USMNT Rising

[meyers7]

When will we see a camp with players who will actually be our future? Will it be this summer after the European leagues finish?

You don't get any of the European based players because the clubs are not required to release them due to these Jan games not being on the FIFA calendar. The March break allows for players to play for their countries. So we should get an example of what Berhalter intends to do in March.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

9000 and 13,000. Not sure how much cash they grabbed.

In the grand scheme, $9K or $13K is pretty small potatoes. But, perhaps not if that’s what each Jan camp player is paid. For many (most?) 20-24 year old, US-based players, ~15-20% of annual comp may be a decent sack of cash.

 

[meyers7]

In the grand scheme, $9K or $13K is pretty small potatoes. But, perhaps not if that’s what each Jan camp player is paid. For many (most?) 20-24 year old, US-based players, ~15-20% of annual comp may be a decent sack of cash.

Actually the 9000 and 13000 were attendance numbers. Meaning it doesn't seem like SUM/USSoccer made a whole lot of money on this camp. Of course there is also the TV revenue.

Not sure how much the players get for being called into camp. Read somewhere a couple years ago that they get like $5000 for making a roster. ???

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Actually the 9000 and 13000 were attendance numbers. Meaning it doesn't seem like SUM/USSoccer made a whole lot of money on this camp. Of course there is also the TV revenue.

Not sure how much the players get for being called into camp. Read somewhere a couple years ago that they get like $5000 for making a roster. ???

Oh, duh on my misinterpretation of the unclear 9-13K figure. Setting that aside, $5K's a pretty good cash grab for many of the 20-24 year old MLS kids/guys maybe earning $50K tops

 

[meyers7]

Oh, duh on my misinterpretation of the unclear 9-13K figure. Setting that aside, $5K's a pretty good cash grab for many of the 20-24 year old MLS kids/guys maybe earning $50K tops

Here's a few of the salaries of the players who played in the recent games
Steffen - $145,000
Lima - $93,000
Long - $73,000
Lovitz - $86,000
Zimmerman - $235,000
Trapp - $500,000
Baird - $54,000
Mihailivic - $96,000
Roldan - $154,000
Lletget - $240,000
Lewis - $90,000

Baird is really the only one down at the minimum.

 

[businesslawyer]

When will we see a camp with players who will actually be our future? Will it be this summer after the European leagues finish?

We will put together our A team for the Gold Cup, and that's when they have real time together (as opposed to the 10 or 11 days they get in their fall and spring windows.

 

[businesslawyer]

9000 and 13,000. Not sure how much cash they grabbed.

They don't need the multi-week "camp" to grab cash. They just have to come together for a week and play two games, like all the other windows. Zoo's negativity at times is just silly.

The purpose of the camp has always been primarily to develop those younger players who are still playing in the states, and do look at long term "possibles" who won't get the call ups when our European based players are available. I'm sure it served it's purpose for the new coach. Barring a rash of injuries I'd be surprised if anyone beyond Steffen and maybe Zimmerman had a material role to play in the two March games when the Europeans are available.

 

[businesslawyer]

Here's a few of the salaries of the players who played in the recent games
Steffen - $145,000
Lima - $93,000
Long - $73,000
Lovitz - $86,000
Zimmerman - $235,000
Trapp - $500,000
Baird - $54,000
Mihailivic - $96,000
Roldan - $154,000
Lletget - $240,000
Lewis - $90,000

Baird is really the only one down at the minimum.

Those are shocking numbers. I have paralegals who would be in the top earning half of that group.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Baird is really the only one down at the minimum.

Much higher than expected for several guys, but Steffen’s now appears low. They’ll still take the 5 grand.

 

[ZooCougar]

9000 and 13,000. Not sure how much cash they grabbed.

Failed cash grab.

 

[ZooCougar]

Here's a few of the salaries of the players who played in the recent games
Steffen - $145,000
Lima - $93,000
Long - $73,000
Lovitz - $86,000
Zimmerman - $235,000
Trapp - $500,000
Baird - $54,000
Mihailivic - $96,000
Roldan - $154,000
Lletget - $240,000
Lewis - $90,000

Baird is really the only one down at the minimum.

Players in real leagues makes as much as Baird does twice a month or more.

 

[ZooCougar]

They don't need the multi-week "camp" to grab cash. They just have to come together for a week and play two games, like all the other windows. Zoo's negativity at times is just silly.

The purpose of the camp has always been primarily to develop those younger players who are still playing in the states, and do look at long term "possibles" who won't get the call ups when our European based players are available. I'm sure it served it's purpose for the new coach. Barring a rash of injuries I'd be surprised if anyone beyond Steffen and maybe Zimmerman had a material role to play in the two March games when the Europeans are available.

