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Waquoit said:
I like it. Sargent will be ready when Jozy pulls up lame 20 minutes in.
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That's why I would pick Sargent to start, even if he's not as expereced as Altidore. I like Sargent's engine, noce for the ball, and ability to annoy the heck out of center backs, though he does not have Altidore's passing ability yet. I would have Altidore as a 'supersub' off the bench for when a goal is really needed and the team only needs him to run hard for 20 or 30 minutes.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
I would have Altidore as a 'supersub' off the bench for when a goal is really needed and the team only needs him to run hard for 20 or 30 minutes.
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The problem is when you make that move you want a spark. Not a guy that jogs like he has 90 more to play.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Hopes for the junior USMNT team making the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo just dimmed.

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U.S., Mexico face tough Olympic qualifying road for Tokyo 2020

The United States, Mexico and Costa Rica were drawn into the same group for the Olympic qualifying tournament in March.
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Group A: Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, USA
Group B: Canada, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras

The top 2 finishers in each group advance to the playoffs with the two finalists advancing to the Olympics. The way the US has been playing lately, getting points against Mexico home or away feels to be beyond them and getting points in San Jose is going to be a stretch, espeically with primarily MLS players as qualifying will be during the height of European club play. The Olympics is not a huge tortunament on the calendar; but, it's a very solid experience on a global stage for younger players.
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Not sure what you're saying here. This Qualifying Tournament is just 3 group games in Mexico. Over less than a week. Then the semi's. At least if we come in 1st or 2nd we won't have to play Mexico or Costa Rica for an Olympic spot. Getting to that semi-final will be hard though.
 
meyers7 said:
Not sure what you're saying here. This Qualifying Tournament is just 3 group games in Mexico. Over less than a week. Then the semi's. At least if we come in 1st or 2nd we won't have to play Mexico or Costa Rica for an Olympic spot. Getting to that semi-final will be hard though.
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From what I read, there are two pools, A and B, with the top two finishers in each pool advancing to the playoffs with the semifinal winners both advancing.

With arguably the 3 (Mexico, Costa Rica, USA) of the top 4 teams in the 8-team group dropped intot eh same pool, its going to be very difficult for the US to advance to the playoffs. If the US does advance, they are likley to face either Canada or Honduras in the winner-take-all semifinal. Not easy. I beleive the US opens group play with the DR and ends with Mexico.
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
From what I read, there are two pools, A and B, with the top two finishers in each pool advancing to the playoffs with the semifinal winners both advancing.

With arguably the 3 (Mexico, Costa Rica, USA) of the top 4 teams in the 8-team group dropped intot eh same pool, its going to be very difficult for the US to advance to the playoffs. If the US does advance, they are likley to face either Canada or Honduras in the winner-take-all semifinal. Not easy. I beleive the US opens group play with the DR and ends with Mexico.
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Yea that's what I said.

You said, "getting points against Mexico home or away feels to be beyond them and getting points in San Jose is going to be a stretch," .

We're not playing Mexico home and away nor are we playing in San Jose. That's what I was questioning.
 
meyers7 said:
Yea that's what I said.

You said, "getting points against Mexico home or away feels to be beyond them and getting points in San Jose is going to be a stretch," .

We're not playing Mexico home and away nor are we playing in San Jose. That's what I was questioning.
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Ah, so they are single games at a 'neutral' site? I did not catch that, apologies. Nevertheless, getting points against Mexico will be difficult and a USMNT MLS heavy team will have problems with a Costa Rica team. In any toruanent with more than one pool, CONCACAF should never put the US and Mexico in the same pod together as they are histrically (say last 30 yeras) two best programs.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Ah, so they are single games at a 'neutral' site? I did not catch that, apologies. Nevertheless, getting points against Mexico will be difficult and a USMNT MLS heavy team will have problems with a Costa Rica team. In any toruanent with more than one pool, CONCACAF should never put the US and Mexico in the same pod together as they are histrically (say last 30 yeras) two best programs.
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Yep. Guadalajara, Mexico

3/20/20 vs Costa Rica
3/23/20 vs Honduras
3/26/20 vs Mexico

Semi on 3/30
Final on 4/1

IDK, I think I'd prefer 3 games to get 2nd in a group with Mexico/Costa Rica rather than a 1 game playoff for Qualification vs Mexico/Costa Rica.
 
back from my honeymoon and ready for a big year - we really cannot afford to miss out on yet another global tournament. up the baby-ish yanks!
 
We have a game on Saturday at 4 PM, we being the USMNT.

Any thoughts?
 
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Palatine said:
Any thoughts?
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I know its Jan Camp - and I know this is the obvious - but I really want to see them win this game. I am much more excited to see the boys play the Netherlands and Wales in March but Saturday will give an opportunity to the fringe domestic based players to impress. Its GB - so who knows. At some point the experiment needs to turn into form going into qualifying.
 
