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Watch Duke Superstar Celeste Taylor Get Leveled & Injure Shoulder

I had a collision somewhat like that the last basketball game I played. I had already subluxed that shoulder once, and it happened again on that play. The worst part about it was that I knew it was going to happen and there was nothing I could do about it. I was reaching for the ball, the other guy came from behind me and caught my arm just below the shoulder. Out it popped.
 
sun said:
I think that she used excessive force by coming on at full speed like a battering ram.
That would seem to indicate that she used extremely poor judgment.
In that respect it was her fault because it wasn't a clean play - it was reckless judgment, much like reckless driving.
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Is it poor judgement to play hard? She was chasing the ball. Obviously, she thought she could get to it. I don't see the comparison to reckless driving. I think you are reaching.
 
shiverz45 said:
Is it poor judgement to play hard? She was chasing the ball. Obviously, she thought she could get to it. I don't see the comparison to reckless driving. I think you are reaching.
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Denying that Rice did nothing wrong to deserve a technical foul instead of a normal interference foul is just plain wrong.
 
sun said:
Imagine if such a reckless injury ever happened to one of the UConn players.



I came across this video of former LUHI standout and U16 & U19 Team USA Olympic winner Celeste Taylor getting injured in a game against Syracuse on Jan. 9th.
She's been in a sling and hasn't played since.
I hadn't heard of her before and looking up more info. found that she was a 5 star Class of 2019 prospect of Long Island Lutheran HS.
She doesn't seem to have ever been recruited by UConn.
At least that's what the ESPN HS scouting page indicates.
How did UConn miss out on her?

HS scouting page:
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celeste-taylor

High School Girls' Basketball Recruiting Celeste Taylor
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Bio:
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Celeste Taylor - 2022-23 - Women's Basketball - Duke University

Celeste Taylor (0) Guard - CAREER HONORS: 2022-23 ACC Defensive Player of the Year 2022-23 All-ACC First Team 2022-23 ACC All-Defensive Team 2022-23 All-ACC ...
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Duke Stats after transferring:
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Celeste Taylor - 2022-23 - Women's Basketball - Duke University

Celeste Taylor (0) Guard - CAREER HONORS: 2022-23 ACC Defensive Player of the Year 2022-23 All-ACC First Team 2022-23 ACC All-Defensive Team 2022-23 All-ACC ...
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Yeah. I was watching that game when it happened. Feel bad for both players. Rice because she was making a play on the ball. Nothing wrong with that. You want and encourage players to play hard and go for the ball. In situations like this Rice was being aggressive and playing hard. I feel bad for Taylor because she got hurt. That young lady was having a solid start to her year. Now she is down for few a games. Taylor, in that situation, was like a wide receiver going across the middle and Rice was the DB.
 
sun said:
It's too coincidental that Taylor said that she transferred from Texas to Duke because it was important that she be closer to home.

Too bad that she didn't end up being as close to home as UConn is.
Just another reason to wonder why a transfer to UConn wasn't worked out.
Maybe if Geno had considered the worst case scenarios that UConn has experienced this season.
It's also probably hard for UConn to compete with Duke academically.

11. Celeste Taylor, Duke Blue Devils, G, jr.​

Previous school: Texas Longhorns
2020-21 stats: 12.3 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 2.0 APG

Taylor's grit and intensity was on full display and was a key reason Texas made its surprise run to the Elite Eight last March. She said getting closer to her New York home was important. At Duke, she will be an essential piece of Kara Lawson's rebuilt roster. -- Creme

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2021-22 women's college basketball transfer rankings

Which transfers will make the most impact? Kamilla Cardoso, Jordan Lewis and Dorka Juhasz are all on new teams after a busy offseason of movement.
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1) No it's not too coincidental that Taylor said she wanted to be closer to home. She spent 2 seasons in Texas which is ample time to realize that it wasn't the right fit for that reason. Especially over the past 2 seasons, a lot of players have entered the portal and opted to be closer to home.

2) This is a lot of hindsight is 20/20 thinking. How was Geno to know/expect that the team would be in the situation they are in?

