Updated Net rankings. Guess who's now #1?

[CTtoSanDiego]

I know rankings at this time of the year don't mean much, but the NET rankings are used strongly by the tourney committee, so should be of more interest than the AP top 25. If I remember correctly, LSU was #1 in the last ranking, which was a joke, given all their quad 4 games. They seem to have settled back closer to where they should be, though with only one quad 1, perhaps they should be even lower. I have no argument with the top team.
The link will give you a look at all the info, but this pic summarizes the rankings.
DI Women's Basketball Rankings - NCAA Women's Basketball NET Rankings | NCAA.com

 

[Centerstream]

Slight correction.
LSU was #1 in the first 3 days of rankings but after the December 3rd games, UConn has been #1 every day. The rankings are updated every day now (probably only if games are played?).

 

[Vowelguy]

I know rankings at this time of the year don't mean much, but the NET rankings are used strongly by the tourney committee,

They are used.
I don’t believe I’ve seen any document that says “used STRONGLY.”

I’m not sure it’s clear on HOW they are used. My impression has been that they are a grouping tool — ie, it groups teams into the quads and then the record against those quads is what gets used. More so than the actual ranking itself.

And it’s not just schedule based. Offense/defense efficiency matter too.

 

[Blakeon18]

Let's see:

Iowa ranked #12...10-2 record
Iowa State ranked #16...record 13-0.

Iowa does have a tougher schedule than ISU.
Their 2 losses are to UConn and....Iowa State.

I'd love to hear their reasoning for those rankings.

 

[Centerstream]

Let's see:

Iowa ranked #12...10-2 record
Iowa State ranked #16...record 13-0.

Iowa does have a tougher schedule than ISU.
Their 2 losses are to UConn and....Iowa State.

I'd love to hear their reasoning for those rankings.

I'm no expert but isn't the NET rankings 100 % computer (algorithm) based.
You know, the opposite of GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out). 🙂

 

[HuskyNan]

Let's see:

Iowa ranked #12...10-2 record
Iowa State ranked #16...record 13-0.

Iowa does have a tougher schedule than ISU.
Their 2 losses are to UConn and....Iowa State.

I'd love to hear their reasoning for those rankings.

A lot of Iowa State’s wins are at home vs Quad 4 teams. Iowa has more road wins

 

[PJCLaw]

Let's see:

Iowa ranked #12...10-2 record
Iowa State ranked #16...record 13-0.

Iowa does have a tougher schedule than ISU.
Their 2 losses are to UConn and....Iowa State.

I'd love to hear their reasoning for those rankings.

You just said it, a tougher schedule!

 

[Bone Dog]

I agree with @Vowelguy. There’s no clarity on how NET is used by the tournament seeding committee. But given all the geographical and other considerations, it’s hard to imagine it having much of an impact beyond initial sorting. And even that is probably overstating things.

 

[Bills Fan]

LSU= 11-0 vs. Quad 4 ! Embarrassing .

TCU = not far behind. 10-0 Quad 4

 

[HuskyNan]

LSU= 11-0 vs. Quad 4 ! Embarrassing .

TCU = not far behind. 10-0 Quad 4

Home games:

LSU 6 + 3 road games in New Orleans
TCU 10 of 13
Maryland 10 of 13

 

[EricLA]

LSU= 11-0 vs. Quad 4 ! Embarrassing .

TCU = not far behind. 10-0 Quad 4

I'm curious why you think it's embarrassing. Kim has won 4 NC's (7 if you count the ones she won as a player/assistant at La Tech). I don't deny that it's easy to make fun of that schedule, but if she likes it, the players like it, the opponents keep scheduling games like that, and she continues to be able to recruit at an elite level and compete for NC's, who am I to argue?

I know there are a good number of fans on here who really bemoan the blowouts that we see in the big east schedule, and I'm not sure how LSU fans feel in general, but it's a strategy that has worked very well for her. 🤷‍♂️

 

[FanSince17]

I'm curious why you think it's embarrassing. Kim has won 4 NC's (7 if you count the ones she won as a player/assistant at La Tech). I don't deny that it's easy to make fun of that schedule, but if she likes it, the players like it, the opponents keep scheduling games like that, and she continues to be able to recruit at an elite level and compete for NC's, who am I to argue?

