Fair enough. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him truly explain his position.
Fair enough. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him truly explain his position.
oh come on, guys. We're talking about Quinnipiac, Stony Brook, New Hampshire...
oh come on, guys. We're talking about Quinnipiac, Stony Brook, New Hampshire...
The media is making Manuel look incompetent. Katz, Vitale and just about every talking head is taking mild shots at Manuel and supporting Ollie along with the coaching community.He either has to get a contract worked out NOW with Ollie or hire somebody else but doing nothing is making him look stupid.
I think you are extrapolating his words and/or actions way too much. He has said from the start that he needs to see him in action as a head coach. Obviously that implies that he is "looking for something" to prove that, yes, he is head coach material. But that doesn't mean he lacks confidence in Ollie or is questioning his ability. To say he doesn't know is not the same as he thinks he isn't good enough. We all have to show that we deserve our paychecks. I don't take my annual review as an insult or lack of confidence just as I don't take interviews as some sort of statment about what people think of my abilities. We all deal with "show me" requirements in life and especially if we have never done the job before.
Manuel has reponsibilities. Obviously we don't all agree but I happen to think it was a responsible thing to not turn the program over to an unproven head coach and give him a long term contract. He was the best choice given the circumstances and we all (except maybe freescooter) hope he has what it takes to be a great head coach. Once he shows it, then Manuel can give him a long term contract without worrying that it is irresponsible to do so. Remember, it costs money to buy out a coach when you fire him. To set up a university with limited and shrinking funding to have to do so by hiring an unproven coach and giving him a long term contract is seen by many as irresponsible. Once Ollie has had enough time to prove himself, it will could no longer be viewed as irresponsible to extend him.
We could disagree on some of these points but to say that what Manuel has done is stupid or crazy is just not rational. Just because you think there might have been a better way to go about it doesn't make his decision crazy enough to warrant crucifying the guy daily.
... and you don't think JC is behind this??? To cave now would make WM look weaker than most on this board already thinks he is. Just because the noise gets louder - it doesn't mean he has to jump up to turn the volume down. If he blows past February with action - have @ it.
I don't really care if Manuel looks like Charles Atlas at the beach when he was a kid. Makes no difference to me.
We could well end up there but it has absolutely zero to do with Kevin Ollie's contract. It has to do with the fact that we're being left to fend for ourselves in the Big Mess. Look,Calhoun has to bear some responsibility for this too. I know you will deny it, and have some nonsense about APR and all the rest, but UConn is cleaning up the mess that was created on his watch. Probation. Loss of scholarships. Negative national perception. Kevin Ollie's one year deal. every single one of those things came about because of something Jim Calhoun did or didn't do. Every one. And our being left behind by the ACC, he contributed to that, too. In reality, if Calhoun had been almost any other coach, he'd have been fired back about 4 years ago for the things that happened on his watch. Even if he had survived the Nate Miles and other scandals, the APR thing would have finished him. Only at UConn does he go out a hero, then on top of that gets to name his replacement, then publicly undercuts him with bs about returning to coaching...Jim, you did grand things. now grab the clubs, drive down to Hilton head and send a postcard every now and then.We'll never agree. I've said this countless times, it's pennywise and pound foolish to worry about a 3 year contract at the same rate.
In my estimation, Manuel is doing long-term damage to UConn basketball right now as we speak.
The streets are littered with Arkansases, Houstons, UNLVs, and such programs that were bball powerhouses in the last three decades. UConn has natural advantages over all three--but these schools haven't even been part of the conversation in recent years.
If talent was the only thing that impacted the outcome of games, NC State beats us by 30 last night.
We could well end up there but it has absolutely zero to do with Kevin Ollie's contract. It has to do with the fact that we're being left to fend for ourselves in the Big Mess. Look,Calhoun has to bear some responsibility for this too. I know you will deny it, and have some nonsense about APR and all the rest, but UConn is cleaning up the mess that was created on his watch. Probation. Loss of scholarships. Negative national perception. Kevin Ollie's one year deal. every single one of those things came about because of something Jim Calhoun did or didn't do. Every one. And our being left behind by the ACC, he contributed to that, too. In reality, if Calhoun had been almost any other coach, he'd have been fired back about 4 years ago for the things that happened on his watch. Even if he had survived the Nate Miles and other scandals, the APR thing would have finished him. Only at UConn does he go out a hero, then on top of that gets to name his replacement, then publicly undercuts him with bs about returning to coaching...Jim, you did grand things. now grab the clubs, drive down to Hilton head and send a postcard every now and then.
Proves my point...Bull****
Try answering the question instead of attacking me. You keep saying you see all these positives, then can't answer a simple question like what are they.
Proves my point...
And we're banned. We were on probation before. big difference.Louisville is on APR probation. It really hurt them. Hard to do for football, since in bball, 2 kids leaving ding your school. In football, it takes multiples. What a mess Louisville is in.
