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Bayareahusky said:
Yeah, Parker was transformational player..... Very few players at college level could coach themselves.... had that supreme level of talent.... parker was one of those..... probably D Taurisi, C Holdsclaw too..... they were incredible players.....

I still contend that Head Coach is more vital to success of any team than is any positional player..... superstars above notwithstanding.
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Yes, especially in championship situations. A minor coaching mistake in the final four or NC game could mean the difference between a win or loss.
 
Smedrickulation! Confabulated dripsydropsyoussey. Hypermaculated kudzu 48 hours later. Just my opinion about the whole topic HERE.
 
Bayareahusky said:
It is incredible to me that the Holly fans are willing to forgive or explain away past mediocre performances and point to the year coming up..... as the year Holly will break through.... there seems always to be an excuse or explanation for not reaching the Final 4 which I guess is the mark they are shooting for..... the last year or two..... the cry has been "if not for injuries" ..... and the players who were injured were indispensable..... and then with graduation..... the players who graduated and were healthy and playing were indispensable..... even though they were the exact players seen as a weakened starting 5

- I will never understand UT's contention on crippling injuries..... they had much more talent than MD in game to make the FF last year. At least going by high school All American credentials..... they made Brenda's team look good..... scored only 48 points the entire game..... and what about the game vs. Gonzaga..... #2 seed TN vs #11 seed Gonzaga..... 6 HSAAs vs 1HSAA. and had to go to overtime to win..... my point being Tenn should be handling these teams without so much difficulty..... my impression is TN fans saw MD as Goliath..... not me

- and regarding Holly personally.....I think that 30 yrs as asst coach next to the best in the business..... one year as acting head coach, and now going into her 4th year on top of all this experience ..... I would have expected more by now from her. especially when her recruiting is good.... again pointing to HSAAs....

As UC fan, I am quite happy she is entrenched in the HC position..... she will not do poorly, her teams will play good defense, and the recruiting train will stop frequently enough in Knoxville..... but head coach is more important in WCBB than any position player, and i fear CHW will not blaze a trail to the NCAA trophy.
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UCONN fans might not be aware of the football coaching situation that Tennessee faced when we fired our longtime football coach, Phillip Fulmer. He had one or two bad years as head coach and most fans were ready for a change. You might wonder what that has to do with Holly and her situation. Well, some Lady Vol fans think we would be in a better situation if we hired a bigger name head coach, but doing that could send the program into a tailspin, especially if we don't hire the right person, which is exactly what happened to the football program. So, with that said, I'm ok with the results of Holly's tenure so far.

To your point about injuries, the Harrison injury was a major blow. If we weren't shooting or rebounding well, we could more than likely count on Harrison to pull us out of a slump. We won a lot of games we shouldn't have because of Harrison. Not to mention losing Mercedes to her injury for the year. When was the last time UCONN had to deal with season injuries to their team's best player?? I don't recall any other than losing KML for a few games. So, I will give Holly a pass for not making the FF4 this past season. Now, if we don't make it to the ff4 this year with the amount of talent we have, and short of any major injuries, then I will find it very hard to explain that or excuse it away like you say..
 
Boxerpups4me said:
Now this I can totally agree with you on. If there was one area where I wish Coach Holly would try to work on would be to be a little more "fierce". Now, I'm not saying she needs to try and copy Coach Summit, but like you say being a bit more dominant and deliberate with her coaching duties. I also think if she came across as more confident and decisive in interviews, then her image outside of Tennessee fans might become a bit more positive..
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I agree about Holly having to be in complete control in order to take the team where you want it to go.
BTW, do you post under a similar monicker -boxerpupsrcool ?
 
rvwsleep said:
I agree about Holly having to be in complete control in order to take the team where you want it to go.
BTW, do you post under a similar monicker -boxerpupsrcool ?
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Yes, I post there on Volnation. I also appreciate the UCONN fans who take the time to post there. They make very interesting observations and cool points..
 
Boxerpups4me said:
UCONN fans might not be aware of the football coaching situation that Tennessee faced when we fired our longtime football coach, Phillip Fulmer. He had one or two bad years as head coach and most fans were ready for a change. You might wonder what that has to do with Holly and her situation. Well, some Lady Vol fans think we would be in a better situation if we hired a bigger name head coach, but doing that could send the program into a tailspin, especially if we don't hire the right person, which is exactly what happened to the football program. So, with that said, I'm ok with the results of Holly's tenure so far.

To your point about injuries, the Harrison injury was a major blow. If we weren't shooting or rebounding well, we could more than likely count on Harrison to pull us out of a slump. We won a lot of games we shouldn't have because of Harrison. Not to mention losing Mercedes to her injury for the year. When was the last time UCONN had to deal with season injuries to their team's best player?? I don't recall any other than losing KML for a few games. So, I will give Holly a pass for not making the FF4 this past season. Now, if we don't make it to the ff4 this year with the amount of talent we have, and short of any major injuries, then I will find it very hard to explain that or excuse it away like you say..
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UCONN also lost Morgan Tuck for most of a season and still went undefeated.
 
