Very Early Draft Question

[tnvolfan65]

Also, Tulsa is not going to get an Augustus, DT, or Cappie for Cambage. Players like Wiggins or Wright or KT or Beard would be more likely. But then you're giving a team like or L.A. a counter to your best player.

Maybe a team like Indy or Connecticut would be willing to take a bigger risk on Cmabage in order to shake things up and you can get a solid 2-for-1 deal, but Cambage has huge upside and I think Tulsa would regret it later.

 

[doggydaddy]

Tulsa has a strong trio of guards in Johnson, Williams, and Latta. Good wings are a dime a dozen. Johnson/Lacy/Pederson could still play the four with Griner/Cambage if the "experiment" doesn't work, and would probably see minutes anyways. It's not like they're going to play 40 minutes together.

And you can always trade Cambage later. But why give away one of two 6'8" centers in the league when you can have both of them at the same time? Like I said, the league has never seen a player like Griner before and the world has never seen a post combination like the two of them together. Nolan Richardson didn't utilize Cambage enough and she's young but they have the potential to dominate.

Griner is going to demand (by her skill level) 30-35 minutes a game. Camage needs starter minutes as well.

If you wait to trade her because it didn't work out, her value will not be as much as before and you can probably get a significant player in return. Like you said, there are only two 6'8" centers so Cambage will be in big demand.

 

[tnvolfan65]

Griner is going to demand (by her skill level) 30-35 minutes a game. Camage needs starter minutes as well.

If you wait to trade her because it didn't work out, her value will not be as much as before and you can probably get a significant player in return. Like you said, there are only two 6'8" centers so Cambage will be in big demand.

Why will her trade value go down a year later? Or even midway through the season, which is an option if they don't like playing them together.

And who do you see Tulsa getting in exchange for Cambage?

 

[doggydaddy]

Why will her trade value go down a year later? Or even midway through the season, which is an option if they don't like playing them together.

And who do you see Tulsa getting in exchange for Cambage?

1. Her trade value would go down because, in my opinion, she won't see as much playing time at her best position because Griner will be getting most minutes at center.

2. I have no idea who they would get. Too many variables between now an the draft.

 

[tnvolfan65]

1. Her trade value would go down because, in my opinion, she won't see as much playing time at her best position because Griner will be getting most minutes at center.

2. I have no idea who they would get. Too many variables between now an the draft.

Obviously teams would be able to see that as well. Her size and potential doesn't change in time. She would probably only improve going against Griner everyday.

And you just keep speaking of the wings/guards they could get. I was wondering who you had in mind.

 

[doggydaddy]

Obviously teams would be able to see that as well. Her size and potential doesn't change in time. She would probably only improve going against Griner everyday.

And you just keep speaking of the wings/guards they could get. I was wondering who you had in mind.

I'm not a WNBA GM and either are you. You keep mentioning players they can't get. But she is a unique player that would garner a decent return. And they would get Griner as a draft choice, so whoever they got in return for Cambage would be a positive. And it doesn't just have to be a wing/guard. It could be a true 4 that can do more than just play defense.

 

[UConnCat]

Tulsa has a strong trio of guards in Johnson, Williams, and Latta. Good wings are a dime a dozen. Johnson/Lacy/Pederson could still play the four with Griner/Cambage if the "experiment" doesn't work, and would probably see minutes anyways. It's not like they're going to play 40 minutes together.

I don't consider Riquana Williams, Tameka Johnson and Ivory Latta to be a strong group of guards, at least not by WNBA standards, and it's not a backcourt that is going to win playoff games even with Griner at center. Putting aside their offensive deficiencies, who among that group is going to guard Augustus, or Taurasi, or Pondexter, etc. As for good wings being a "dime a dozen," tell that to the Connecticut Sun, Seattle Storm, SA Stars, LA Sparks, etc. The Seattle Storm have now resorted to starting a 38-year-old shooting guard at the wing. The Sun would be competing for championships if it had a wing who could both defend and score.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Cambage performs this summer in the Olympics.

 

[easttexastrash]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Cambage performs this summer in the Olympics.

Same here. She was not in great shape during her last WNBA season. I wonder if she may have a battle with her weight throughout her career. She seems like a fun loving kid and I have to wonder at what point she will make a real commitment to her fitness.

 

[tnvolfan65]

I don't consider Riquana Williams, Tameka Johnson and Ivory Latta to be a strong group of guards, at least not by WNBA standards, and it's not a backcourt that is going to win playoff games even with Griner at center. Putting aside their offensive deficiencies, who among that group is going to guard Augustus, or Taurasi, or Pondexter, etc. As for good wings being a "dime a dozen," tell that to the Connecticut Sun, Seattle Storm, SA Stars, LA Sparks, etc. The Seattle Storm have now resorted to starting a 38-year-old shooting guard at the wing. The Sun would be competing for championships if it had a wing who could both defend and score.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Cambage performs this summer in the Olympics.

