Victory Formation

[Jerry27]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't on the pass play!
look on the bright side...be happy that with a 24 point lead at the half that they didn't go into the victory formation at the stasrt of the second half!

 

[ZooCougar]

Run the ball three times, make them use their time outs, kick the field goal, game over.

The only way Pitt gets back in the game is with a fumble or an interception. Our QB had thrown 13 interceptions on the season. run the ball, kick the field goal, end the game.

it's mind boggling that a former NFL coach and the winningest head coach in big east history can't add up the seconds on the play clock for a rew plays, convert the minutes on the clock to seconds, subtract the former from the latter, and realize he only needs to take a couple knees to end the game.

These guys blow my mind. They get conservative when they should be laying on the hurt, they get aggressive when what really need is to kill the clock. At that point in the game you are almost better off burning time than scoring. If you score to soon then you leave time for the other team to score a quick TD, and onside kick and then you are really sweating.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

These guys blow my mind. They get conservative when they should be laying on the hurt, they get aggressive when what really need is to kill the clock. At that point in the game you are almost better off burning time than scoring. If you score to soon then you leave time for the other team to score a quick TD, and onside kick and then you are really sweating.

Sad state of affairs when people are ok with them being aggressive under any circumstances just for the sake of being aggressive. These guys are lost. Still think back to the end of the half against RU with astonishment.

 

[ZooCougar]

Sad state of affairs when people are ok with them being aggressive under any circumstances just for the sake of being aggressive. These guys are lost. Still think back to the end of the half against RU with astonishment.

This is where the coaching/decision making bit takes precedence over player execution.

It's gets hard for athletes of any ability to compete and deliver at an elite level, when the decision makers (coaches) are putting them in difficult positions.

When you insist on running Wildcat plays that only work 10% of the time on second down, it's not Chandler Whitmer's fault that he faces third and long so often.

 

[emshorts]

http://www.theuconnblog.com/2012/11/14/3645298/uconn-failure-kneel-end-of-game-pasqualoni

 

[Husky25]

I’m in the boat where this issue has run its course. So to recap...

1) The pass play, resulting in an interception in the end zone was a solidly aggressive call, but poorly executed.
1a) The result of said pass play call has raised into question whether the call should have been a run play (discounting that equally poor execution could have also resulted in a turnover).
2) The two run calls prior to the Victory Formation were poor decisions given the circumstances, reinforcing other poor clock management situations and overall game management by this coaching staff, in general.
3) Given a number of factors, most on this board want a change, in part or in the entirety, in the current football regime.
3a) If not, some will choose to spend their entertainment dollar elsewhere.
4) UConn won, which is no doubt a positive, but the ends do not justify the means.
5) Opinions of the beat writers from the Hartford Courant and Manchester Journal-Inquirer are the opposite of everything stated hereto.
5a) Not many, if any, on this board agree with the aforementioned beat writers’ opinions.

Does that about sum it up?

 

[CodyJ.]

I’m in the boat where this issue has run its course. So to recap...

1) The pass play, resulting in an interception in the end zone was a solidly aggressive call, but poorly executed.
1a) The result of said pass play call has raised into question whether the call should have been a run play (discounting that equally poor execution could have also resulted in a turnover).
2) The two run calls prior to the Victory Formation were poor decisions given the circumstances, reinforcing other poor clock management situations and overall game management by this coaching staff, in general.
3) Given a number of factors, most on this board want a change, in part or in the entirety, in the current football regime.
3a) If not, some will choose to spend their entertainment dollar elsewhere.
4) UConn won, which is no doubt a positive, but the ends do not justify the means.
5) Opinions of the beat writers from the Hartford Courant and Manchester Journal-Inquirer are the opposite of everything stated hereto.
5a) Not many, if any, on this board agree with the aforementioned beat writers’ opinions.

Does that about sum it up?

yep

 

[Palatine]

While sitting in the stands watching that play unfold, my initial thought was " NO, NO, don't throw, for the same reasons you state, but right after it was picked off my next thought was " Well I'll be damned, this coaching staff actually sprouted a pair. so all in all, I was fine with the pass.

Why can't a coaching staff be smart and have balls? Why does our staff have to be stupid and have balls at exactly the wrong time?

 

[huskymedic]

Trust me, if Alabama or LSU ended a win the way PP did Friday it would be defcon 1,000,000 on Finebaum the following Monday. Snide cracks from horde dismissing legitimate, ongoing clock management issues aren't cool either.