No. Being in the Big East, at least the "old" Big East is actually what separates us from UMass and UNH. Calhoun is what separates us from posers and wannabe programs like Villanova and St Johns and DePaul. Calhoun is what he is, but what he accomplished allowed him to get away with a huge amount of damage to the program and never be held accountable for it.Calhoun & Auriemma is what separates us from UMASS & UNH. To ding him for "presumed" deficiencies from the view of the ACC ... is to ignore the story that we all know. We are fortunate to be with this University. If we needed to whitewash Calhoun for their application ... I would say frig YOU. We are better than most of those Universities with a better future.
And we're banned. We were on probation before. big difference.
No. Being in the Big East, at least the "old" Big East is actually what separates us from UMass and UNH. Calhoun is what separates us from posers and wannabe programs like Villanova and St Johns and DePaul. Calhoun is what he is, but what he accomplished allowed him to get away with a huge amount of damage to the program and never be held accountable for it.
Louisville is on APR probation. It really hurt them. Hard to do for football, since in bball, 2 kids leaving ding your school. In football, it takes multiples. What a mess Louisville is in.
They weren't secondary violations. they were major. We got long term probation, we lost scholarships. We lost recruiting time, and Calhoun was personally dinged and suspended for 3 games. I believe we are still on probation(through 2014 I think) for those violations and we might even still be down a scholarship I thought we 1 each year for 3 years, though I could be confusing that with the APR) because of them. In any case, some if not all of the difficulties with THIS YEAR'S team can be traced back directly to Calhoun and things that happened on his watch. many coaches would have been fired, most would have been fired when the APR mess followed the recruiting mess. Calhoun might be the only one who would have been allowed to name his successor and leave to as a hero after that.The APR problems were already corrected by the time we were punished for it. We had a specific group of players who didn't perform up to snuff academically, with various excuses for some of them, some good and some bad (AJ Price - only in school seven semesters after a medical withdrawal, Sticks - only in school seven semesters, Nate Miles - only in school seven weeks, Gavin - thought he was a pro and didn't finish his last 8-12 credits, Mandeldove - train wreck, Darius Smith - couldn't hack it in the classroom, clear recruiting mistake). The bad APR years basically stem from the recruiting class in 2007, sprinkled with a couple other mistakes afterward (Miles, Smith). We had to replenish our whole roster that year after the '06 exodus - so it was a unique recruiting year in terms of needing a lot of numbers fo fill our roster, and we missed some of our top targets early on (Ellington, Henderson, Durant). The group we did finally bring in pretty much didn't get it done across the board APR-wise - with only Dyson making it through all four years and graduating (and Thabeet leaving early). It clearly was a bad couple of years for academic progress.
By the time we got around to winning a national title, though, we had revamped our roster and were led by a guy who virtually graduated in 3 years, a big man (now at Missouri) who had above a 3.0 GPA, a JuCo big man who graduated, a four-year reserve guard who graduated, and a batch of freshmen who took care of business in the classroom from day one. Hence a 979 APR, with only Jamal Coombs-McDaniel costing us some points by transferring with less than the minimum GPA.
Nate Miles, sure - that's a legitimate blight on Calhoun's resume, but plenty of head coaches have stayed on board after secondary recruiting violations - even ones who haven't won multiple national titles.
None of this made one whit of difference for conference expansion. Expansion is about the future, television markets, and football, and Louisville had the worst football APR in the entire country last year.
The APR problems were already corrected by the time we were punished for it. We had a specific group of players who didn't perform up to snuff academically, with various excuses for some of them, some good and some bad (AJ Price - only in school seven semesters after a medical withdrawal, Sticks - only in school seven semesters, Nate Miles - only in school seven weeks, Gavin - thought he was a pro and didn't finish his last 8-12 credits, Mandeldove - train wreck, Darius Smith - couldn't hack it in the classroom, clear recruiting mistake). The bad APR years basically stem from the recruiting class in 2007, sprinkled with a couple other mistakes afterward (Miles, Smith). We had to replenish our whole roster that year after the '06 exodus - so it was a unique recruiting year in terms of needing a lot of numbers fo fill our roster, and we missed some of our top targets early on (Ellington, Henderson, Durant). The group we did finally bring in pretty much didn't get it done across the board APR-wise - with only Dyson making it through all four years and graduating (and Thabeet leaving early). It clearly was a bad couple of years for academic progress.
By the time we got around to winning a national title, though, we had revamped our roster and were led by a guy who virtually graduated in 3 years, a big man (now at Missouri) who had above a 3.0 GPA, a JuCo big man who graduated, a four-year reserve guard who graduated, and a batch of freshmen who took care of business in the classroom from day one. Hence a 979 APR, with only Jamal Coombs-McDaniel costing us some points by transferring with less than the minimum GPA.
Nate Miles, sure - that's a legitimate blight on Calhoun's resume, but plenty of head coaches have stayed on board after secondary recruiting violations - even ones who haven't won multiple national titles.
None of this made one whit of difference for conference expansion. Expansion is about the future, television markets, and football, and Louisville had the worst football APR in the entire country last year.
