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Neither defense distinguished themselves. Our centerback play was extremely poor, as in, these guys shouldn't be playing in meaningful games until they learn how to mark.

I don't know why the Dutch were so disinterested in the defensive half. They were bad, but I think our speed was a huge problem for them combined with our very direct attacking play. It looks to be a promising attitude to take going forward. Get the ball to an attacking player in the final third as soon as possible. Let them run onto the ball if necessary, they can fly.

I like the look of Morris a lot. College kid with no more than a handful of caps making that kind of impact in limited minutes. Confident on the ball, strong, fast, smart and look to have a nose for finishing. What's not to like. I'd dump Jozy for him right now and live with the results.

Zardes also look like a player, can also fly. Yedlin was also dominant on the wing.

Zardes, Morris, Mix above Bradley could become a nice attacking option. You could also throw Dempsey at the top and these four play under him.

Still not sold on Chandler. Just doesn't look smooth either running or defending. Does better going forward. Maybe he is an answer at defensive midfield.
 
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I just don't see the magic with Mix. He's a connector at best.
 

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I just don't see the magic with Mix. He's a connector at best.

He is the best connector we have at the moment. I don't think he is a world cup level #10. But, he is better than Bradley with the ball at his feet in the final third and better at providing service in the final third in the center of the field. Bradley is much deadlier farther out, delivering those unlocking balls from the middle third. Which is why Bradley is so much better from a deeper lying position.

Like so many US players, Mix is decent at only a portion of the game. If you combined him, Demspey and Bedoya, you'd have a complete attacking player that can distribute, score, and win the ball higher up the pitch that JK's system demands to be successful.
 
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He is the best connector we have at the moment. I don't think he is a world cup level #10. But, he is better than Bradley with the ball at his feet in the final third and better at providing service in the final third in the center of the field. Bradley is much deadlier farther out, delivering those unlocking balls from the middle third. Which is why Bradley is so much better from a deeper lying position.

Like so many US players, Mix is decent at only a portion of the game. If you combined him, Demspey and Bedoya, you'd have a complete attacking player that can distribute, score, and win the ball higher up the pitch that JK's system demands to be successful.

Bradley is a better playmaker AND connector. The problem that JK has is that Bradley is a better #10 than any of the #10s and a better #8 than any of the #8s.

Diskerud is a connector, and not a playmaker. He gets the ball and gets rid of it in 2-3 touches. He also looks out of his depth against the bigger nations. I guess the Netherlands was a good experience for him, but there was a reason Jurgen started Beckerman, Morales and Bradley. Morales seems more like dmid #6 to me.

If I am going 4-3-3 and assuming Jermaine Jones is healthy for the Gold Cup, then I want Danny Williams as the holding mid, Jermaine Jones as Box to Box and Bradley in the most forward role. Danny Williams is really reliable at staying home, which is vital because Jones is going to roam and Bradley is going to start attacks deeper in the field. Another 3 man midfield that would be good is Williams, Bradley and Dempsey.

Jurgen seems intent on keeping Bedoya on the wing or as a shuttler in 4-4-2 diamond.

What I thought was really interesting was Fabian Johnson (best player along with Bradley) on the right wing, and then Yedlin on the right. Johnson went back to play left back. Zardes' goal was mostly perfect service from Fabian Johnson.

I think this summer we'll see Yedlin coming into the game at the 60th minute a great deal. Covering him is a lot to ask for late in the game.
 
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Bradley is a better playmaker AND connector. The problem that JK has is that Bradley is a better #10 than any of the #10s and a better #8 than any of the #8s.

I think this summer we'll see Yedlin coming into the game at the 60th minute a great deal. Covering him is a lot to ask for late in the game.

Bradley is definitely a #8. Jones is historically a #6; but, does he still have enough gas in the tank to be a #6 in international play? Who will be the #6 slot in 2018? the US still lacks a #10 without Donavon (not arguing for or against him, just he was more of a natural #10 that anyone currently on the roster) and prior to him Renya.

