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Greedo said:
He played basically a whole game against Iowa when their QB1 got injured and looked like trash while surrounded by a ton of talent. Most PSU fans think that game was what gone him shown the door at the end of the season.

I do still think he has potential to be serviceable at the level UConn needs, but he had a legit shot at Penn State to prove himself.
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At Penn State, we don’t have that luxury.
 
jdb50 said:
Charlton ran a motion play that had Joly getting hit by the snap. We had way too many crap plays on first down. The rushed QB sneak with Roberson with Rosa pushing really screwed us before halftime. UtSt runs a designed QB draw for 12 and then a skinny post for a TD. Second half they come out and get 4 first downs on 6 plays. Hot knife through butter. Our D was a mess after owning the first half except for 34 seconds. Our offense started the second half with 2 three and outs. 4th Q Roberson could have run for close to a first down heading towards our bench but forced a throw to Joly who was double covered on the sideline. Joly was having his left shoulder looked at after that play. We continue to not run vertical routes on most plays so the D can overload coverage on sideline routes. The middle of the field is open. Cam Edwards looked to be attacking holes that the lineman were creating rather than bounce plays outside and he had some solid gains.
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Right. Maybe @RSTuthill can get "UConn" to pay Charlton $200,000 more a year and he will stop calling dumb plays.
 
ZooCougar said:
Go watch something else then.

UConn isn’t paying the players. The donors are.

This season is a huge disappointment but it’s not like it was under Edsall where we lose a game like this by 40.
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He shouldn’t have to watch something else. We all love the same team. We’re all on the same team. His point is that this is not sustainable if we don’t start winning, and we don’t have the resources for that. It’s a reality that none of us like, but it may be our reality. I happen to think there are a lot of P5 programs that ultimately are going to be left out, and we will eventually join up with them. UConn is going to excel at basketball, football is going to be second tier.
 
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RSTuthill said:
And where are you gonna get that cash? If it was as easy as that it woulda been done long ago. The donors obviously see natties in BB as more attractive than mediocre football.
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I was on the board of a non-profit and we had a big donor come in to speak to the board about why he made the big donation. He said that he hadn't been asked before. The point was, if we wanted to increase donations, the first thing we needed to do was ask.

I know this sounds simplistic, but UConn (not just athletics) has historically taken a passive approach in seeking donations. UConn is doing much better now, but there are a number of improvements that need to be made. For example, large donors want to interact with distinguished fund raisers, not junior fundraising people. We have too many assistant and associate level fund raisers and we really need Sr. VPs.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
At some point the Edge Lord act about the end of UConn's football program becomes trolling. Is this board at that point yet?
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I’ll be the one. Who is the Edge Lord and what is the Edge Lord act?
 
Do people really think Mora doesn’t know how to coach? The guy knows how to coach defense. You could bring Nick Saban in to coach this team and we’d have the same results.

He’s also operating on a shoe string budget, trying to bring coaches into a program that has some serious stink on it from the last decade. I’m absolutely sure he’s scraping the barrel with coaches that are willing to risk their careers here for any sum of money. I’m also assuming it’s why we don’t have a DC, so Mora has more money to fill out the rest of the staff.

For better or worse, Mora tried to pull a Hurley and keep a lot of the players from the previous regime out of the kindness of his heart. The difference is with basketball one or two good recruits can pull the rest of the team up too .500ish in those early years. The same is not true for football.

We have a group of FCS players trying to make plays against FBS teams. That’s the fact of the matter. I’m holding my judgement of this staff until we have true roster turnover. Hurley’s style of play is completely different now than when he first came in here because now he has the guys for his system. The coaches can’t catch balls for these kids and they can’t run next to the other team’s receivers for them.

If Mora went for 2 at the end of the game and they failed, the same people would be criticizing him for that that are criticizing him now for going for 1. It is what it is, we don’t have the personnel.
 
gars44 said:
He shouldn’t have to watch something else. We all love the same team. We’re all on the same team. His point is that this is not sustainable if we don’t start winning, and we don’t have the resources for that. It’s a reality that none of us like, but it may be our reality. I happen to think there are a lot of P5 programs that ultimately are going to be left out, and we will eventually join up with them. UConn is going to excel at basketball, football is going to be second tier.
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This is what that guy always does. Tries to pin this on one thing.