You are aware of the Mad Hatters reputation for poor clock management right?

 

[Jerry27]

You are aware of the Mad Hatters reputation for poor clock management right?

You might want to explain that the Mad Hatter is Les Miles and has had multiple time management brain farts.

 

[Dann]

I’m in the boat where this issue has run its course. So to recap...

1) The pass play, resulting in an interception in the end zone was a solidly aggressive call, but poorly executed.
1a) The result of said pass play call has raised into question whether the call should have been a run play (discounting that equally poor execution could have also resulted in a turnover).
2) The two run calls prior to the Victory Formation were poor decisions given the circumstances, reinforcing other poor clock management situations and overall game management by this coaching staff, in general.
3) Given a number of factors, most on this board want a change, in part or in the entirety, in the current football regime.
3a) If not, some will choose to spend their entertainment dollar elsewhere.
4) UConn won, which is no doubt a positive, but the ends do not justify the means.
5) Opinions of the beat writers from the Hartford Courant and Manchester Journal-Inquirer are the opposite of everything stated hereto.
5a) Not many, if any, on this board agree with the aforementioned beat writers’ opinions.

Does that about sum it up?

5b) Some here are calling for the Hartford Courant to either find new beat writers or stop beat writing as they are embarasing themselves, the school and this state to the national college football scene.

 

[Adesmar123]

Let me sum up the summary...

PP is not a good coach if he doesn't go the UConn athletic leadership puts the football program and donations at risk.

PP by not going into V formation put the game at risk but they won anyway

Its time for Des to stop defending him for a play call that was obviously wrong even in the eyes of a rookie fan

 

[ZooCougar]

Let me sum up the summary...

PP is not a good coach if he doesn't go the UConn athletic leadership puts the football program and donations at risk.

PP by not going into V formation put the game at risk but they won anyway

Its time for Des to stop defending him for a play call that was obviously wrong even in the eyes of a rookie fan

Nope.

He's demonstrated a consistent lack of judgement and ability to manage the clock. It doesn't matter if we won, he'll do this again someday and we will lose. Unacceptable.

Desmond Conner's coverage is disconnected from reality. John Silver's coverage is unrestricted apologia.

 

[Husky25]

5b) Some here are calling for the Hartford Courant to either find new beat writers or stop beat writing as they are embarasing themselves, the school and this state to the national college football scene.

I have no problem with Messrs. Conner and Silver stating their opinions and I don't necessarily agree that they should be reassigned or lose their jobs. What I didn't like was how they were plainly dismissive of their readership merely because the Huskies finally won a game. Journalists' credentials don't mean one is more informed about the sport in general.

I would have preferred an answer like, "I didn't have a problem with the play calling at the time, but I see your point. I don't agree, but it's valid". Instead we got, " They won, it doesn't matter."

The thing of it is, people sending in questions are anonymous or may go by different names. (I have a different name here than on the Courant). They don't know if they are talking to HuskyfanDan or Bill Parcells...or BOTH. You would think that alone would afford reciprocal respect...

 

[Dann]

I have no problem with Messrs. Conner and Silver stating their opinions and I don't necessarily agree that they should be reassigned or lose their jobs. What I didn't like was how they were plainly dismissive of their readership merely because the Huskies finally won a game. Journalists' credentials don't mean one is more informed about the sport in general.

I would have preferred an answer like, "I didn't have a problem with the play calling at the time, but I see your point. I don't agree, but it's valid". Instead we got, " They won, it doesn't matter."

The thing of it is, people sending in questions are anonymous or may go by different names. (I have a different name here than on the Courant). They don't know if they are talking to HuskyfanDan or Bill Parcells...or BOTH. You would think that alone would afford reciprocal respect...

#FIREEVERYONE

 

[Carl Spackler]

You know whatss really funny to me at least, is that I didnt even know they didnt kneel on it to the next day. I was walking up the stairs and out w my group as soon as we were done cheering the first dow, bc the game was over. We won, those next plays were meaningless. The game was won, they practiced a handoff. Big deal. There are other clock issues to focus on that actually matter in DETERMINING THE OUTCOME of games rather than running a RB dive vs, a QB kneel when the game is already won. You all are quite funny about this, media and uconn crazies alike.

