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How is it that St. Joihn's starts 5 players who can all handle the ball, shoot from deep, and rebound and we start none? How is it that Myles Powell (who wanted to go to UConn) is now one of the best players in the country and Jalen's game has completely gone to ?

Seton Hall, St. John's and even Georgetown are all way better than us right now and it's incredibly depressing.
 
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Btw when did Georgetown change their colors?
 
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superjohn said:
How is it that St. Joihn's starts 5 players who can all handle the ball, shoot from deep, and rebound and we start none? How is it that Myles Powell (who wanted to go to UConn) is now one of the best players in the country and Jalen's game has completely gone to ?

Seton Hall, St. John's and even Georgetown are all way better than us right now and it's incredibly depressing.
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While they are practicing getting better we are making pool dunk videos
 
Athletes everywhere. Need the Johnny's and Joe's next year. Startling how bad it is
 
Stainmaster said:
Powell is the biggest recruiting miss of the past 6 years that nobody talks about.
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He's a cool story. Worked so hard on his body after everyone told him he was too big to play on the wing. He's transformed himself since high school.
 
Stainmaster said:
Powell is the biggest recruiting miss of the past 6 years that nobody talks about.
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Govan would be quite nice right now too.

That undersized PF that was at Notre Dame was a big miss too. Can't think of his name right now.
 
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I was watching that game today from about 10 minutes left into OT. Both teams have players at every position, made layups, made jumpers, actually ran plays that freed their better players, and defended with quick feet rather than standing stiff legged. Amazing. Looked like basketball for a change.
 
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Stainmaster said:
Bonzie Colson, who apparently had strong interest in us.
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My theory on Colson is he was like John Gwynn. Short neck. So, he was listed at 6'5" and KO probably said to himself that this Colson kid is too short to play power forward for us.
He forgot Colson had arms the length of a 6'9" guy and played like one.
 
Towney007 said:
Im amazed it’s taken people this long to figure out that this team is really this bad.
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Me too. When I said I would be happy with 18 wins preseason, I meant it. The 3-4 year rebuild is has always been my imagined road map.

The diff between us and others is we are starting from a much, much lower place than most anyone else.
 
I would love to know how much the team shoots inside Gampel.
 
Still amazes me that we can’t land one pure shooter. Like a killer 3 point guy who can’t play a lick of d. Seems like most teams have one. Also, why can’t we get one super athletic raw down low player that is just a beast down low? I don’t care if he’s talented- just be a serial killer down low. It’s actually mind-boggling how we can’t land anybody - was Ollie that bad of a recruiter? , he set the program back years. Everything Calhoun built. So depressing.
 
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This team has the worst possible combo u wud want in players: soft, no hustle, no explosiveness, can’t play d, can’t shoot, no desire, can’t make free throws , can box out, numerous turnovers , minimal b-ball iq, no physical prowess, no desire to hit weight room. It’s actually shocking how bad it is.
 
intlzncster said:
Me too. When I said I would be happy with 18 wins preseason, I meant it. The 3-4 year rebuild is has always been my imagined road map.

The diff between us and others is we are starting from a much, much lower place than most anyone else.
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I mean even rose colored glasses, my take was:

Guard depth is pretty good. We should get by so long as Adams is Adams. Gilbert is a first year player for all intents and purposes who is also coming off an injury so anyone thinking of him being anything than a question mark seemed like a massive leap to me. I was optimistic about Smith and thought BAdams was going to be used more than he has.

Outside of that - literally everyone on the roster was a question mark. Cobb was a JUCO transfer who was just coming off a nice summer of tweeting and being intermitedly thrown off the team last year. Carlton was the least freshman-y guy of the group so everyone was excited about him for whatever reason. Polley and Vital come with strokes of being great, but they never have and still can't string good performances together game after game. Diarra is injured.

And then Wilson was a transfer. And you know me and my take on transfers. Transfers are transfers for a reason. Sometimes that reason is fine and makes sense. But the overwhelming majority of them have something up where they didn't click with coaches, had attitude problems, academic problems, work ethic issues, whined about their playing time.... my thing is it's ALWAYS something and something for a reason. And while we've seen mostly good stuff from him, we did see some transferitis in him, too.

Like if EVERYTHING clicked, sure - you're looking at a bubble team. And I mean EVERYTHING.

But I don't know how on earth, unless you're just hammered on the homer sauce, that you can look at a roster like that and say YEP TOURNAMENT CONTENDER.

20 wins is a big accomplishment for this group. Ollie destroyed this place. And it's going to take 2-3 years worth of solid recruiting to get back on a path of success.
 
JB75 said:
This team has the worst possible combo u wud want in players: soft, no hustle, no explosiveness, can’t play d, can’t shoot, no desire, can’t make free throws , can box out, numerous turnovers , minimal b-ball iq, no physical prowess, no desire to hit weight room. It’s actually shocking how bad it is.
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I think you're being overly dramatic.

I do think they hustle and are trying. No desire to hit the weight room? I doubt Hurley and Sal let them slide on this.

They're just not that talented. Multiple reasons for that but I do think they're trying.
 
HooperScooper said:
I think you're being overly dramatic.

I do think they hustle and are trying. No desire to hit the weight room? I doubt Hurley and Sal let them slide on this.

They're just not that talented. Multiple reasons for that but I do think they're trying.
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Yeah, I don't get the no effort tag. I saw guys drenched in sweat the last two games. I am not sure anybody even perspired a little last year. They are playing hard.

On the offensive end, I see much better ball movement and much better off the ball movement. Guys cutting through the lane, etc. What I don't see is a who lot of made baskets based on that movement. I feel like this team is part-way there. They have learned to pass and to move. But are they doing it with a purpose or are they just doing it? Some of the passes on the perimeter where a guy gives it back without even seeing if he can do something different are head scratchers. They aren't on the same page. The result is a huge number of turnovers as guys throw the ball away. There is no anticipation or understanding of where they all need to be.

I need to go back and watch film, but I suspect that several of Jalen's giveaways were situations where somebody should have seen an opening and moved there and didn't. Sometimes when Al penetrates and gets stuck in a double team, you know that some big should have slid into that vacated spot to receive a pass and dunk over the back of the defender that just doubled Gilbert. They don't and he has nowhere to go.

I confess I thought they would learn to play team basketball more quickly. I've seen 8th graders do it, so, it can be learned. That and the injuries up front and lack of improvement from Carlton and Whaley, plus regression in Polley's shooting have killed us.
 
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