There are literally tons of teams with the same talent level out there doing bigger and better things and they have less NIL to play with. We also pay our coaches BETTER than these schools. Some of them actually deserve it too.

If we ever focus on hiring an offensive coordinator who actually wants to score tons of points and sling it all over, all of this talk will seem silly.

Instead we have a guy who has a signature Iceball offense. Literally the first thing he ever said here was that he wanted to run the ball 40 times a game.

This mentality won't cut it in this era of football. I think Mora knows this already and I think Charlton will be history here soon after the season is over. That or someone will be brought in to force/help Charlton move into the 21st Century.

Secondly, Mora is the damn HC. He needs to stop being the DC. I think he has cornered himself here and DB probably needs to force that hire soon after the season.
 
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Greedo said:
Do people really think Mora doesn’t know how to coach? The guy knows how to coach defense. You could bring Nick Saban in to coach this team and we’d have the same results.

He’s also operating on a shoe string budget, trying to bring coaches into a program that has some serious stink on it from the last decade. I’m absolutely sure he’s scraping the barrel with coaches that are willing to risk their careers here for any sum of money. I’m also assuming it’s why we don’t have a DC, so Mora has more money to fill out the rest of the staff.

For better or worse, Mora tried to pull a Hurley and keep a lot of the players from the previous regime out of the kindness of his heart. The difference is with basketball one or two good recruits can pull the rest of the team up too .500ish in those early years. The same is not true for football.

We have a group of FCS players trying to make plays against FBS teams. That’s the fact of the matter. I’m holding my judgement of this staff until we have true roster turnover. Hurley’s style of play is completely different now than when he first came in here because now he has the guys for his system. The coaches can’t catch balls for these kids and they can’t run next to the other team’s receivers for them.

If Mora went for 2 at the end of the game and they failed, the same people would be criticizing him for that that are criticizing him now for going for 1. It is what it is, we don’t have the personnel.
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Our football budget is middle of FBS, nowhere near shoe string. I like Mora, but he needs to be held accountable for the bad coaching on show.
 
I guess I just don’t understand the goal right now. We’re not in a conference so that means no rivalries, no regular season championships, no conference championships, no bowl tie-ins, and to be quite honest - no hope of a P4 invite until at least 2033. I think the lack of direction and goals is really killing us. I love this program but I don’t see what those guys are playing for out there and I don’t think they do either.

independence is killing us just like the American killed us - just in different ways. It’s really frustrating.
 
I don't feel so bad after watching how UCF just lost to Baylor. That's even more brutal
 
well have to hand it to Ut St nice overload -- but CBS guy buries TE & WB for "poor technique" and he's right
 

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ZooCougar said:
Those are separate endowments.

Like for example William and Mary’s football scholarships are endowed.
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there are some unrestricted funds made to university endowments. If UConn can turn football around and get into a power conference adding to coaching salaries will pay for itself many times over.
 
If nothing else, the game showed Roberson can do enough to keep this team in the game if Charlton lets him. He threw accurately into some tight spaces, the WRs made tough catches, and they looked like a reasonably competent offense.

The defense - more specifically the secondary - was just eaten alive by Riley. That group does not have the talent to match up with a guy with that kind of speed.

Not calling it any kind of a moral victory, but at least it was more entertaining than the last three games.
 
How Sway?! said:
Our football budget is middle of FBS, nowhere near shoe string. I like Mora, but he needs to be held accountable for the bad coaching on show.
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When I read statements like this, I become mad. UConn used to pay competitive salaries 10 years ago, but not anymore. How many teams on UConn's schedule this year do you think UConn pays their assistants more than? 5, Georgia State, FIU, Sacred Heart, James Madison and UMass. And the assistant coaching pools at FIU and Georgia State are 20% and 10% less than UConn and UMass is about 25% less. We do not have a spending advantage on our competition.