Who ever slows down DT, Augustus, or Cappie? If they want to score, they will. Tulsa could rotate one of the small guards to pester them, or Dorrell or Johnson if they wanted more size.

The Sun are among the best in the league right now. Clearly they felt content with their roster because they made no attempt to shake it up. They have the 2nd best center and the best point guard combo in the league, so it makes sense that their weakest position may be at the wing. Unless your Minny and get in the lottery for 15 years in a row, you can't have all-stars at every position.

L.A. has Beard and DMJ. San Antonio has Perkins and Johnson. And Seattle brought on Smith and Thompson. I dont ser your point. Smith led them in scoring from the 3 two games ago. They all sucked against Minny, I dont think it had anything to do with Smith starting. She, Thompspn, and Stricklen are all capable wings in this league. I wouldn't call that a weak rotation, but again when you supposedly have the best point-post combo in the world, it makes sense that your weakest position might be on the wing. Their problem is Bird is not playing well and LJ isn't playing.

 

[doggydaddy]

Who ever slows down DT, Augustus, or Cappie? If they want to score, they will. Tulsa could rotate one of the small guards to pester them, or Dorrell or Johnson if they wanted more size.

The Sun are among the best in the league right now. Clearly they felt content with their roster because they made no attempt to shake it up. They have the 2nd best center and the best point guard combo in the league, so it makes sense that their weakest position may be at the wing. Unless your Minny and get in the lottery for 15 years in a row, you can't have all-stars at every position.

L.A. has Beard and DMJ. San Antonio has Perkins and Johnson. And Seattle brought on Smith and Thompson. I dont ser your point. Smith led them in scoring from the 3 two games ago. They all sucked against Minny, I dont think it had anything to do with Smith starting. She, Thompspn, and Stricklen are all capable wings in this league. I wouldn't call that a weak rotation, but again when you supposedly have the best point-post combo in the world, it makes sense that your weakest position might be on the wing. Their problem is Bird is not playing well and LJ isn't playing.

I'll let UConncat handle the response here as you questioned her. But I will question your one comment.

"She, Thompspn, and Stricklen are all capable wings in this league."

Ok...I let go your pumping up of Glory Johnson. She is a hard worker and tough defender. But saying Stricklen is a capable wing at this point in her career is just nuts.

She is shooting 31.7% from the field, 21.7% on 3's and 42.9% on FT's with 5 total assists for the season. One double digit game against Minnesota doesn't make her capable.

 

[tnvolfan65]

I'll let UConncat handle the response here as you questioned her. But I will question your one comment.

I can always count on you for that...

Her five assists on the "season" is 6 games. She's averaging 6 points and 3 rebounds off the bench in her rookie year. She gives them a nice option off the bench.

I expect her shooting numbers to get better. Just as i don't expect Hayes to continue shooting 26% and 20% respectively.

 

[doggydaddy]

I can always count on you for that...

Her five assists on the "season" is 6 games. She's averaging 6 points and 3 rebounds off the bench in her rookie year. She gives them a nice option off the bench.

I expect her shooting numbers to get better. Just as i don't expect Hayes to continue shooting 26% and 20% respectively.

But I didn't call Hayes a "capable" wing in trying to make a point. Neither she or Hayes are that.

 

[UConnCat]

I'll let UConncat handle the response here as you questioned her. But I will question your one comment.

"She, Thompspn, and Stricklen are all capable wings in this league."

Ok...I let go your pumping up of Glory Johnson. She is a hard worker and tough defender. But saying Stricklen is a capable wing at this point in her career is just nuts.

She is shooting 31.7% from the field, 21.7% on 3's and 42.9% on FT's with 5 total assists for the season. One double digit game against Minnesota doesn't make her capable.

I don't feel a need to respond. I stand by what I've said and I'm done with this topic.

 

[easttexastrash]

I can always count on you for that...

Her five assists on the "season" is 6 games. She's averaging 6 points and 3 rebounds off the bench in her rookie year. She gives them a nice option off the bench.

I expect her shooting numbers to get better. Just as i don't expect Hayes to continue shooting 26% and 20% respectively.

Shooting percentages for most players is going to be a bit low as they acclimate to the faster pace of the WNBA. Both Stricklen and Hayes will probably have much better percentages as the year progresses. I've always been a fan of Stricklen and I think that she will have a long and successful career.