a 1 seed. I know Cox graduated. Seems like they'd take a step back but I admit I am unfamiliar with who else is back for them.
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Baylor should be very good next year but I was thinking more 2 seed given they lose Cox, Cooper and Landrum. Smith, Egbo, Ursin, Richards, J. Oliver, and Bickel should be a nice group, add in very talented freshmen like Gusters and Andrews. Unless they make some additions via the grad transfer portal which Kim has been using quite a bit these last two years. I think they are about a two seed. They need more shooters IMO. Gusters, Smith, and Egbo should be a very strong post group.

I don't know what Louisville and NC State look like next year. Oregon while extremely talented, lose so much that I don't think they will be a 1 seed. I think Miss St is a 2 or 3 seed. Maryland would have been in the discussion but that roster disintegrated within the last month.

So I don't know who you would replace them with
 
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SECbbfan24 said:
Baylor should be good next year but I was thinking more 2 seed given they lose Cox, Cooper and Landrum. Smith, Egbo, Ursin, Richards, J. Oliver, and Bickel should be a nice group, add in very talented freshmen like Gusters and Andrews. Unless they make some additions via the grad transfer portal which Kim has been using quite a bit these last two years. I think they are about a two seed. They need more shooters IMO. Gusters, Smith, and Egbo should be a very strong post group.
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I was thinking 2 seed for them as well but I don’t know who would go to the 1 line to replace them. It’s hard for me to imagine anyone other than them in the Austin Regional.
 
SCspur said:
I was thinking 2 seed for them as well but I don’t know who would go to the 1 line to replace them. It’s hard for me to imagine anyone other than them in the Austin Regional.
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Looking at Louisville, they return Dana Evans, Elizabeth Balogun and other bench kids but they lose Jazmine Jones, Kylee Shook, and Dunham. Now they did add Hailey Van Lith and Cochran which are two great incoming freshmen with potential major impact. They also have a transfer available that sat out in Kianna Smith. While I think Louisville will be strong they have their share of questions as well.

NC State, they had a lot of very young talent last year. They return Cunane, Brown-Turner, Jones, and Cruthfield from their starting 5 which is very strong. They do lose Konig, who was a freaking monster at the end of the year. They add two talented 4 star guards. While I believe NC State is definitely top 8, are they 1 seed quality? We will see. I had them as a 2 seed as well but the potential is there.

Again these teams all are extremely talented and have potential but I just don't know about certain teams being a 1 seed but who else would go in their places? I think you have a core group of teams that will vie for these spots, then there is a little bit of a gap.


Sorry for my rambling, I'm bored today :D
 
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EricLA said:
More than that - the Big East with 4 teams in. Almost ready to go up against the traditional power conferences for numbers...

I know we were starting to see AAC schools improve and land better recruits, but now as far as I'm concerned, that conference can rot away. Hopefully the Big East now sees bumps in talent and rankings since UCONN has joined...
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Why do you want the conference to rot away? That makes no sense. We were lucky to have other teams join us, so we could play in a conference.
 
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eebmg said:
also, this linked article explains some of the seedings by Charlie

www.espn.com

Women's Bracketology -- Transfers, coaching changes impact first 2020-21 bracket

Maryland's transfers, Destiny Slocum's move to Arkansas and new homes for Vic Schaefer and Niele Ivey had a domino effect on the bracket.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

The UConn blurb is here

But despite losing Megan Walker a year sooner than expected to the WNBA and Crystal Dangerfield to graduation, UConn looks like the team that gets the most upside. Even though the Huskies haven't gained any transfers, they move up as others fall back.

Before the upheaval at Maryland and Mississippi State, UConn was projected as a No. 2 seed, just as it likely would have been had the 2020 NCAA tournament been played. The Huskies now are back on the No. 1 line (No. 3 overall) and seeded in comfortable territory in the Albany Regional.

HoopGurlz's second-ranked recruiting class, led by No. 1 overall prospect Paige Bueckers, helps offset the personnel losses and coach Geno Auriemma still has Christyn Williams, Olivia Nelson-Ododa and Aubrey Griffin.


Hey Charlie. How about Ana???
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Ana... how about Evina? ESPN recently listed her as a potential POY candidate. Sometimes I wonder about Charlie’s homework. That’s a pretty big miss!
 
SECbbfan24 said:
Looking at Louisville, they return Dana Evans, Elizabeth Balogun and other bench kids but they lose Jazmine Jones, Kylee Shook, and Dunham. Now they did add Hailey Van Lith and Cochran which are two great incoming freshmen with potential major impact. They also have a transfer available that sat out in Kianna Smith. While I think Louisville will be strong they have their share of questions as well.