At the time she entered the portal, UConn was guard heavy as it is with Westbrook, Beuckers, Williams, Muhl, Fudd, Ducharme, and Poffenbarger on the roster. UConn's need at the time was in the front court and they went after Juhasz.
 
CocoHusky said:
UCONN did not miss out on Celeste. Celeste's father used to occasionally (maybe still does ) post here on the BY. I don't recall the details but the family had strong ties to the University of Texas and made it know very early on in the recruiting process that UCONN was not a possibility. At USA basketball, Texas and even in AAU for the Philly Belles Celeste was the ultimate winning role player. What I mean by that and it was intended to be a great compliment is that she provided what ever the team needed to win. If the team need to lock down a hot shooter Celeste did that. If the team needed deep shooting she did that as well. She was never the "star" on any of these teams but she was essential to winning basketball. Celeste would have done extremely well at UCONN. Unless my memory is going bad she played U16, U17 & U19 for USA Basketball.

Get well soon Celeste.

That hit was clearly accidental but what I appreciate the least about the incident is Rice's reaction and lack of concern. Rice should have been sent home IMO.
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Coco:
Good memory. A few other things....
  • She played on a very good Long Island Lutheran team with, among others, Princeton's Grace Stone. Saw an absolutely dynamite HS game between LI Lutheran and the superb Manasquan HS team led by Dara Mabrey and Faith Masonius.
  • Taylor and her dad took an unofficial visits to ND the same weekend as Diamond Miller.
  • She was recruited heavily by then Texas coach Karen Alston, who was known as a good recruiter.

Hope she's ok.......
 
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Dillon77 said:
Coco:
Good memory. A few other things....
  • She played on a very good Long Island Lutheran team with, among others, Princeton's Grace Stone. Saw an absolutely dynamite HS game between LI Lutheran and the superb Manasquan HS team led by Dara Mabrey and Faith Masonius.
  • Taylor and her dad took an unofficial visits to ND the same weekend as Diamond Miller.
  • She was recruited heavily by then Texas coach Karen Alston, who was known as a good recruiter.

Hope she's ok.......
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That must have been something.
 
cancontent said:
1) No it's not too coincidental that Taylor said she wanted to be closer to home. She spent 2 seasons in Texas which is ample time to realize that it wasn't the right fit for that reason. Especially over the past 2 seasons, a lot of players have entered the portal and opted to be closer to home.

2) This is a lot of hindsight is 20/20 thinking. How was Geno to know/expect that the team would be in the situation they are in?

At the time she entered the portal, UConn was guard heavy as it is with Westbrook, Beuckers, Williams, Muhl, Fudd, Ducharme, and Poffenbarger on the roster. UConn's need at the time was in the front court and they went after Juhasz.
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We also don't know why Taylor didn't receive an offer from UConn in high school.
Her class would have started the year that Westbrook transferred but sat out.
For some reason Geno accepted a transfer guard when Taylor could have been recruited during the previous 2 years.
Then it seems that we didn't have enough firepower during the FF last year, Makurat was listed as a guard but there were still more roster spaces to fill since there were only 11 players. Last year there was 12 including Autumn who was never recruited or produced.
Why wasn't Taylor offered with so many open roster spots, before Westbrook had even transferred?
It's only a question, not an indictment, and we'll probably never know the answer unless Taylor or Geno were asked.
 
sun said:
We also don't know why Taylor didn't receive an offer from UConn in high school.
Her class would have started the year that Westbrook transferred but sat out.
For some reason Geno accepted a transfer guard when Taylor could have been recruited during the previous 2 years.
Then it seems that we didn't have enough firepower during the FF last year, Makurat was listed as a guard but there were still more roster spaces to fill since there were only 11 players. Last year there was 12 including Autumn who was never recruited or produced.
Why wasn't Taylor offered with so many open roster spots, before Westbrook had even transferred?
It's only a question, not an indictment, and we'll probably never know the answer unless Taylor or Geno were asked.
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1) Did you see posts earlier from CocoHusky and Dillon77? They both noted that the Taylor family didn't have any interest in UConn. If not, you're missing the key answer to your question.

2). UConn obviously had interest in Taylor based on this information. The Taylor family opted to go in a different direction.