They weren't secondary violations. they were major. We got long term probation, we lost scholarships. We lost recruiting time, and Calhoun was personally dinged and suspended for 3 games. I believe we are still on probation(through 2014 I think) for those violations and we might even still be down a scholarship I thought we 1 each year for 3 years, though I could be confusing that with the APR) because of them. In any case, some if not all of the difficulties with THIS YEAR'S team can be traced back directly to Calhoun and things that happened on his watch. many coaches would have been fired, most would have been fired when the APR mess followed the recruiting mess. Calhoun might be the only one who would have been allowed to name his successor and leave to as a hero after that.
They weren't secondary violations. they were major. We got long term probation, we lost scholarships. We lost recruiting time, and Calhoun was personally dinged and suspended for 3 games. I believe we are still on probation(through 2014 I think) for those violations and we might even still be down a scholarship I thought we 1 each year for 3 years, though I could be confusing that with the APR) because of them. In any case, some if not all of the difficulties with THIS YEAR'S team can be traced back directly to Calhoun and things that happened on his watch. many coaches would have been fired, most would have been fired when the APR mess followed the recruiting mess. Calhoun might be the only one who would have been allowed to name his successor and leave to as a hero after that.
I agree with your general point, but... no sure Miles counted against the APR. It would create a perverse incentive to keep kids if he did count.
They weren't secondary violations. they were major. We got long term probation, we lost scholarships. We lost recruiting time, and Calhoun was personally dinged and suspended for 3 games. I believe we are still on probation(through 2014 I think) for those violations and we might even still be down a scholarship I thought we 1 each year for 3 years, though I could be confusing that with the APR) because of them. In any case, some if not all of the difficulties with THIS YEAR'S team can be traced back directly to Calhoun and things that happened on his watch. many coaches would have been fired, most would have been fired when the APR mess followed the recruiting mess. Calhoun might be the only one who would have been allowed to name his successor and leave to as a hero after that.
This program devotes significant resources to its men's basketball program and recruits student-athletes of the highest talent levels. One such recruit was the prospect, one of the top high school prospects in the class ofv2008 and a prospective student-athlete coveted by the institution. Of the prospect's recruitment, the director of athletics stated "it was the most intense I've ever seen [the head coach] about the recruitment of any particular student-athlete." In his zeal to get the prospect admitted to the institution and eligible to compete, the head coach acquiesced in the representative's involvement in the process and overlooked indications that the representative might be involved in NCAA rules violations. In doing so, he failed to set the proper atmosphere for rules compliance in the men's basketball program. The head coach also failed to monitor the men's basketball staff.
The institution's coaches did not question the representative's relationship with the prospect or report it to the institution's athletics administration until November 2007, over a year after the institution's recruitment of the prospect had begun.
On May 5, 2008, the former operations director e-mailed the compliance director, asking if she had sent a Buckley Amendment form regarding the prospect's records. Fifteen minutes after receiving the e-mail, the compliance director responded that the former operations director should "[d]ownload the application and just have [the prospect] fill out the Buckley page and fax it back." While this directive necessitated that the former operations director contact the prospect directly, it did not tell him to make a telephone call to the young man. A letter to the prospect with directions to fill out the form and fax it back would have easily taken care of the task. It was not necessary for the former operations director to phone the young man to get the paperwork signed.
The former associate head coach specifically told the head coach that the representative kept in contact with the prospect, and the head coach later spoke to the young man about the representative, telling him "be careful who you hang around with." At the hearing, the head coach stated he called the prospect "to warn him about [the representative]. I told him the Connecticut staff is the only one who has his best interest at heart." Yet, in spite of feeling the need to warn the prospect, neither the head coach nor any member of his staff discussed the matter with the athletics administration or inquired into the relationship between the representative and the prospect.
As this committee stated in the case of Indiana University, Bloomington, Case No. M285 (2008), Bylaw 11.1.2.1 places a specific and independent monitoring obligation on head coaches. The head coach in this case did not demonstrate sufficient monitoring of his staff's activities regarding the prospect and the representative. Therefore, the head coach failed to meet his obligation under Bylaw 11.1.2.1.
ALLEGATION OF MAJOR VIOLATION NOT FOUND BY THE COMMITTEE.
The enforcement staff alleged that the former assistant coach violated the principles of ethical conduct by providing false and misleading information to the staff in interviews held during the investigation. The allegedly false statements were made regarding the former assistant coach's knowledge of how the prospect's learning-disabled evaluation was set up and his involvement in arranging the evaluation. This line of inquiry was significant because it raised the possibility of the prospect receiving an impermissible inducement.
I'm pretty sure he did count - as a scholarship guy who left with no credits through his own mis-deeds - but I won't stake my Boneyard reputation on it. I could be mis-remembering.
There are a lot of perverse incentives in the rules these days - a lot of schools are denying transfer waivers to student-athletes who don't have a 2.6 to avoid the APR ding. In theory, some of those student-athletes could be struggling academically and looking for a less-difficult college, and find themselves forced to stay at a school they are struggling at.
NCAA:
Of the prospect's recruitment, the director of athletics stated "it was the most intense I've ever seen [the head coach] about the recruitment of any particular student-athlete."