 

[Carl Spackler]

You know whatss really funny to me at least, is that I didnt even know they didnt kneel on it to the next day. I was walking up the stairs and out w my group as soon as we were done cheering the first dow, bc the game was over. We won, those next plays were meaningless. The game was won, they practiced a handoff. Big deal. There are other clock issues to focus on that actually matter in DETERMINING THE OUTCOME of games rather than running a RB dive vs, a QB kneel when the game is already won. You all are quite funny about this, media and uconn crazies alike.

 

[mattp]

5b) Some here are calling for the Hartford Courant to either find new beat writers or stop beat writing as they are embarasing themselves, the school and this state to the national college football scene.

If you're embarrassed due to our beat writers you really need to grow a thicker skin. If you think a single entity on "the national football scene" gives a crap about our beat reporters I think you're suffering from what Han Solo would call delusions of grandeur

 

[mattp]

You know whatss really funny to me at least, is that I didnt even know they didnt kneel on it to the next day. I was walking up the stairs and out w my group as soon as we were done cheering the first dow, bc the game was over. We won, those next plays were meaningless. The game was won, they practiced a handoff. Big deal. There are other clock issues to focus on that actually matter in DETERMINING THE OUTCOME of games rather than running a RB dive vs, a QB kneel when the game is already won. You all are quite funny about this, media and uconn crazies alike.

The game wasn't won, there was time on the clock. Just because you left your seat doesn't mean the game is over. If they fumbled the hand off or fumbled on the run while you were walking up those stairs we could have lost and the plays wouldn't have been quite so meaningless.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Game was over. Running the clock down was a formality. Doea anyone really believe the coaches didnt know that? There are plenty of game time decisions regarding clock, momentim, timeouts that are questionable. I personally dont care if youhave the qb or the rb fall on it. I do care that for instance, you are playing field position and D in a game up by four scores, and are punting with 25 seconds on the play clock, and the game clock running. Enough said.

 

[Husky25]

Apparently this thread HASN'T run its course...

With everytime the ball changes hands, there is risk of a turnover. By handing off you are just increasing that chance. Nothing you can do about the snap. Game rules state that the ball must change hand to start every play. The point, in this instance, is the coaches managed the situation in such a way that they doubled the chance of a mistake. There is no harm, nor foul in fans calling out a mistake prone coaching staff with one more mistake.

That really isn't the issue at this point anyway. The issue has now become the manner in which each side of the case has been argued over the last 4 days. one one side, it's ends justifies the means. They won get over it. Period.

On the other, Its yes they won and it'll be enjoyed in due time, but admit the staff may have made a mistake.

Much like in the Cesspool, I don't see either side backing down...

 

[huskymedic]

Apparently this thread HASN'T run its course...

With everytime the ball changes hands, there is risk of a turnover. By handing off you are just increasing that chance. Nothing you can do about the snap. Game rules state that the ball must change hand to start every play. The point, in this instance, is the coaches managed the situation in such a way that they doubled the chance of a mistake. There is no harm, nor foul in fans calling out a mistake prone coaching staff with one more mistake.

That really isn't the issue at this point anyway. The issue has now become the manner in which each side of the case has been argued over the last 4 days. one one side, it's ends justifies the means. They won get over it. Period.

On the other, Its yes they won and it'll be enjoyed in due time, but admit the staff may have made a mistake.

Much like in the Cesspool, I don't see either side backing down...

So if Des, John, the AP, Sports illustrated whoever, admitted the staff made a mistake - what difference does it make? That's the only piece i still can't rationalize.

 

[BlueMAB]

You know whatss really funny to me at least, is that I didnt even know they didnt kneel on it to the next day. I was walking up the stairs and out w my group as soon as we were done cheering the first dow, bc the game was over. We won, those next plays were meaningless. The game was won, they practiced a handoff. Big deal. There are other clock issues to focus on that actually matter in DETERMINING THE OUTCOME of games rather than running a RB dive vs, a QB kneel when the game is already won. You all are quite funny about this, media and uconn crazies alike.

That's weak.

I was standing and applauding the players as they went over by the band to sing the fight song and then walked off the field.

 

[Husky25]

So if Des, John, the AP, Sports illustrated whoever, admitted the staff made a mistake - what difference does it make? That's the only piece i still can't rationalize.

The short answer is none on my part...I's just conversation.

For some, I think it's too late now. The manner in which the line in the sand was drawn and the unnecessary combative tone this whole thing took on provides little room for reconciliation on this issue.

