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businesslawyer said:
His first response to my post that did nothing but give my opinion called me an ass. Exactly what would he have to do to not seem like a good guy?
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I didn't see that post. Yeah, he should not have said that.
 
Can you imagine how many championships Rutgers would have if they handed out trophies after Signing Day?

The idiotic comments by CVF notwithstanding, I'm not sure how much of an overall talent gap there is between the 2 teams. I absolutely think we will win the battle on both lines of scrimmage. I think nearly everywhere else is close. What worries me is that we don't have one iota of a clue how any of our 3 QB's are gonna play in their first road test. Granted, this is not Death Valley or The Plains, but it's still a road game against a BCS opponent. That's the one thing that makes this a toss up game in my view. To be completely fair, our record and accomplishments wouldn't be near what they are today had we played an SEC schedule since 2004. So I think evaluating talent based on wins and losses does not paint the entire picture accurately.

That being said, I still think we win this game, but am not as confident as BL.
 
Jimmy,

I get where you're coming from about the SEC, but really, it has a few very very good teams. After that, though, I'm not convinced that Mississippi and Mississippi State are anything special year in year out. Same with kentucky. Georgia hasn't been all that good for a few years. UCONN smacked around South Carolina when we met in a bowl. When an SEC team is real good, they are real good. When they aren't they are nothing special. would we have won 2 conference titles? Probably not. We haven't been that good. But we wouldn't be Vanderbilt either.
 
freescooter said:
Jimmy,

I get where you're coming from about the SEC, but really, it has a few very very good teams. After that, though, I'm not convinced that Mississippi and Mississippi State are anything special year in year out. Same with kentucky. Georgia hasn't been all that good for a few years. UCONN smacked around South Carolina when we met in a bowl. When an SEC team is real good, they are real good. When they aren't they are nothing special. would we have won 2 conference titles? Probably not. We haven't been that good. But we wouldn't be Vanderbilt either.
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No, we're not Vandy. We're a better team. The only thing that worries me tomorrow night is the QB play. That being said, if we played Vandy's schedule last year, we probably win about 4 or 5 games. Maybe 6.
 
I am worried about QB play too. But we won 8 times last year without much QB play, and if we have to win that way again tomorrow night I still think we're good enough everywhere else to do that.
 
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freescooter said:
Jimmy,

I get where you're coming from about the SEC, but really, it has a few very very good teams. After that, though, I'm not convinced that Mississippi and Mississippi State are anything special year in year out. Same with kentucky. Georgia hasn't been all that good for a few years. UCONN smacked around South Carolina when we met in a bowl. When an SEC team is real good, they are real good. When they aren't they are nothing special. would we have won 2 conference titles? Probably not. We haven't been that good. But we wouldn't be Vanderbilt either.
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Ole Miss stinks this year, but the rest of the SEC West is terrific. Auburn might finish 5th in that division.
 
uconnbaseball said:
Ole Miss stinks this year, but the rest of the SEC West is terrific. Auburn might finish 5th in that division.
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You're right about the SEC west, but that Auburn team needed a miracle comeback in the last 2 minutes to beat Utah State.....at home. They should finish 5th.
 
I don't know if we really get it going on offense, or if our kicker does well on the road early in the season, but I think we score 21-24 points somehow and that's enough to hold off a game Vanderbilt squad playing their hearts out at home. Keep the turnovers and the penalties down and we win 24-17.
 
uconnbaseball said:
Ole Miss stinks this year, but the rest of the SEC West is terrific. Auburn might finish 5th in that division.
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I agree with Jimmy...I don't dispute the fact the SEC is the best league year-in and out, but it is very top heavy. #1-2 are usual pretty special teams, #3-4 are comparable to the top teams in other conferences. #10-12 are not much better than the deadweights in other leagues.

What was the SEC bowl record last year...I believe 5-5?

Uconn 34-13.
 
businesslawyer said:
Someone much smarter than I will have to explain why this is viewed as a toss up game.

1. We beat them fairly easily last year, at a time when we were playing really, really, really bad football.

2. While I understand the many questions we have, they have them to. What they don't have is the quality of players up and down the roster on both sides of the line of scrimmage that we do. Or the habit of winning games, as opposed to losing them.

3. We almost beat them in Nashville with a much, much less talented roster Orlovsky's sophomore year. Yes, we had Dan Orlovsky, but they had Jay Cutler. May of these players have beaten a much better SEC team in Birmingham. Yes, you never take a road game against a BCS opponent for granted, but our road win at Baylor was against a much better team than this. And it's not like we haven't won at Wake, Duke and Indiana as well.

If I were a betting man, I would have a lot of money on this game. A lot. I don't know whether we win by a lot or a little. Depends on whether our offense can get anything going. Whether our team is good or not is still a very open question. But we are a materially better team than Vanderbilt. We shut their offense down and win the special teams battle. That's 2 out of 3 even if our offense isn't good.