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CocoHusky said:
UCONN also lost Morgan Tuck for most of a season and still went undefeated.
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That's true and this past season she played like an All American..Surprised she didn't make that list.However, when she was out that season, UCONN as usual had an embarrassment of riches to easily overcome her absence...Unfortunately, Tennessee didn't have the same luxury..
 
Boxerpups4me said:
I understand your point, and yes Pat was a great coach no question. However her focus was more defense and rebounding vs complicated x's and o's type offense. UCONN fans are more accustomed to really good fluid half court sets, which has worked very well for Geno. Holly, as predicted, believes in that same defense and rebounding mantra, and it's worked for us to the tune of 8 national championships, so I still believe we can win more NC's using that strategy. Now, Holly has to excel in other areas of the coaching spectrum other than just preaching "defense and rebounding win championships". If we get to the final four, we are going to play teams who have excellent coaches, so Holly will have to bring her A game. We will need more than just super talented players to win a NC this season.
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Yes, agreement that super players cannot probably win the whole thing without a solid and competent effort from the coaching staff

I remember Pat, and how she personally willed her teams to win...... quotes like "if you do not start playing like you want it this second half .... you can walk back to Knoxville!!!" She got the results..... yes! And for the record I thought, too, that she was a good X's and o's coach.....
 
Former Indiana coach Bobby Knight said this about Pat. "If I were to pick the three or four coaches who taught the game of basketball. Best in my time in coaching. Pat Summitt would be one of them."
 
Boxerpups4me said:
UCONN fans might not be aware of the football coaching situation that Tennessee faced when we fired our longtime football coach, Phillip Fulmer. He had one or two bad years as head coach and most fans were ready for a change. You might wonder what that has to do with Holly and her situation. Well, some Lady Vol fans think we would be in a better situation if we hired a bigger name head coach, but doing that could send the program into a tailspin, especially if we don't hire the right person, which is exactly what happened to the football program. So, with that said, I'm ok with the results of Holly's tenure so far.

To your point about injuries, the Harrison injury was a major blow. If we weren't shooting or rebounding well, we could more than likely count on Harrison to pull us out of a slump. We won a lot of games we shouldn't have because of Harrison. Not to mention losing Mercedes to her injury for the year. When was the last time UCONN had to deal with season injuries to their team's best player?? I don't recall any other than losing KML for a few games. So, I will give Holly a pass for not making the FF4 this past season. Now, if we don't make it to the ff4 this year with the amount of talent we have, and short of any major injuries, then I will find it very hard to explain that or excuse it away like you say..
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Yes I am very familiar with Philip Fulmer..... Tenn would like to have that one back..... I remember also when Marty Schottenheimer got fired from the Chargers after a 14-2 season..... due to losing in the playoffs..... the person who followed fared no better....

Yeah the reason I mentioned the injuries..... is i hear this frequently from the TN Nation..... and looking at it (I think) objectively.... the players they put on the court still were better players than what their competition puts on the court.... perhaps I am giving TN too much credit..... but they should be beating the teams they are losing to by virtue of fact they had 6 healthy high school All Americans playing for most of last year.... far outnumbering their competition..... your point on Harrison is a good one... and positional play, yes TN was hurt by loss of depth on the front line.....

To your question....we have had our share of injuries over the years which have cost us..... I remember in 2001 with shea ralph and svetlana injured..... no NCAA title that year though we did make the FF.....
 
Boxerpups4me said:
Yes, I post there on Volnation. I also appreciate the UCONN fans who take the time to post there. They make very interesting observations and cool points..
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I never saw that you "liked" my comments :(
 
As I've stated before, TN is not going to make any Final Fours anytime soon! They can have 15 DD's, they're done!
They're at the "Remember when we USED to be great" stage!
Ariel Massengale going into her senior year said "the last 2 seasons the players basically called the plays out on the court and ignored the coaching staff, but this season we trust our coaches more and we'll be running plays as they call them!"
How does Holly Warlick let her players get away with that? She had to know something was fishy!
Can you see MoJeff saying we called our plays out on the court, Geno would roast a player who purposely changed a play he called in a timeout because they didn't TRUST the coaching staff!
Two years ago Holly also made a comment at a post game presser in early January that the reason the defense was a little shaky was the coaching staff hadn't gone over that yet they were concentrating on offense at the time! HUH????????
I hope Holly coaches 38 years as Pat Summitt did!
 