Should have been a camp for the Olympic Team.

Spending a month “finding” two players is sadly inefficient.

 

[meyers7]

Should have been a camp for the Olympic Team.

Spending a month “finding” two players is sadly inefficient.

Also gave a chance for Berhalter to run a NT camp. Without it really meaning anything.

 

[ZooCougar]

Also gave a chance for Berhalter to run a NT camp. Without it really meaning anything.

What’s the point of running a camp without it meaning anything?

We missed a World Cup. Believe it or not, there was VALUE to that. We could have gotten a head start, but instead we sat on our hands hiring milktoast Earnie Stewart. And then Earnie sat on his hands for months.

They could have run a U-23 camp and gotten ahead of the game with the Olympic Team and then it wouldn’t have been meaningless.

Instead they piss everyone off and then wonder why they only sold 10,000 tickets for two friendlies. And WTF are they doing playing in Glendale? LOL this Federation is run by a bunch of clowns.

 

[outlaw]

What’s the point of running a camp without it meaning anything?

We missed a World Cup. Believe it or not, there was VALUE to that. We could have gotten a head start, but instead we sat on our hands hiring milktoast Earnie Stewart. And then Earnie sat on his hands for months.

They could have run a U-23 camp and gotten ahead of the game with the Olympic Team and then it wouldn’t have been meaningless.

Instead they piss everyone off and then wonder why they only sold 10,000 tickets for two friendlies. And WTF are they doing playing in Glendale? LOL this Federation is run by a bunch of clowns.

come onnnnnnnnnnnnn LOL

The point of January camp is to bring in a mix of domestic talent that either has not had an opportunity to train w the Nats / fringe players who need to make an impact moving forward. Jan camp gives these kids and our coaching staff a month to train and familiarize themselves with (this new) system. Playing Panama and Costa Rica is a nice step up from the previous cupcakes and let some of these kids taste concacaf competition. Training with Michael Bradley means something, whether you want to believe that or not.

There is value in all we do, if you look to find it, yet folks like yourself sit here and bash just about everything because you are still upset that we failed to qualify back in 2017. Move on, kid.

No one is curious as to why they only sold 10k tickets, its obvious, the USSF is still run by clowns as you said, there is no argument there. These games should be played at MLS stadiums. I attended a Jan camp vs Chile at Stubhub Center years back and it was a solid crowd (and great time).

There is an opportunity here to start fresh and get behind these young Nats. March friendlies are just around the corner and this summer is packed with the WWC and GC. We can live in the past or we can move on and get behind the next gen.

COYY

 

[meyers7]

What’s the point of running a camp without it meaning anything?

Well like I said give Berhalter a chance to run a NT camp. And like you said a money grab.

We missed a World Cup. Believe it or not, there was VALUE to that. We could have gotten a head start, but instead we sat on our hands hiring milktoast Earnie Stewart. And then Earnie sat on his hands for months.

I agree, retrospectively we wasted a year. IF we had waited til after the WC to hire a coach, because we were waiting on a WC coach, that would make sense. But yes waiting a year to hire Berhalter was a waste. All of which has nothing to do with Camp Cupcake.

They could have run a U-23 camp and gotten ahead of the game with the Olympic Team and then it wouldn’t have been meaningless.

And who are you going to call in for this U23 camp? Pulisic, McKennie, Adams, Weah, Sargent, Novacovich, Rubin, Palmer-Brown, Carter-Vickers, Moore, Robinson.....none of these guys can get released for a Jan camp.

Instead they piss everyone off and then wonder why they only sold 10,000 tickets for two friendlies. And WTF are they doing playing in Glendale? LOL this Federation is run by a bunch of clowns.

I really don't think they pissed everybody off. Didn't piss off Berhalter or his staff. Didn't piss off the players who were called in. Didn't piss off most of the people on this board. You seem the only person really pissed off about this Camp Cupcake, that been going on for years.

 

[ZooCougar]

come onnnnnnnnnnnnn LOL

The point of January camp is to bring in a mix of domestic talent that either has not had an opportunity to train w the Nats / fringe players who need to make an impact moving forward. Jan camp gives these kids and our coaching staff a month to train and familiarize themselves with (this new) system. Playing Panama and Costa Rica is a nice step up from the previous cupcakes and let some of these kids taste concacaf competition. Training with Michael Bradley means something, whether you want to believe that or not.

There is value in all we do, if you look to find it, yet folks like yourself sit here and bash just about everything because you are still upset that we failed to qualify back in 2017. Move on, kid.