Palatine said:
We have a game on Saturday at 4 PM, we being the USMNT.

Any thoughts?
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Don’t care. It’s camp cupcake so it’s not really the USMNT. It’s not even a real international break. It’s a stupid USSF cash grab.
 
ZooCougar said:
Don’t care. It’s camp cupcake so it’s not really the USMNT. It’s not even a real international break. It’s a stupid USSF cash grab.
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Gonna watch because I wanna see the young guys like Llanez, Aaronson, Vines and Ferreira but agree.
 
Paul Arriola does less with point blank scoring chances than anyone on the planet. It's almost surreal. It seems to happen twice a game.
 
Not a bad showing by the yutes. They looked better than I thought they would.
 
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It hasn't shown on the field yet, or even the roster, but you have to like the number of young players who are stepping up in Europe at the moment. Reyna contributing for Dortmund at his age is a huge deal. Robinson playing well enough that Milan wanted to sign him is a huge deal. Timmy Chandler having huge success at Frankfurt having been moved up to a wing is a huge deal. We need a striker to come forward, and Weah to get on the field and show he can play every day at that level, but the potential to field an 11 of players all able to play on at least Europa level teams is there.

Possible 4-2-3-1 team for this World Cup, almost all of whom will be better for the World Cup we host:

Steffen in net.
Brooks and Long at FB.
Yedlin, Dest and Robinson fighting for 2 wingback slots.
Adams and McKennie at holding mid, with Holmes backing them up.
Pulisic plus some combination of Weah, Chandler and Reyna behind the striker.
At the moment, Jozy or Sargent but desperately hoping someone makes a huge jump by then.
 
I've said since I saw him star at one of the under-something world cups, I'm not totally sold. Loved his technical skills and understanding of his position, but worried that lack of speed will put a ceiling on his effectiveness.
 
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businesslawyer said:
I've said since I saw him star at one of the under-something world cups, I'm not totally sold. Loved his technical skills and understanding of his position, but worried that lack of speed will put a ceiling on his effectiveness.
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Without even going into Dempsey, Brian McBride was better than anyone we have now. So much better.
 
I don't think it will be Sargent as our guy up top. Not really sure if we have a true 9 in the pipeline
 
Palatine said:
Too early to tell where Sargent's ceiling is. But we have very few big, physical players who can hold position and even as a teenager he seems capable of that. That is the also the value of Josey. Unfortunately he gets hurt every five minutes.
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True and with the speed that the US may have out on the wings with Pulisic, Adams, McKinnie, etc. they may not need speed at 9. He he can fill that McBride role, who was not fast either - the guile and strength to run at central defenders, hold the ball, and then distribute to the attacking edges. Add in the skill and height to make a good aerial game and a nose to poach ugly goals, it could work well for Sargent and USMNT. Of course, since he doesn't play for MLS, who knows what Berhalter will do.
 
I can see potential legal merit with USSF arguing that USMNT players should make more money that USWNT players, and I mean no disrespect towards women, because that's the economics of the world soccer market today, for better or worse. But, USSF arguing that "...beyond physical differences, women's and men's players did not perform equal work because, in effect, women's soccer is easier than men's soccer," is complete trash legally as it's basically the definition of discrimination and a PR nightmare. Those USSF lawyers should be fired along with whoever agreed to using that argument. Of course, this is USSF that we are talking about.

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USSF claims competition pool, physical demands give USMNT different job than USWNT

U.S. Soccer doubled down on its stance that players on the women's and men's national teams do not perform equal work, according to court filings.
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Mr. Conehead said:
I can see potential legal merit with USSF arguing that USMNT players should make more money that USWNT players, and I mean no disrespect towards women, because that's the economics of the world soccer market today, for better or worse. But, USSF arguing that "...beyond physical differences, women's and men's players did not perform equal work because, in effect, women's soccer is easier than men's soccer," is complete trash legally as it's basically the definition of discrimination and a PR nightmare. Those USSF lawyers should be fired along with whoever agreed to using that argument. Of course, this is USSF that we are talking about.

www.espn.com

USSF claims competition pool, physical demands give USMNT different job than USWNT

U.S. Soccer doubled down on its stance that players on the women's and men's national teams do not perform equal work, according to court filings.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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Actually, the women are physically inferior, they are weaker, slower, can't jump as high or kick as far. They may perform as well in some finese aspects of the game and they have comparable conditioning. But they are indisputably athletically inferior. These are absolute facts that are objectively measurable. Even the worst member of the men's team would be a superstar if put into a women's game.

That said. You shouldn't say it because it is as the previous poster noted, it is a PR nightmare and green light for a workplace discrimination suit.

The point of all this is that all pay is not based on work output. Equal pay for equal work sounds reasonable. But equal pay for equal value is how television revenue is decided.
 
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