NC State, they had a lot of very young talent last year. They return Cunane, Brown-Turner, Jones, and Cruthfield from their starting 5 which is very strong. They do lose Konig, who was a freaking monster at the end of the year. They add two talented 4 star guards. While I believe NC State is definitely top 8, are they 1 see quality? We will see. I had them as a 2 seed as well but the potential is there.

Again these teams all are extremely talented and have potential but I just don't know about certain teams being a 1 seed but who else would go in their places? I think you have a core group of teams that will vie for these spots, then there is a little bit of a gap.


Sorry for my rambling, I'm bored today :D
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I don’t see either team being better than Baylor next year or good enough to bump them from the Austin regional. Next year will probably be more interesting than this past year being so many talented player graduated. It’s going to be fun to watch the younger players step up to be the next face of WCBB.
 
bballnut90 said:
I'm not 100%, but I don't think that rule applies if teams are unlikely to meet up. The odds of an inconference match up in the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 are incredibly slim for an 11 seed, a 9 seed and a 4.
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Not so incredibly slim. Top 16 teams host and the rule prohibits 2 top 16 conference teams being in the same region, and if that's not possible (5 teams from one conference in the top 16) then they are not to meet until the E8. A one and four seed from the same conference would meet in the S16 and a 9 seed would face a 1 seed in the second round so Creme got it all fouled up. He ends up correcting his mistakes later. I think there is also mention of teams playing for a third time. Since the BE plays H&H it's likely that a NCAA meetup would be their 4th game. UConn and N Dame had that 4th game in 2012 & 2013. The winner of the first 3 lost the 4th in both years.

After seeing the bracket I see that it's the "other" 3 BE teams that all get up in the Spokane region.
 
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bballnut90 said:
I'm not 100%, but I don't think that rule applies if teams are unlikely to meet up. The odds of an inconference match up in the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 are incredibly slim for an 11 seed, a 9 seed and a 4.
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I believe that the rule is, unless absolutely necessary no more than two teams per conference per bracket.
 
Alydar said:
Not so incredibly slim. Top 16 teams host and the rule prohibits 2 top 16 conference teams being in the same region, and if that's not possible (5 teams from one conference in the top 16) then they are not to meet until the E8. A one and four seed from the same conference would meet in the S16 and a 9 seed would face a 1 seed in the second round so Creme got it all fouled up. He ends up correcting his mistakes later. I think there is also mention of teams playing for a third time. Since the BE plays H&H it's likely that a NCAA meetup would be their 4th game. UConn and N Dame had that 4th game in 2012 & 2013. The winner of the first 3 lost the 4th in both years.
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The 1 seed (UCONN) isn't in the same bracket as the 4/8/11. So the 8 seed (Marquette, who I incorrectly listed as a 9 prior would have) has to beat the #1 seed to meet up with the 4 in the Sweet 16.

3 teams from the same conference in the same regional is not uncommon at all. Last NCAA tournament had the following:
-3 ACC Teams in Portland and Greensboro
-3 SEC Teams in Greensboro
-3 Big Ten Teams in Albany
 
bballnut90 said:
The 1 seed (UCONN) isn't in the same bracket as the 4/8/11. So the 8 seed (Marquette, who I incorrectly listed as a 9 prior would have) has to beat the #1 seed to meet up with the 4 in the Sweet 16.

3 teams from the same conference in the same regional is not uncommon at all. Last NCAA tournament had the following:
-3 ACC Teams in Portland and Greensboro
-3 SEC Teams in Greensboro
-3 Big Ten Teams in Albany
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I didn't know that. But those conferences had more than 4 teams in. When you get 8 teams in like the SEC has done that's 2 per region at best.
 
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MSGRET said:
I believe that the rule is, unless absolutely necessary no more than two teams per conference per bracket.
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For the men's tournament, these are rules I found:
Each of the first four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions if they are seeded on the first four lines.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional semifinals if they played each other twice during the regular season and conference tournament.

Teams from the same conference may play each other as early as the second round if they played no more than once during the regular season and conference tournament.

I know the first point holds true on the women's side, but I'm not sure about the bottom 3. Regarding keeping it to 2 conference teams per regional, I just did a little research of last few years and if it's the rule, it doesn't often hold true:

2019:
-3 ACC Teams in Portland and Greensboro
-3 SEC Teams in Greensboro
-3 Big Ten Teams in Albany

2018:
-4 ACC Teams in Albany
-3 Big Ten Teams in Kansas City

2017:
-3 SEC Teams in OKC

2016:
-3 Big Ten Teams in Lexington
-3 SEC Teams in Sioux Falls (forced to with 9 teams from SEC)
 
Kaizen said:
ND #7 seed in Austin ...big improvement LOL
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I expect ND to be much better than last year, and even better the year after that. ND had one bad year. No program could have endured what they did and come out smelling like a rose. No leadership, no chemistry and no experience. Too many no's for that team to be successful. We'll never see ND lose 18 games again in our lifetime.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that because she doesn't have any head coaching experience, that's going to her progress. Muffet is still right there should she need her. Neile has her on speed dial. I'm sure they'll talk everyday. Ivey has been in the co-pilot's seat long enough. She's been looking over Muffet's shoulder for years. She's ready to slide over into the captain's chair and take control. No doubt the returning players on the roster (and the incoming freshmen) are excited to play for her.