It's not that you're indicting anyone but you've missed the answer that has been provided. Their replies are visible for everyone to see in this thread.
 
cancontent said:
1) Did you see posts earlier from CocoHusky and Dillon77? They both noted that the Taylor family didn't have any interest in UConn. If not, you're missing the key answer to your question.

2). UConn obviously had interest in Taylor based on this information. The Taylor family opted to go in a different direction.

It's not that you're indicting anyone but you've missed the answer that has been provided. Their replies are visible for everyone to see in this thread.
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No one named CocoHusky has posted on this thread.
Dillion77 offered anecodotes regarding other schools that does not include UConn scouting or making an offer.
And you speculated without providing any hard evidence or facts about UConn's recruitment effort.
I'm not asking about hearsay or speculation, but the truth about whether Taylor was scouted, approached, contacted or made an offer that's not on the record and the scouting report.
I'm trying to be objective in an effort to determine facts as opposed to fiction and speculation.

Sure she was recruited by Texas and perhaps even ND.
But was she contacted by Geno and the UConn program?
ESPN doesn't mention any offer made by UConn.
Maybe she wasn't interested, but that would mean that Geno had expressed interest which there's no record of.
AFAIK there's only speculation about it at this time.
 
sun said:
No one named CocoHusky has posted on this thread.
Dillion77 offered anecodotes regarding other schools that does not include UConn scouting or making an offer.
And you speculated without providing any hard evidence or facts about UConn's recruitment effort.
I'm not asking about hearsay or speculation, but the truth about whether Taylor was scouted, approached, contacted or made an offer that's not on the record and the scouting report.
I'm trying to be objective in an effort to determine facts as opposed to fiction and speculation.

Sure she was recruited by Texas and perhaps even ND.
But was she contacted by Geno and the UConn program?
ESPN doesn't mention any offer made by UConn.
Maybe she wasn't interested, but that would mean that Geno had expressed interest which there's no record of.
AFAIK there's only speculation about it at this time.
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CocoHusky said:
UCONN did not miss out on Celeste. Celeste's father used to occasionally (maybe still does ) post here on the BY. I don't recall the details but the family had strong ties to the University of Texas and made it know very early on in the recruiting process that UCONN was not a possibility. At USA basketball, Texas and even in AAU for the Philly Belles Celeste was the ultimate winning role player. What I mean by that and it was intended to be a great compliment is that she provided what ever the team needed to win. If the team need to lock down a hot shooter Celeste did that. If the team needed deep shooting she did that as well. She was never the "star" on any of these teams but she was essential to winning basketball. Celeste would have done extremely well at UCONN. Unless my memory is going bad she played U16, U17 & U19 for USA Basketball.

Get well soon Celeste.

That hit was clearly accidental but what I appreciate the least about the incident is Rice's reaction and lack of concern. Rice should have been sent home IMO.
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Here is what CocoHusky said in response to your comment.

You had asked the question, people provided insight that I would rely on as your answer. I also would take CocoHusky's word as fact as they have been a long time member on the board and has extensive knowledge on UConn's history. They don't make things up or use heresay when they comment.
 
cancontent said:
Here is what CocoHusky said in response to your comment.

You had asked the question, people provided insight that I would rely on as your answer. I also would take CocoHusky's word as fact as they have been a long time member on the board and has extensive knowledge on UConn's history. They don't make things up or use heresay when they comment.
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No one with the screen name CocoHusky has posted on this thread.
Please provide a post # as a reference for your statement.
Then at least I'll know who CocoHusky is.

What I found in print is that Taylor made one visit to UTexas in 2017 and felt that it was the right place for her, so she committed early.
I read a post on the BY mentioning that Daley had scouted her in Jan., 2017 in NJ.
And in 7/2019 she played on Team USA with Paige, and with Walz as the coach.

I think that most students make the final decision about where to attend college mostly independent of their parents.
While parents offer advice, the student will have & express their own preference.
And that's probably also the reason why she eventually decided to transfer to Duke.
She simply chose between the schools that presented her with the opportunity that most appealed to her.

Maybe UConn didn't have any appeal for her for personal reasons, or perhaps UConn didn't express serious interest before she made her early decision.
Like I already mentioned, unless her or Geno (or Daley) answer the question we may never know what transpired between her and UConn, if anything.
 