Yedlin coming in at 60 minutes would be highly entertaining, assuming that the US is tied or behind and pushing for a goal as his marking capabilities are still somewhat suspect as he covers up a lot of errors with his speed. Some one line him running up and down the line late in the game would likely generate a lot of fouls as the opposing team tries to slow him down. Thus, a key question - who is the US's best set piece hitter right now? JK had brad Davis on the '14 Cup roster as a set piece specialist, which was a huge mistake in my opinion as it kept someone like Eddie Johnson off the roster as a sub for Jozy, which was a desperate need after Jozy went down in Brazil.
 
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Bradley is definitely a #8. Jones is historically a #6; but, does he still have enough gas in the tank to be a #6 in international play? Who will be the #6 slot in 2018? the US still lacks a #10 without Donavon (not arguing for or against him, just he was more of a natural #10 that anyone currently on the roster) and prior to him Renya.

Yedlin coming in at 60 minutes would be highly entertaining, assuming that the US is tied or behind and pushing for a goal as his marking capabilities are still somewhat suspect as he covers up a lot of errors with his speed. Some one line him running up and down the line late in the game would likely generate a lot of fouls as the opposing team tries to slow him down. Thus, a key question - who is the US's best set piece hitter right now? JK had brad Davis on the '14 Cup roster as a set piece specialist, which was a huge mistake in my opinion as it kept someone like Eddie Johnson off the roster as a sub for Jozy, which was a desperate need after Jozy went down in Brazil.

Jones is #8 all the way. Ignore where he lines up. He roams waaaay too much, even when he has played center back in MLS he would get forward.

In a 4-2-3-1 he would be one of the 2s but you had better have someone next to him that stays home because that back line will be exposed. I just don't think you can change the way he plays enough to be reliable, and we're so much better when he can roam anyways. Danny Williams, Beckerman and Perry Kitchen are better choices as a #6. I know on FIFA they list Jones as CDM but he's not. Look at how he lines up with New England. Caldwell stays back and Jones gets to go wherever he wants to destroy and play some devastating through balls.

Matt Doyle describes the US attack best. It's a Dyson Shere and everything revolves around Michael Bradley. There's a reason why Jurgen puts so much on Bradley's shoulders.

http://m.mlssoccer.com/goldcup/2015...e-speed-kills-more-usmnt-win-over-netherlands

As for a US #10. Well, the best American Midfielder in MLS seems to be on the outs with Klinsmann. Of course he's 30, but that doesn't stop Jurgen from calling in a 33 year old Kyle Beckerman. But if you introduce Benny into the mix then maybe he diminishes Bradley's contributions. And Jurgen wants everything to go through Bradley. Which is a concern because he's now a single point of failure.
 

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Found this comment on your link.

Honestly I don’t even know if the USA has an A team anymore, just a bunch of various B teams. I think the USA pool in a lot of way has improved dramatically. However, it has improved primarily in depth. It feels like we have plenty of guys who can play all across the field, but we don’t have the quality starters the best teams have.

Pretty good assessment.

Who starts in the Gold Cup? Guzan, Bradley, probably Dempsey. After that, it's a crap shoot.

At CB - Brooks, Alvarado, Orosco, Besler, Gonzalez?
At LB - Shea, Garza, Johnson?
At RB - Chandler, Yedlin, Johnson?
(might be able to add Cameron, Evans, Ream into the mix???)

with Bradley in the midfield, Jones (if healthy), Beckerman, Williams, Mix, Morales, Corona, Bedoya????

on the wings/MF - Zardes, Johannsson, Agudelo, Morris, Rubin, Bedoya, Yedlin, Johnson, I suppose Zusi is still around??

Up top - Altidore (if healthy), Dempsey, Johannson, Wood, Rubin, Morris???

Does he add in a couple young players from the U-20's? (Hyndman, Zelalem)

No idea what he's gonna do. Luckily the Gold Cup competition won't be at the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Chile level.
 

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meyers7 said:
Found this comment on your link.