Same outcome as the civil war. Don't care about the score.
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UConn will win this game comfortably. UConn has two high draft picks playing at DT, two more draftable players at CB, and maybe a DE or two that will get a look. On offense, UConn's line should control the line of scrimmage. UConn won easily last year, and I expect a similar outcome.

The only cloud on the horizon is that Endres did start last year's Vanderbilt game, making it one of two games where UConn got adequate QB play.
 
You think that Martin is a a high draft pick at DT? If anything, I would say that Sio Moore (as well as Reyes) is our top draft prospect. Wreh Wilson and Joseph are also NFL draft level players.

On offense, we have at least two lineman and probably a tight end as well.
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
Can you imagine how many championships Rutgers would have if they handed out trophies after Signing Day?

The idiotic comments by CVF notwithstanding, I'm not sure how much of an overall talent gap there is between the 2 teams. I absolutely think we will win the battle on both lines of scrimmage. I think nearly everywhere else is close. What worries me is that we don't have one iota of a clue how any of our 3 QB's are gonna play in their first road test. Granted, this is not Death Valley or The Plains, but it's still a road game against a BCS opponent. That's the one thing that makes this a toss up game in my view. To be completely fair, our record and accomplishments wouldn't be near what they are today had we played an SEC schedule since 2004. So I think evaluating talent based on wins and losses does not paint the entire picture accurately.

That being said, I still think we win this game, but am not as confident as BL.
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What were my idiotic comments? I used the example of saying recruiting services would disagree about the huge talent gap that lawyers says exists and everybody immediately dismissed recruiting services as completely invalid. I do think they have some merit, but I certainly don't view them as gospel. VU is 12 every year in recruiting in the SEC and guess what, we're 12 every year in the conference too. The difference, which for some reason y'all fail to acknowledge, is that UConn has had one of the top coaches in FBS football. Edsall might not have had a sexy offense, but he's a top tier coach and he coached up some solid talent to make them a better team collectively than VU by far.
 
CrazyVandyFan said:
What were my idiotic comments? I used the example of saying recruiting services would disagree about the huge talent gap that lawyers says exists and everybody immediately dismissed recruiting services as completely invalid. I do think they have some merit, but I certainly don't view them as gospel. VU is 12 every year in recruiting in the SEC and guess what, we're 12 every year in the conference too. The difference, which for some reason y'all fail to acknowledge, is that UConn has had one of the top coaches in FBS football. Edsall might not have had a sexy offense, but he's a top tier coach and he coached up some solid talent to make them a better team collectively than VU by far.
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O.K. -- I swear to all of you on my life that I am not having a fight with myself typing under a second name. You will know that because never, even to make a point, would I ever use "y'all" without quotes. LOL.

CVF: can you imagine for just a minute that having watched the two teams play against each other less than a year ago maybe, just maybe, allows for conclusions about talent with more of a basis than looking at old recruiting rankings?
 
UCONN 35 ~ 16 (If not 42) I'm Gonna Say Easy Win, Why, Because I Can. :eek: LOL!
 
businesslawyer said:
O.K. -- I swear to all of you on my life that I am not having a fight with myself typing under a second name. You will know that because never, even to make a point, would I ever use "y'all" without quotes. LOL.

CVF: can you imagine for just a minute that having watched the two teams play against each other less than a year ago maybe, just maybe, allows for conclusions about talent with more of a basis than looking at old recruiting rankings?
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No doubt, I'm not a person that believes in absolutes. Last year's UConn team was not only more talented, but much better prepared. That said, it was a 10 point game with 7 or 8 minutes to go in the game. Todman and Endres (sp) absolutely dominated us all day long and neither plays for UConn this year (I think, not 100% on that). You have to be a smart enough guy (if you're a lawyer, gotta be pretty smart to pass the bar in any state) to see where your original post was offensive. The talent gap stuff didn't bother me as much as going with the very topical and relevant Cival War blast. Whether it is the case or not, you just came off as an ass and I called you on it. The other stuff is just good for debate. I happen to give some credence to the recruiting services ( if you follow it at all, you probably would too), you and others totally dismissed that idea and claimed on the field results were the only way to judge talent. That idea is just silly, it give no credit whatsoever to coaching, which is probably equally as important to the actual talent on the field.

We're the worst program in the SEC by far, but we're certainly not devoid of talent. We hope that Franklin can give us some much needed coaching, recruiting and confidence to get us to the next level (for us, that means occasional bowl appearances).
 
Your first point is true. Endres is gone, and that leaves us without a proven quarterback. Believe it or not, we are more confident that we will find a running game with the talent we have at OL and RB.
 
