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Fishy said:
If expansion ever gets rolling again….they’re gonna be an issue for us.
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They’re looking good. Last week Boise State now shocker in Gainesville.
I live midway between Gainesville and Tampa. They’re getting some attention.
Maybe partner to the Big 12?
Central Florida (Tampa, Orlando, Ocala) are expecting significant growth and many of those folks are coming from the Northeast.
 
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NH Husky said:
They’re looking good. Last week Boise State now shocker in Gainesville.
I live midway between Gainesville and Tampa. They’re getting some attention.
Maybe partner to the Big 12?
Central Florida (Tampa, Orlando, Ocala) are expecting significant growth and many of those folks are coming from the Northeast.
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Getting into the AAU, new football stadium, team seems great, they're in Florida.

Tons of momentum. I mean, no where to go, but they're heading towards the closed doors with great momentum.
 
Fishy said:
Getting into the AAU, new football stadium, team seems great, they're in Florida.

Tons of momentum. I mean, no where to go, but they're heading towards the closed doors with great momentum.
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P2 doors? Yes, they are closed for USF.

There is going to be a tier below that. I believe that tier will consist of Big 12 and ACC schools plus some G5 programs. It may include some P2 demotions as well. I think this is where the likes of UConn, USF, Tulane, etc will end up. And that’s fine with me.
Tier 1 (P2) is top 40 schools. Tier 2 is next 60. We belong in Tier 2.
Hoops is a different story. Tier 1 could easily include 200 schools.
 
cellocgg said:
Reminder that UConn tops the G5 in revenue, the metric that actually matters in CR, and the next closest is like $25M short

Winning a game in Gainesville isn't getting USF into a conference. They've had great seasons before. Y'all sound silly
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Your numbers are outdated. USF has significantly increased their AD spending and spent $95.4 million in 2024.
 
Here are the numbers:
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Interestingly, if you drop us into a P4 conference say the ACC, as currently configured, or the big 12, our revenue would go up by about $35 million for conference media rights distributions plus another 15 million in college football playoff distribution money. Adding $50 million to the revenue listed above puts us pretty much at a tie for number 34 with Louisville:
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Note that that does include 4 1/2 million dollars of big east media, distribution rights, but doesn't include an increase in attendance, merchandise, sales, or donations.

(I think we are the victims of circular reasoning here. UConn doesn't deserve to be in the P4 because its revenue isn't high enough, but its revenue isn't high enough because it's not a member of the P4. It has a very "Catch-22" feel to it.)
 
USF will be equal to or greater to UConn when ACC backfills or Big12 expands.

@NH Husky nailed it. It's already AAU, has a massive student population and growing alumni base, it's in a large metro area, in a large state which cares about CFBz and it's endowment is almost $900M.

Their on campus stadium will be ready for start of 2027 season.




 
CL82 said:
Here are the numbers:
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Interestingly, if you drop us into a P4 conference say the ACC, as currently configured, or the big 12, our revenue would go up by about $35 million for conference media rights distributions plus another 15 million in college football playoff distribution money. Adding $50 million to the revenue listed above puts us pretty much at a tie for number 34 with Louisville:
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Note that that does include 4 1/2 million dollars of big east media, distribution rights, but doesn't include an increase in attendance, merchandise, sales, or donations.

(I think we are the victims of circular reasoning here. UConn doesn't deserve to be in the P4 because its revenue isn't high enough, but its revenue isn't high enough because it's not a member of the P4. It has a very "Catch-22" feel to it.)
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This is the page I linked. UConn wins big in the metrics that matter for realignment. The rest of the G5 isn't close lol (barring SDSU)

Ask yourself why the B12 approached UConn and not USF, Tulane, Memphis, etc
 
cellocgg said:
This is the page I linked. UConn wins big in the metrics that matter for realignment. The rest of the G5 isn't close lol (barring SDSU)

Ask yourself why the B12 approached UConn and not USF, Tulane, Memphis, etc
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Yep. I just screenshot it a couple of relevant pages to make it easier for people to look at it. Thanks for the link! It's good info.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
They’re hot at the right time
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Which is it? The doomsayers say the door is shut to any realignment for the next several years. Now they are worried USF will jump us (if anything we’d both backfill at the same time to an ACC with multiple defections).