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Boxerpups4me said:
To your point about injuries, the Harrison injury was a major blow. If we weren't shooting or rebounding well, we could more than likely count on Harrison to pull us out of a slump. We won a lot of games we shouldn't have because of Harrison. Not to mention losing Mercedes to her injury for the year. When was the last time UCONN had to deal with season injuries to their team's best player?? I don't recall any other than losing KML for a few games. So, I will give Holly a pass for not making the FF4 this past season. Now, if we don't make it to the ff4 this year with the amount of talent we have, and short of any major injuries, then I will find it very hard to explain that or excuse it away like you say..
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Tenn was a great defensive team last year. UConn was also a great defensive team but also a great offensive team. Four of UConn's starters had had 30 point games while at UConn and each was capable of carrying the offense on any given night. All 5 had to accounted for by their opponents. Half of Tenn's points came from their 3 now-departed seniors. There were too many Tenn players that could be essentially ignored as offensive threats and that will be the case again this year. I understand that LV fans are convinced that DeShields and Russell more than make up for the lost offense. That may well be true but can they make up for the loss of 16 years of experience on the defensive end? And both are coming off injuries that have sidelined them for significant periods over the last year and a half.

As far as UConn losing their best player, they had 6 last year that were at least as good as Harrison. And therein lies the difference between the 2 rosters.
 
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Alydar said:
Tenn was a great defensive team last year. UConn was also a great defensive team but also a great offensive team. Four of UConn's starters had had 30 point games while at UConn and each was capable of carrying the offense on any given night. All 5 had to accounted for by their opponents. Half of Tenn's points came from their 3 now-departed seniors. There were too many Tenn players that could be essentially ignored as offensive threats and that will be the case again this year. I understand that LV fans are convinced that DeShields and Russell more than make up for the lost offense. That may well be true but can they make up for the loss of 16 years of experience on the defensive end? And both are coming off injuries that have sidelined them for significant periods over the last year and a half.

As far as UConn losing their best player, they had 6 last year that were at least as good as Harrison. And therein lies the difference between the 2 rosters.
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Which 6 ?
 
We have already seen a little bit of this year's team. Even though Graves and DeShields didn't play in Italy. I thought the team played well. Having Jones back will help with her defense and athletic ability. Russell looked good and better than her freshman year. Cooper I think will be a big time player. Once the season starts we will know a little more.
 
rvwsleep said:
I assume that Alydar was talking about the starting 5 (Stewie, Tuck, KML, Nurse and Jefferson) plus Stokes.
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Yes. And I have a lot of respect for Harrison and how she played last year. As a matter of fact I also think that Warlick deserved consideration for COY.
 
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Alydar said:
Yes. And I have a lot of respect for Harrison and how she played last year. As a matter of fact I also think that Warlick deserved consideration for COY.
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Wow. Consideration for COY. Coach of the Year? Which year are we talking about.... certainly not last year..... !!! Example of coaching ineffectiveness ...... RSHERMVIKES comments about Ariel and the team not listening to the coaches underlines a big problem here.... I remember also a game last year.... (I wish I could remember the exact game).... TN was getting hit hard in the first half and was down.... during a timeout, the players suggested to CHW that they should be playing zone defense and not the man to man they had started the game with..... the defense was changed and TN came back in the game.....

I still do not understand the platform of success Holly is given credit for.... she has not had a signature win in 4 years in charge of the program.... (please correct me if wrong)_ and if your contention is "well, Holly has done a great job considering injuries" .... the injuries haven't been there in every game...... and yes it is tough taking over for a legend..... but time for Holly to take training wheels off.... and raise the bar if only a little bit. Having said all this, I prefer, as UC fan, that she stays where she is..... and Dave Hart has made sure that will happen
 
Bayareahusky said:
Wow. Consideration for COY. Coach of the Year? Which year are we talking about.... certainly not last year..... !!! Example of coaching ineffectiveness . RSHERMVIKES comments about Ariel and the team not listening to the coaches underlines a big problem here.... I remember also a game last year.... (I wish I could remember the exact game).... TN was getting hit hard in the first half and was down.... during a timeout, the players suggested to CHW that they should be playing zone defense and not the man to man they had started the game with..... the defense was changed and TN came back in the game.....

I still do not understand the platform of success Holly is given credit for.... she has not had a signature win in 4 years in charge of the program.... (please correct me if wrong)_ and if your contention is "well, Holly has done a great job considering injuries" .... the injuries haven't been there in every game. and yes it is tough taking over for a legend..... but time for Holly to take training wheels off.... and raise the bar if only a little bit. Having said all this, I prefer, as UC fan, that she stays where she is..... and Dave Hart has made sure that will happen
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My comment is based on her taking her team to the E8 after losing her best scorer and rebounder late in the season. Up until last year I had questioned her ability to inspire. Tenn did more with less last year. I give the credit to the head coach. I didn't say she should have won the COY, only that she deserved consideration.
 