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sun said:
No one with the screen name CocoHusky has posted on this thread.
Please provide a post # as a reference for your statement.
Then at least I'll know who CocoHusky is.
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Post #5 in this thread. CocoHusky is one of the most active posters on this board.
 
sun said:
No one with the screen name CocoHusky has posted on this thread.
Please provide a post # as a reference for your statement.
Then at least I'll know who CocoHusky is.

What I found in print is that Taylor made one visit to UTexas in 2017 and felt that it was the right place for her, so she committed early.
I read a post on the BY mentioning that Daley had scouted her in Jan., 2017 in NJ.
And in 7/2019 she played on Team USA with Paige, and with Walz as the coach.

I think that most students make the final decision about where to attend college mostly independent of their parents.
While parents offer advice, the student will have & express their own preference.
And that's probably also the reason why she eventually decided to transfer to Duke.
She simply chose between the schools that presented her with the opportunity that most appealed to her.

Maybe UConn didn't have any appeal for her for personal reasons, or perhaps UConn didn't express serious interest before she made her early decision.
Like I already mentioned, unless her or Geno (or Daley) answer the question we may never know what transpired between her and UConn, if anything.
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Check the post under your second post.
 
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sun said:
No one with the screen name CocoHusky has posted on this thread.
Please provide a post # as a reference for your statement.
Then at least I'll know who CocoHusky is.

What I found in print is that Taylor made one visit to UTexas in 2017 and felt that it was the right place for her, so she committed early.
I read a post on the BY mentioning that Daley had scouted her in Jan., 2017 in NJ.
And in 7/2019 she played on Team USA with Paige, and with Walz as the coach.

I think that most students make the final decision about where to attend college mostly independent of their parents.
While parents offer advice, the student will have & express their own preference.
And that's probably also the reason why she eventually decided to transfer to Duke.
She simply chose between the schools that presented her with the opportunity that most appealed to her.

Maybe UConn didn't have any appeal for her for personal reasons, or perhaps UConn didn't express serious interest before she made her early decision.
Like I already mentioned, unless her or Geno (or Daley) answer the question we may never know what transpired between her and UConn, if anything.
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Coco has posted at least three times in this thread.

you see posts with the same attention to detail that you watch basketball games :rolleyes:
 
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HuskyNan said:
Coco has posted at least three times in this thread.

you see posts with the same attention to detail that you watch basketball games :rolleyes:
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What post #'s are those?
I've checked over & over and can't find any CocoHusky screen name that has posted in this thread.
What's their current screen name and post #'s?
Why the mystery?
Why not simply answer the question about the post #'s?
Did they change their screen name to one that they don't want to use for reference?
 
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cordarone said:
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Thanks for the info.
I haven't ignored anyone.
I'm missing posts #'s 5, 7, & 12.
I can't acknowledge info. from posts that I can't view.
Maybe they contain credible info., maybe they don't.
AFAIK Taylor was not given a verbal offer by UConn which was known from the beginning.
The reasons why are the issue.
 
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shiverz45 said:
Is it poor judgement to play hard? She was chasing the ball. Obviously, she thought she could get to it. I don't see the comparison to reckless driving. I think you are reaching.
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When you seriously injure another player while taking a big risk trying to make a play you are as responsible as if you had stolen the ball clean and gotten applauded. To my eye Taylor was not running. The other player was sprinting. I don't think there was any intent to injure but there was a disregard of the consequences of sprinting into another player. It was her aggressive play that caused the collision.
 
That’s a common foul. Period.

She plays the ball. The players collide going for the ball.

It happens.