 

[joey3$trike$]

My main problem is all the botched snaps, snaps over the head, fumblitis, turnover prone team we have seen this year. So when I see a hand-off to the rb, when there is no need to I cringe. Especially after all the blunders we've seen the last month and a half. Think there's a saying it aint over to the fat lady sings right. Secure the Victory, work smarter- not harder.

 

[Srqhusky]

Victory formation should be illegal period!!

 

[Dougsts]

Why can't a coaching staff be smart and have balls? Why does our staff have to be stupid and have balls at exactly the wrong time?

They could, in theory, have both I just haven't seen much of those two traits on display at the same time this season.

 

[ruskin]

For the second year in a row our coaches can't even figure out when to take a freaking knee. Most basic thing a coach is expected to do. LM said he fell on the ball on purpose. Let's say that CW is thinking the same thing as he goes back and says screw it I'm not handing it off (think Piscarcik to Csonka). While falling on top of each other BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH AD LIBBING BECAUSE THE COACHES ARE CLUELESS the ball squirts loose.
Thank god these guys aren't air traffic controllers, where a near-miss is a lot more serious.

 

[Carl Spackler]

That's weak.

I was standing and applauding the players as they went over by the band to sing the fight song and then walked off the field.

As I noted the other day, when I wrote the same thing talking about this nonsense. My ass was cold, and I had to take a leak, and I wasn't alone. I had no idea they didn't kneel on it till the next day. I knew they ran the clock out and I clapped my hands and cheered as I was headed toward the men's room door. I have no idea how old you are, but the guys with me, my age, that had as much food and drink as we had, all were praying for the game to end, so we could hit the head. It was late, it was cold, I was happy for a win, and I had to take a piss, and the game was over as far as we were concerned. I'm not one of the people around here who have ever bitched and moaned about people being in their seats, and all that crap. You buy the tickets, you are free to do what you want. I know many, many people, the names you would most surely recognize, that would surprise you, that hang around the non-parking pass lots across the street for the games, and usually around second quarter, are like - "hey, maybe we should go in." I applaud fans that are always in their seats at the beginning and stay to the end. For the most part, my group is usually one of them and we were in our seats for kickoff last Friday night. So if you want to beat me up, for being happy to have reason to get up and start hustling to the head, when #10 completed that last ball to #8 for the first down, go ahead have at it. If the offense had somehow managed to botch up running out the clock, there would be somethign to talk about here. They didn't. The rest of this is people talking that just don't like how Pasqualoni has led this program to what 9-13 now in two years? As noted, there are plenty, plenty other clock and game time decision issues that could use some improvement, this just isn't one I'm concerned about. If they're going to hand it off and let the RB fall on it to end a game that's already been won, that's fine by me. Just do it.

 

[BlueMAB]

As I noted the other day, when I wrote the same thing talking about this nonsense. My ass was cold, and I had to take a leak, and I wasn't alone. I had no idea they didn't kneel on it till the next day. I knew they ran the clock out and I clapped my hands and cheered as I was headed toward the men's room door. I have no idea how old you are, but the guys with me, my age, that had as much food and drink as we had, all were praying for the game to end, so we could hit the head. It was late, it was cold, I was happy for a win, and I had to take a piss, and the game was over as far as we were concerned. I'm not one of the people around here who have ever bitched and moaned about people being in their seats, and all that crap. You buy the tickets, you are free to do what you want. I know many, many people, the names you would most surely recognize, that would surprise you, that hang around the non-parking pass lots across the street for the games, and usually around second quarter, are like - "hey, maybe we should go in." I applaud fans that are always in their seats at the beginning and stay to the end. For the most part, my group is usually one of them and we were in our seats for kickoff last Friday night. So if you want to beat me up, for being happy to have reason to get up and start hustling to the head, when #10 completed that last ball to #8 for the first down, go ahead have at it. If the offense had somehow managed to botch up running out the clock, there would be somethign to talk about here. They didn't. The rest of this is people talking that just don't like how Pasqualoni has led this program to what 9-13 now in two years? As noted, there are plenty, plenty other clock and game time decision issues that could use some improvement, this just isn't one I'm concerned about. If they're going to hand it off and let the RB fall on it to end a game that's already been won, that's fine by me. Just do it.

I was just kidding. Should have put a smiley face on there. My bad.