Honestly I don’t even know if the USA has an A team anymore, just a bunch of various B teams. I think the USA pool in a lot of way has improved dramatically. However, it has improved primarily in depth. It feels like we have plenty of guys who can play all across the field, but we don’t have the quality starters the best teams have.

Pretty good assessment.

Who starts in the Gold Cup? Guzan, Bradley, probably Dempsey. After that, it's a crap shoot.

At CB - Brooks, Alvarado, Orosco, Besler, Gonzalez?
At LB - Shea, Garza, Johnson?
At RB - Chandler, Yedlin, Johnson?
(might be able to add Cameron, Evans, Ream into the mix???)

with Bradley in the midfield, Jones (if healthy), Beckerman, Williams, Mix, Morales, Corona, Bedoya????

on the wings/MF - Zardes, Johannsson, Agudelo, Morris, Rubin, Bedoya, Yedlin, Johnson, I suppose Zusi is still around??

Up top - Altidore (if healthy), Dempsey, Johannson, Wood, Rubin, Morris???

Does he add in a couple young players from the U-20's? (Hyndman, Zelalem)

No idea what he's gonna do. Luckily the Gold Cup competition won't be at the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Chile level.

Gonzalez, Besler, or Cameron
F Johnson or Shea (not my pick), Garza is good enough for Gold Cup.
Yedlin
Zardes and Morris, but it will be Bedoya and Zusi.

It should be Dempsey, Dempsey and Johansson.
 
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Jones is #8 all the way. Ignore where he lines up. He roams waaaay too much, even when he has played center back in MLS he would get forward.

In a 4-2-3-1 he would be one of the 2s but you had better have someone next to him that stays home because that back line will be exposed. I just don't think you can change the way he plays enough to be reliable, and we're so much better when he can roam anyways. Danny Williams, Beckerman and Perry Kitchen are better choices as a #6. I know on FIFA they list Jones as CDM but he's not. Look at how he lines up with New England. Caldwell stays back and Jones gets to go wherever he wants to destroy and play some devastating through balls.

Matt Doyle describes the US attack best. It's a Dyson Shere and everything revolves around Michael Bradley. There's a reason why Jurgen puts so much on Bradley's shoulders.

http://m.mlssoccer.com/goldcup/2015...e-speed-kills-more-usmnt-win-over-netherlands

As for a US #10. Well, the best American Midfielder in MLS seems to be on the outs with Klinsmann. Of course he's 30, but that doesn't stop Jurgen from calling in a 33 year old Kyle Beckerman. But if you introduce Benny into the mix then maybe he diminishes Bradley's contributions. And Jurgen wants everything to go through Bradley. Which is a concern because he's now a single point of failure.

Fair observation, and I share your concern. Wasn't the egg the US laid in the '98 Cup partially to blame on the fall-out between Wynalda and Harkes, the two key players on that team, and in '06 when Renya went down to an injury in the final round-robin game against Ghana
 
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Found this comment on your link.

Honestly I don’t even know if the USA has an A team anymore, just a bunch of various B teams. I think the USA pool in a lot of way has improved dramatically. However, it has improved primarily in depth. It feels like we have plenty of guys who can play all across the field, but we don’t have the quality starters the best teams have.

Pretty good assessment.

Who starts in the Gold Cup? Guzan, Bradley, probably Dempsey. After that, it's a crap shoot.

At CB - Brooks, Alvarado, Orosco, Besler, Gonzalez?
At LB - Shea, Garza, Johnson?
At RB - Chandler, Yedlin, Johnson?
(might be able to add Cameron, Evans, Ream into the mix???)

with Bradley in the midfield, Jones (if healthy), Beckerman, Williams, Mix, Morales, Corona, Bedoya????

on the wings/MF - Zardes, Johannsson, Agudelo, Morris, Rubin, Bedoya, Yedlin, Johnson, I suppose Zusi is still around??

Up top - Altidore (if healthy), Dempsey, Johannson, Wood, Rubin, Morris???