The intensity of the collision is completely irrelevant. Using that logic stepping on a defenders foot and tearing an acl should have the defender ejected
 
Alydar said:
When you seriously injure another player while taking a big risk trying to make a play you are as responsible as if you had stolen the ball clean and gotten applauded. To my eye Taylor was not running. The other player was sprinting. I don't think there was any intent to injure but there was a disregard of the consequences of sprinting into another player. It was her aggressive play that caused the collision.
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It was fair play on a ball (loose) in the air. It couldn't have been more than parts of a second between both players touching the ball... a 50/50 ball. They didn't even hit square on so I have a different view of what...sprinting INTO means. Rice made a play on the ball. She didn't tackle her and then try and get the ball. And since when is the standard for playing or running hard dependent on what some other player is doing? Why does it matter if Taylor was running or not? Aggressive play is part of basketball. Collisions happen and sometimes players get injured. That's just part of the game. If the intent of the aggressive play was to intentionally injure another player...that would be different. But, you don't mouth...."Oh my God" if you intend to hurt someone. Can we talk about how bad of a decision it was to pass her the ball? It's like a QB throwing high over the middle to his receiver.
 
LwrcasefaN said:
It was fair play on a ball (loose) in the air. It couldn't have been more than parts of a second between both players touching the ball... a 50/50 ball. They didn't even hit square on so I have a different view of what...sprinting INTO means. Rice made a play on the ball. She didn't tackle her and then try and get the ball. And since when is the standard for playing or running hard dependent on what some other player is doing? Why does it matter if Taylor was running or not? Aggressive play is part of basketball. Collisions happen and sometimes players get injured. That's just part of the game. If the intent of the aggressive play was to intentionally injure another player...that would be different. But, you don't mouth...."Oh my God" if you intend to hurt someone. Can we talk about how bad of a decision it was to pass her the ball? It's like a QB throwing high over the middle to his receiver.
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This wasn't football. And intent may factor into what sort of foul was committed but not the fact that it was a foul. Just because the ball was in the air doesn't make running into another player legal. I saw the replay 6 times. The defender ran into the other player while trying to intercept a pass. Good try but since you not only hit the other player from behind, it was a hard foul to an extreme.

I understand that some contact of 2 players going for a loose ball is allowed, but only to a degree. I've seen UConn players called for fouls on contact a lot less violent that this example. This was a case of one player running at full speed into another player's back. That she says she was "going for the ball" doesn't excuse what she actually did which was to run into an opponent (from behind) in a reckless manner. Like I said, if she didn't bowl over the other player and got the ball cleanly it would have been a highlight. The margin between hero and goat is narrow.
 
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LwrcasefaN said:
It was fair play on a ball (loose) in the air. It couldn't have been more than parts of a second between both players touching the ball... a 50/50 ball. They didn't even hit square on so I have a different view of what...sprinting INTO means. Rice made a play on the ball. She didn't tackle her and then try and get the ball. And since when is the standard for playing or running hard dependent on what some other player is doing? Why does it matter if Taylor was running or not? Aggressive play is part of basketball. Collisions happen and sometimes players get injured. That's just part of the game. If the intent of the aggressive play was to intentionally injure another player...that would be different. But, you don't mouth...."Oh my God" if you intend to hurt someone. Can we talk about how bad of a decision it was to pass her the ball? It's like a QB throwing high over the middle to his receiver.
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Alydar said:
This wasn't football. And intent may factor into what sort of foul was committed but not the fact that it was a foul. Just because the ball was in the air doesn't make running into another player legal. I saw the replay 6 times. The defender ran into the other player try to intercept a pass. Good try but since you not only hit the other player from behind, it was a hard foul to an extreme.

I understand that some contact of 2 players going for a loose ball is allowed, but only to a degree. I've seen UConn players called for fouls on contact a lot less violent that this example. This was a case of one player running at full speed into another player's back. That she says she was "going for the ball" doesn't excuse what she actually did which was to run into an opponent (from behind) in a reckless manner. Like I said, if she didn't bowl over the other player and got the ball cleanly it would have been a highlight. The margin between hero and goat is narrow.
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I think the football example makes sense to an extent, because location of a pass is important too. We hear coaches and commentators talk about the importance of where a pass is. I don't think lwrcaseFaN is saying that a bad pass validates the aggressiveness. The way I took it is that the location of the pass could have put Taylor in a less exposed position to that hit or possibly in a position where she could have seen the defender sooner.

If a QB puts the pass in a location where the receiver has to jump or stretch out, they're vulnerable for a hard hit from a defender. This could be the same with an inbounder not putting the pass in a location where their team mate can catch it cleanly and make a play. It's still a very narrow margin in this case, but the location of a pass can make a huge difference on a play.
 
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