UConn has a $80 million+ athletic department budget and we can't find $500k to $1 million more to put into football coaching salaries? Football is UConn's biggest revenue opportunity, but you need to invest to deliver results. And, for those who say you want to see results first, football is not basketball as you can turn around a basketball program in year with a good coach and a couple of players. Turning around football is more complicated.
 
UConnJim said:
When I read statements like this, I become mad. UConn used to pay competitive salaries 10 years ago, but not anymore. How many teams on UConn's schedule this year do you think UConn pays their assistants more than? 5, Georgia State, FIU, Sacred Heart, James Madison and UMass. And the assistant coaching pools at FIU and Georgia State are 20% and 10% less than UConn and UMass is about 25% less. We do not have a spending advantage on our competition.

UConn has a $80 million+ athletic department budget and we can't find $500k to $1 million more to put into football coaching salaries? Football is UConn's biggest revenue opportunity, but you need to invest to deliver results. And, for those who say you want to see results first, football is not basketball as you can turn around a basketball program in year with a good coach and a couple of players. Turning around football is more complicated.
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True it’s like turning around an aircraft carrier, take time and care.
 
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Greedo said:
Do people really think Mora doesn’t know how to coach? The guy knows how to coach defense. You could bring Nick Saban in to coach this team and we’d have the same results.

He’s also operating on a shoe string budget, trying to bring coaches into a program that has some serious stink on it from the last decade. I’m absolutely sure he’s scraping the barrel with coaches that are willing to risk their careers here for any sum of money. I’m also assuming it’s why we don’t have a DC, so Mora has more money to fill out the rest of the staff.

For better or worse, Mora tried to pull a Hurley and keep a lot of the players from the previous regime out of the kindness of his heart. The difference is with basketball one or two good recruits can pull the rest of the team up too .500ish in those early years. The same is not true for football.

We have a group of FCS players trying to make plays against FBS teams. That’s the fact of the matter. I’m holding my judgement of this staff until we have true roster turnover. Hurley’s style of play is completely different now than when he first came in here because now he has the guys for his system. The coaches can’t catch balls for these kids and they can’t run next to the other team’s receivers for them.

If Mora went for 2 at the end of the game and they failed, the same people would be criticizing him for that that are criticizing him now for going for 1. It is what it is, we don’t have the personnel.
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He’s not on a shoestring budget. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
there are some unrestricted funds made to university endowments. If UConn can turn football around and get into a power conference adding to coaching salaries will pay for itself many times over.
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First off. A $600M endowment for a school of UConn’s size is pitiful and puny.

They aren’t using it on football.

Second off the University uses a portion of the interest generated by the endowment. That’s a bit simplistic but it’s not a bank account or slush fund.

If football specific endowment is a great idea. Really, the school should have started one back when we upgraded.
 
ZooCougar said:
He’s not on a shoestring budget. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Well, that's a relative term in the world of major collegiate football. I'd argue that he needs 10-20MM in discretionary funding to be competitive in the NIL space. And I understand that the University per se does not 'control' NIL; I'm thinking more of a notional amount of firepower available from collectives and/or donors (for things like coaches, facilities upgrades etc). Right now the State and student fees are doing a lot of work and that can't be the case if we want to be truly competitive at the FBS level. And our collective is......well the less said the better, at least insofar as football is concerned.

At the other extreme, just look at what Nebraska is gonna spend on Memorial Stadium the next three years. 450MM from various sources and they won't even blink at the necessity.
 
ZooCougar said:
First off. A $600M endowment for a school of UConn’s size is pitiful and puny.

They aren’t using it on football.

Second off the University uses a portion of the interest generated by the endowment. That’s a bit simplistic but it’s not a bank account or slush fund.

If football specific endowment is a great idea. Really, the school should have started one back when we upgraded.
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What would the Title IX implications be of a football-specific endowment ?
 
maple said:
Did Mora not pick all of those coaches?
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There is no official DC. I think it’s detracting from Mora ‘s overview duty. Just way too many blown assignments and miscommunication. Someone needs to be more focused with them.

Not sure who’s doing ST, but lots of room for improvement in every area. Some of it is poor play, but there are a lot of coaching challenges.
 
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