CrazyVandyFan said:
No doubt, I'm not a person that believes in absolutes. Last year's UConn team was not only more talented, but much better prepared. That said, it was a 10 point game with 7 or 8 minutes to go in the game. Todman and Endres (sp) absolutely dominated us all day long and neither plays for UConn this year (I think, not 100% on that). You have to be a smart enough guy (if you're a lawyer, gotta be pretty smart to pass the bar in any state) to see where your original post was offensive. The talent gap stuff didn't bother me as much as going with the very topical and relevant Cival War blast. Whether it is the case or not, you just came off as an ass and I called you on it. The other stuff is just good for debate. I happen to give some credence to the recruiting services ( if you follow it at all, you probably would too), you and others totally dismissed that idea and claimed on the field results were the only way to judge talent. That idea is just silly, it give no credit whatsoever to coaching, which is probably equally as important to the actual talent on the field.

We're the worst program in the SEC by far, but we're certainly not devoid of talent. We hope that Franklin can give us some much needed coaching, recruiting and confidence to get us to the next level (for us, that means occasional bowl appearances).
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Your words! And How can you say we were more talented and better prepared than last year??? You don't even know who our players are!

Your like RutgersAl you are Crazy, at least the name fits. Tell me is it TRUE Vandy needed three fourth down conversions to keep drives alive against Mighty Elon ??? Vandy converted only 4 of 13 third down conversions. And was forced to punt 5 times against Mighty Elon !! :rolleyes:
 
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My predictions:

1. Vandy coeds will impress large - maybe the best all season.
2. Neither team will score more than 17.
3. This is one of the few times all year that I will be happy that there's an SEC network cause this game is on in NC (Time Warner).
4. No outright prediction but i would take UConn and the 2 pts.
5. If both Os can't move the ball then thank god for 1.
 
2 More things, 1.) UCONN was BE Conference Champ Last year, Vandy SEC Champ... not so much. 2.) 7 Home & 5 Away schedule wont help you tomorrow!
 
NEforceUConn said:
My predictions:

1. Vandy coeds will impress large - maybe the best all season.
2. Neither team will score more than 17.
3. This is one of the few times all year that I will be happy that there's an SEC network cause this game is on in NC (Time Warner).
4. No outright prediction but i would take UConn and the 2 pts.
5. If both Os can't move the ball then thank god for 1.
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I gotta agree with You.I see a low scoring game between the two teams.Uconn didn't exactly light it up against Fordham.Vandi wants payback from last year.Vandi covers the 1 1/2.Hope I'm wrong.
 
CTFootball said:
I agree with Jimmy...I don't dispute the fact the SEC is the best league year-in and out, but it is very top heavy. #1-2 are usual pretty special teams, #3-4 are comparable to the top teams in other conferences. #10-12 are not much better than the deadweights in other leagues.

What was the SEC bowl record last year...I believe 5-5?

Uconn 34-13.
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I think the SEC has been the best conference now for a while, but by no means are teams 1-12 great every year. Most years we suck, and by most, I mean most. As you mentioned, Ole Miss is usually pretty crappy, although they did have 2 straight Cotton Bowl wins a couple of years back. Mississippi State has been Vandy-West for about a five year stretch, but you can't say that anymore, Dan Mullen is a stud and he has them rolling right now. UGA and UF and ut are currently in a down cycle, but South Carolina is better than they've ever been. LSU, Bama and Arkansas are the class of the league this year and as you mentioned, Auburn will suck, they won't even make it to bowl eligibility. Overall, the league appears to be very down this year and I really don't see any way the SEC will win it's 6th consecutive National Championship. It's somebody else's turn.
 
For those outside of CT, you can watch it on ESPN3

9/10 7:30 PM EDT NCAAF - Connecticut vs. Vanderbilt
 
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HuskyBarker said:
Your words! And How can you say we were more talented and better prepared than last year??? You don't even know who our players are!

Your like RutgersAl you are Crazy, at least the name fits. Tell me is it TRUE Vandy needed three fourth down conversions to keep drives alive against Mighty Elon ??? Vandy converted only 4 of 13 third down conversions. And was forced to punt 5 times against Mighty Elon !! :rolleyes:
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I am assuming y'all were better last year because you lost your coach and Todman and the biggest indicator, the Vegas betting line. If y'all were supposed to be more talented and better prepared, I would assume Vegas would have y'all as a pretty heavy favorite. That said, we won't know anything until after we play tomorrow. Both teams faced terrible FCS opponents (although I will say Elon is the best FCS team I've ever seen us play) so it's hard to really tell where either team stands.

As for your "mighty elon" quips, I'm guessing you went to the box score, so you probably would know better than I would. We certainly didn't play well and frankly, Elon's receiver was absolutely amazing (6'4 kid who didn't play high school football, but will most certainly play in the NFL) and fun to watch. Frankly, we only have 5-6 winnable games on our schedule so if we lose this one, it will be pretty clear that we once again suck at football. If we somehow, pull out the win, who knows?

Should be fun.
 
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