Alydar I understand your thoughts..... where i am coming from..... and i do not want to sound like a broken record.... but the explanation about the injuries..... she went into the Maryland game with 6 healthy McDonalds All Americans at her disposal.... Maryland had 3. I just do not see how TN was in such an uphill fight vs the Terps.... Earlier this thread I had cited an example of her calling for only a 3 point shot with a minute to go in that game and down by 3.... foregoing a simple 2 point gimme..... that is not adept coaching in my opinion..... it should be score points and then stop the opposition or stop the clock. . again i am not bashing her, but have yet to see any bonafides in her 4 year head coaching stint.....
 
Bayareahusky said:
Alydar I understand your thoughts..... where i am coming from..... and i do not want to sound like a broken record.... but the explanation about the injuries..... she went into the Maryland game with 6 healthy McDonalds All Americans at her disposal.... Maryland had 3. I just do not see how TN was in such an uphill fight vs the Terps.... Earlier this thread I had cited an example of her calling for only a 3 point shot with a minute to go in that game and down by 3.... foregoing a simple 2 point gimme..... that is not adept coaching in my opinion..... it should be score points and then stop the opposition or stop the clock. . again i am not bashing her, but have yet to see any bonafides in her 4 year head coaching stint.....
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You are correct we had more McD's AA vs the Terps...but none of them could fully guard the bigs that the Terps had by themselves because we really didn't have any bigs that were available to play besides Graves who is not that big. Burdick, while having some size, is really not a big. Thus, it made UT double much more often with our guards helping out way too much, leaving a shooter open for the Terps. I'm making no excuses for the loss...IMO we still should have won but to say we were the CLEAR favorite is a bit of a stretch. It doesn't matter how many AA's you have when a lot of them are trying to play out of position.
 
Alydar,,,,, well said and I am in agreement with you .... that positionally UT was at a disadvantage due to injuries......

Overall I am less sympathetic.... i.e. I have always thought that Holly and her staff could squeeze much more juice out of the orange, so to speak.
 
DaddyChoc said:
I never saw that you "liked" my comments :(
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Wait a sec choc, I have liked your comments as well as ucmiami. I also defended you on volnation when some of the posters were being ugly to you and ucmiami.
 
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Choc, awhile back you started a thread on volnation called "not a word about the 50 point blow out", which was referencing uconn's dominant performance over texas. I defended you against posters who attacked your post with this reply:

"I didn't think daddychocs post was rubbing anything in. What uconn did to Texas was a first in sweet 16 history. Quite an achievement. Besides, he congratulated us on our comeback win and it was sincere. I've followed his posts over on the boneyard and I've never seen him/her take pot shots at our program.

I just wonder how we would be able to hang with uconn other than wishing they have a bad shooting night. I was thinking maybe if they slow it down, WAY down and use almost the whole shot clock on each possession."
 
And if others from the boneyard have posted recently on volnation, I really haven't been on there recently..I'm just now starting to get back into the swing of things in relation to WCBB
 
VFLfan said:
You are correct we had more McD's AA vs the Terps...but none of them could fully guard the bigs that the Terps had by themselves because we really didn't have any bigs that were available to play besides Graves who is not that big. Burdick, while having some size, is really not a big. Thus, it made UT double much more often with our guards helping out way too much, leaving a shooter open for the Terps. I'm making no excuses for the loss...IMO we still should have won but to say we were the CLEAR favorite is a bit of a stretch. It doesn't matter how many AA's you have when a lot of them are trying to play out of position.
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L. Brown killed us with those 2nd half wide open three's
 
L. Brown killed us with those 2nd half wide open three's
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Tenn's defensive strength was their press and halfcourt traps. Those work well against lesser teams but by the time the E8 rolls around the teams left have too much talent for those tactics. Tenn was forced to compromise their perimeter defense in order to help in the paint. Brown made them pay. That's what elite teams do.
 
Boxerpups4me said:
Wait a sec choc, I have liked your comments as well as ucmiami. I also defended you on volnation when some of the posters were being ugly to you and ucmiami.
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I was joking, I could care less about "likes" etc. or what anyone post. I dont track comments on any board... you're cool in my book, stick around
 
Boxerpups4me said:
And if others from the boneyard have posted recently on volnation, I really haven't been on there recently..I'm just now starting to get back into the swing of things in relation to WCBB
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From what I've heard, UConn fans, unless they are willing to praise the Lady Vols, aren't tolerated on Volnation. I do know of one poster on Volnation that was permanently banned with no warning, for defending UConn against nasty anti UConn comments. So, you're probably not going to see a lot of UConn visitors posting over there.

I am surprised that "armchair" is tolerated, as he often dampens the enthusiasm on VN.
 
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