We were in a league with USF. They were mediocrity personified. But hey UCF had their “championship” season and were the hot new thing too. Now they are a Big 12 after thought.
 
These guys have beaten Boise St & Florida and are now sitting at #18 as of 9/7/25.

THIS is how you get noticed by the Big12. I know one good season won't make a team transcend to p4, but it will be so so sad if they are up next and we get passed over again.

something is clicking in Tampa - anything we can learn from them and apply to our situation?
 
The tongue in cheek response is that they invested in research to become AAU, they invested in football with a new on campus stadium, and they didn't fumble their last few HC hires like we did before we got Mora. They will leapfrog us when the next Px invite opens up. What is the lesson, invest in your school and football and recruit in hotspots, which USF has a clear advantage.
 
This is the second thread made about USF of all teams, they’re not any more ahead/behind us than they were beforehand. Any of their advantages have already been mentioned with ACC expansion post-FSU.

I’m mad about the game Saturday, I don’t think it should be this much of a struggle for us to beat P4 opponents, but to the point of fearing that USF is passing us because of two games is ridiculous imo. I could easily argue about branding and athletics revenue in our favor.

We were passed over at a time where our athletics were in a complete rut or certain schools let their personal grievances into the equation. That is likely not the case anymore.
 
KryHavok said:
The tongue in cheek response is that they invested in research to become AAU, they invested in football with a new on campus stadium, and they didn't fumble their last few HC hires like we did before we got Mora. They will leapfrog us when the next Px invite opens up. What is the lesson, invest in your school and football and recruit in hotspots, which USF has a clear advantage.
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USF has the major disadvantage of existing in a saturated college sports market. B12 ain't gonna take them and ACC would have to lose FSU and Miami first

UConn has the advantage of being a large, successful brand in a region lacking in big programs. It's an untapped market with massive potential
 
When the top tier schools are cherry picked from the ACC by the P2 there should be room for both USF and UConn in a reconfigured ACC.
 
cellocgg said:
We have a solid showing against Syracuse in a game we weren't even supposed to win and BY acts like the sky is falling
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respectfully, I said nothing of syracuse and this past weekend.

to clarify, I am saying these guys are ranked. they did it by beating 2 solid football brands back-to-back, whose names carry weight. To me, that is a big deal and something you can absolutely put in your resume book next time your AD calls a P4 conference commish, asking for a sit-down with them.

Even if they lose the ranking later this year, to have gotten it at all is still noteworthy and surely something USF will milk the heck out of, should they be lucky enough to get into a room with the ACC or Big12.
 
Not picking a flight with you, but I think it's myopic to argue about a saturated market considering the multiple Px teams in California and Texas, and it's not a stretch to think Florida can support that too. Regarding our brand, which arguably is the strongest among the non-Px, that brand and untapped market got us NOTHING for the last 15 years in terms of an actual Px invite, especially considering the previous 2 summers coming off our BBall championships. It doesn't matter to the degree you think it does.

We are missing the diamonds in the rough who will give us an edge. Bell is a great WR, but he needs to get the ball. I'm not gonna rail on Fagnano as did well last year, but our offense didn't click when it needed to yesterday when ball control would've seal the game. It's a catch-22 that hampers us: win and the good players will come here, and yesterday's game was a need to win. USF took down Florida, yet last year Maryland shredded us. Our pedigree says Gx but our goal is Px. I've got no solutions other than the point that coaches and players have to feel the urgency that we need wins. I don't care if it's ugly, go out there, gut it out, and don't let the opposing QB light us up for 400 yards in a come from behind win.
 

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