Does he add in a couple young players from the U-20's? (Hyndman, Zelalem)

No idea what he's gonna do. Luckily the Gold Cup competition won't be at the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Chile level.
Gonzalez, Besler, or Cameron
F Johnson or Shea (not my pick), Garza is good enough for Gold Cup.
Yedlin
Zardes and Morris, but it will be Bedoya and Zusi.

It should be Dempsey, Dempsey and Johansson.


I assume Zusi was not called in because he has been injured most of the season. He started with a recovering stress fracture, then had a groin thing. Had a concussion against DC and he's fully fit as of now. He's looked sharp on Sat against the Sounders, but he had to start as a Center Forward because we're missing so many players.

So I would hope that he at least gets to be one of the 35 that get called in initially. He's a better all around soccer player than Gyasi Zardes, who can't defend and has the first touch of a donkey. We could definitely use a player who is a natural winger who isn't Miguel Ibarra.

Zardes is a #9 to me.

For my money. I want Besler at left center back and Omar on the right. Besler is in great form. I haven't watched Omar lately, but Besler and Omar are the highest scoring center backs in MLS fantasy so there's my scientific analysis.

RB-Chandler or Yedlin. Johnson might be as well. But he's a midfielder now for Borussia Monchengladbach and he kicks ass there.

LB-Shea and Garza (Jurgen wishes Demarcus Beasley would come back according to reports)

Mids is anyone's guess. We never seem to play the same formation twice in a row. It's either 4 center mids in a diamond, 2 in the flat four or 3 in the 4-3-3. All those names are valid.

Dempsey and Altidore are probably the strikers. Beyond that it's a cluster. Aron is a sure thing. Zardes is really a striker who fills in on the wing when we only play one striker. Agudelo less of a sure thing, Morris is probably on the team because Jurgen loves him.

And what about Julian Green?

Jurgen can switch out up to 6 players after the group stage, so this won't be as exclusive.
 
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I assume Zusi was not called in because he has been injured most of the season. He started with a recovering stress fracture, then had a groin thing. Had a concussion against DC and he's fully fit as of now. He's looked sharp on Sat against the Sounders, but he had to start as a Center Forward because we're missing so many players.

So I would hope that he at least gets to be one of the 35 that get called in initially. He's a better all around soccer player than Gyasi Zardes, who can't defend and has the first touch of a donkey. We could definitely use a player who is a natural winger who isn't Miguel Ibarra.

Zardes is a #9 to me.

For my money. I want Besler at left center back and Omar on the right. Besler is in great form. I haven't watched Omar lately, but Besler and Omar are the highest scoring center backs in MLS fantasy so there's my scientific analysis.

RB-Chandler or Yedlin. Johnson might be as well. But he's a midfielder now for Borussia Monchengladbach and he kicks ass there.

LB-Shea and Garza (Jurgen wishes Demarcus Beasley would come back according to reports)

Mids is anyone's guess. We never seem to play the same formation twice in a row. It's either 4 center mids in a diamond, 2 in the flat four or 3 in the 4-3-3. All those names are valid.

Dempsey and Altidore are probably the strikers. Beyond that it's a cluster. Aron is a sure thing. Zardes is really a striker who fills in on the wing when we only play one striker. Agudelo less of a sure thing, Morris is probably on the team because Jurgen loves him.

And what about Julian Green?

Jurgen can switch out up to 6 players after the group stage, so this won't be as exclusive.


One day the US will have a steady, reliable LB.

I think JK wants Brooks to be one o the CB's and if he proves he can track better against Germany, he will be on the Gold Cup roster with Gonzalez and Besler in reserve. I say Chandler as the RB with Yeldin as a plug in when a offensive spark is needed. JK does like youth and I would not be surprised at all to see a U20 player make the Gold Cup Roster - Hyndman and/or Zelalem. if Morris makes the Gold Cup team (over Johansson maybe), then this is more than just an experiment. The kid has a nose for the net, though, which the US needs, and does not seem to let the pressure get to him.
 
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