I doubt they'll lose double digit games in any season under Ivey's watch. This past season was an aberration to be sure. Even though I'm NOT a ND fan by any means, I fully expect Neile to return ND to national prominence in short order, and keep them there, such as Dawn Staley has done with South Carolina. Ivey won't have any trouble recruiting the nation's top recruits to South Bend.

I don't like Muffet because of her constant sniping (and incessant whining) at Geno every time the opportunity manifested itself. I danced a jig every time we beat her. :p I have nothing against Neile. I wish her all the luck in the world EXCEPT when they play UConn. I might even start to root for Neile and ND (I can't believe I said that :confused:). I hope the games with ND continue well into the foreseeable future. These games are good for both teams, and always generate a lot of fan and media interest, as well as revenue.
 
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Alydar said:
I didn't know that. But those conferences had more than 4 teams in. When you get 8 teams in like the SEC has done that's 2 per region at best.
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True. But they're not as likely to spread a conference with 4 teams in across all 4 regionals unless they're all top 4 seeds.

If you look at the Big East specifically, you have:
2016: 3 teams in, 2 played in Dallas
2017: 3 teams in, 2 played in Stockton
2018: 4 teams in, 2 played in Spokane
2019: 2 teams in, 2 played in Chicago

So realistically 3 in the same regional from the Big East may be less likely as @MSGRET indicated, but I don't think it'll be a shock if it happens considering all of the other factors the committee has to take into account. Here's another good article I found explaining the general steps to seeding:

NCAA.org - The Official Site of the NCAA

www.ncaa.org www.ncaa.org
 
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eebmg said:
also, this linked article explains some of the seedings by Charlie

www.espn.com

Women's Bracketology -- Transfers, coaching changes impact first 2020-21 bracket

Maryland's transfers, Destiny Slocum's move to Arkansas and new homes for Vic Schaefer and Niele Ivey had a domino effect on the bracket.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

The UConn blurb is here

But despite losing Megan Walker a year sooner than expected to the WNBA and Crystal Dangerfield to graduation, UConn looks like the team that gets the most upside. Even though the Huskies haven't gained any transfers, they move up as others fall back.

Before the upheaval at Maryland and Mississippi State, UConn was projected as a No. 2 seed, just as it likely would have been had the 2020 NCAA tournament been played. The Huskies now are back on the No. 1 line (No. 3 overall) and seeded in comfortable territory in the Albany Regional.

HoopGurlz's second-ranked recruiting class, led by No. 1 overall prospect Paige Bueckers, helps offset the personnel losses and coach Geno Auriemma still has Christyn Williams, Olivia Nelson-Ododa and Aubrey Griffin.


Hey Charlie. How about Ana???
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Good read, thanks eebmg. Good information to know if we're going to critique this coming season's teams.
 
Carnac said:
I expect ND to be much better than last year, and even better the year after that. ND had one bad year. No program could have come out smelling like a rose losing their entire starting 5 like ND did. No leadership, no chemistry and no experience. Too many no's for that team to be successful. We'll never see ND lose 18 games again in our lifetime. I doubt they'll lose double digits games in any season under Ivey's tenure. This past season was an aberration to be sure.
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I agree. Last season they not only lost their starting 5 but they also went a long stretch without their top 4 other contributors from 2019 due to injury/transfer. For a long time their only returnees were Danielle Cosgrove (who scored 37 points in 2019) and a walk on (Cole). The only parallel I can think of was Tennessee in 2009 after they graduated 5 senior starters and then lost 2 projected starters to injury, leaving a young and inexperienced team that struggled for Tennessee standards. The next year though they went 32-3 and were back as a #1 seed. Notre Dame's struggles were more extreme than Tennessee's and their talent pool isn't as deep as Tennessee's was, but I do think they'll be a LOT better next year if everyone is healthy. The team improved once February hit even though they still obviously weren't very good.

Each of Peoples/Brunelle/Gilbert have star power, their incoming freshmen may become strong glue players, Prohaska is a glue player and Vaughn gives them experience in the post. This may be optimistic but I could see them as a top 10-15 team if things come together for Ivey and co. Last year was truly a hurricane of bad events for them.
 
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