No one is curious as to why they only sold 10k tickets, its obvious, the USSF is still run by clowns as you said, there is no argument there. These games should be played at MLS stadiums. I attended a Jan camp vs Chile at Stubhub Center years back and it was a solid crowd (and great time).

There is an opportunity here to start fresh and get behind these young Nats. March friendlies are just around the corner and this summer is packed with the WWC and GC. We can live in the past or we can move on and get behind the next gen.

COYY

Those fringe players don’t matter. It’s like the USMNT’s version of a jobs program. Most of the players in camp are horrible in fact.

 

[meyers7]

Those fringe players don’t matter. It’s like the USMNT’s version of a jobs program. Most of the players in camp are horrible in fact.

Horrible? They're good enough to make a living at playing soccer. I'd love to be that horrible.

 

[ZooCougar]

I highly recommend Roger Bennett’s American Fiasco pod. Really good portrayal of the ‘98 World Cup Squad.

 

[ZooCougar]

I’m like 2/3ds of the way through it. Steve Sampson sounds like he was the worst USMNT manager of the modern era. The USSF was also even more idiotic than they are now.

 

[ZooCougar]

And... now that I think about it. I hope we get to the part where Lalas actually fires Sampson when he becomes his boss at LA Galaxy.

Lalas, aside from being incredibly annoying, holds the distinction of being the only person to fire both Steve Sampson and Bob Bradley.

 

[meyers7]

I’m like 2/3ds of the way through it. Steve Sampson sounds like he was the worst USMNT manager of the modern era. The USSF was also even more idiotic than they are now.

He did come up with the 3-6-1.

I will give him his due though for taking the the heat for the Harkes/Wynalda fiasco for over 12 years by keeping his mouth shut.

 

[ZooCougar]

He did come up with the 3-6-1.

I will give him his due though for taking the the heat for the Harkes/Wynalda fiasco for over 12 years by keeping his mouth shut.

The Harkes/Wynalda thing was only like 1 out of 100 critical mistakes he made.

The whole team wanted Harkes there, including Wynalda. Apparently Sampson found out about the affair before Wynalda did.

On the flip side, the players were absolute entitled sh6theads and most of them admit it. The only guy who seemed to put his head down and go for it was Hejduk and he ended up a millionaire after the WC.

Sampson wasn’t really fit for the job and the players pretty much got the coach they deserved.

 

[whaler11]

I highly recommend Roger Bennett’s American Fiasco pod. Really good portrayal of the ‘98 World Cup Squad.

bumping this for those who haven’t listened. I finally got through it the last week and its excellent

 

[whaler11]

The Harkes/Wynalda thing was only like 1 out of 100 critical mistakes he made.

The whole team wanted Harkes there, including Wynalda. Apparently Sampson found out about the affair before Wynalda did.

On the flip side, the players were absolute entitled sh6theads and most of them admit it. The only guy who seemed to put his head down and go for it was Hejduk and he ended up a millionaire after the WC.

Sampson wasn’t really fit for the job and the players pretty much got the coach they deserved.

Obviously a lot of posturing in the interviews but I did believe Wynalda when he claimed to have known.

 

[ZooCougar]

‘Quick, sharp, intelligent:’ Blackburn boss Tony Mowbray praises Derby's Duane Holmes

Here is another European based player that isn’t getting a look because of our stupid biased federation.

I am at the point where I will actively root for the USMNT to fail.

 

[ZooCougar]

Obviously a lot of posturing in the interviews but I did believe Wynalda when he claimed to have known.

It sounded almost like Sampson said he didn’t want to tell Wynalda. The whole thing was handled pretty terribly imo.

 

[whaler11]

It sounded almost like Sampson said he didn’t want to tell Wynalda. The whole thing was handled pretty terribly imo.

My memory is that he said exactly that.

 

[businesslawyer]

‘Quick, sharp, intelligent:’ Blackburn boss Tony Mowbray praises Derby's Duane Holmes

Here is another European based player that isn’t getting a look because of our stupid biased federation.

I am at the point where I will actively root for the USMNT to fail.

Excellent point. Clearly, every American who plays in the English Championship would be a star for the USMNT if they weren't discriminated against by pro-MLS communists. Certainly Eric Lichaj did. And Danny Williams (before going to Barclays). Heck, you're right -- we should call Geoff Cameron back.

 

[ZooCougar]

Excellent point. Clearly, every American who plays in the English Championship would be a star for the USMNT if they weren't discriminated against by pro-MLS communists. Certainly Eric Lichaj did. And Danny Williams (before going to Barclays). Heck, you're right -- we should call Geoff Cameron back.

We should call Cameron back.

Every. Single. One of those players would be DPs or TAM guys in MLS so they would easily be good enough to be called up.

You literally expose your ignorance with every post on this.