I know there are a good number of fans on here who really bemoan the blowouts that we see in the big east schedule, and I'm not sure how LSU fans feel in general, but it's a strategy that has worked very well for her. 🤷‍♂️

I was driving to a bar to see a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight and I heard an interview with Mike Tyson previewing the fight, and he said it was the fighter's job or responsibility to make the fight exciting. Mayweather was known for his speed and footwork and fighting technical fights without much action. I loved what Tyson said. The bottom line after the welfare of the players is entertainment, performance. As of now Kim ain't entertaining nobody.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

I'm no expert but isn't the NET rankings 100 % computer (algorithm) based.
You know, the opposite of GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out). 🙂

Algorithms are manmade just like AI so there’s no guarantee that you won’t get garbage.

 

[Gael]

I'm curious why you think it's embarrassing. Kim has won 4 NC's (7 if you count the ones she won as a player/assistant at La Tech). I don't deny that it's easy to make fun of that schedule, but if she likes it, the players like it, the opponents keep scheduling games like that, and she continues to be able to recruit at an elite level and compete for NC's, who am I to argue?

I know there are a good number of fans on here who really bemoan the blowouts that we see in the big east schedule, and I'm not sure how LSU fans feel in general, but it's a strategy that has worked very well for her. 🤷‍♂️

Kim has been very open about why she schedules easy OOC opponents early in the season. She has publicly stated the following, which I'm paraphrasing:

1. Kim doesn't believe summers should be devoted to basketball for her student-athletes. Summers should be downtime from basketball and focused on home, family, friends and vacations.

2. Hence, she uses an easy OOC season as her equivalent of a "summer practice" season—her time to experiment with and solidify rotations with very little risk of a loss.

3. Finally, as @EricLA has summarized, Kim says she has been very successful as a winning head coach at Baylor and LSU for 25 years utilizing an easy OOC schedule, so there is absolutely no reason why she should change that routine.

Counting wins in high school as a player, college as a player, the Olympics and other USA basketball as a player, and as an assistant/head coach in college, no person has won more women's basketball games than Kim Mulkey.

 

[FanFromMaine]

They are used.
I don’t believe I’ve seen any document that says “used STRONGLY.”

I’m not sure it’s clear on HOW they are used. My impression has been that they are a grouping tool — ie, it groups teams into the quads and then the record against those quads is what gets used. More so than the actual ranking itself.

And it’s not just schedule based. Offense/defense efficiency matter too.

Wow. You are a tough interpreter. Give us peons a break…

 

[HuskyNan]

Kim has been very open about why she schedules easy OOC opponents early in the season. She has publicly stated the following, which I'm paraphrasing:

1. Kim doesn't believe summers should be devoted to basketball for her student-athletes. Summers should be downtime from basketball and focused on home, family, friends and vacations.

2. Hence, she uses an easy OOC season as her equivalent of a "summer practice" season—her time to experiment with and solidify rotations with very little risk of a loss.

3. Finally, as @EricLA has summarized, Kim says she has been very successful as a winning head coach at Baylor and LSU for 25 years utilizing an easy OOC schedule, so there is absolutely no reason why she should change that routine.

Counting wins in high school as a player, college as a player, the Olympics and other USA basketball as a player, and as an assistant/head coach in college, no person has won more women's basketball games than Kim Mulkey.

She also said something about building chemistry.

Gno schedules difficult games early because the Big East doesn’t help build a resume but also because he wants to know where the team’s weaknesses are so he can find the best way to cover them up as the season progresses. Having the team struggle early pays big dividends come the postseason.

He also likes seeing the players figuring out how to get out of trouble by themselves. Players learn to think through situations. That also results in higher confidence in a player and it builds team chemistry.

I like Geno’s way better

 

[CL82]

Counting wins in high school as a player, college as a player, the Olympics and other USA basketball as a player, and as an assistant/head coach in college, no person has won more women's basketball games than Kim Mulkey.

Really? What about Chris Daily? Diana Taurasi? Sue Bird?

Based on head coaching wins alone Mulkey is 508 behind Geno. That's an awful lot of games to make up via her playing career..

What are the numbers that you are basing this on?

 

[BobbyJ]

Kim has been very open about why she schedules easy OOC opponents early in the season. She has publicly stated the following, which I'm paraphrasing:

1. Kim doesn't believe summers should be devoted to basketball for her student-athletes. Summers should be downtime from basketball and focused on home, family, friends and vacations.

2. Hence, she uses an easy OOC season as her equivalent of a "summer practice" season—her time to experiment with and solidify rotations with very little risk of a loss.

3. Finally, as @EricLA has summarized, Kim says she has been very successful as a winning head coach at Baylor and LSU for 25 years utilizing an easy OOC schedule, so there is absolutely no reason why she should change that routine.

Counting wins in high school as a player, college as a player, the Olympics and other USA basketball as a player, and as an assistant/head coach in college, no person has won more women's basketball games than Kim Mulkey.

Mulkey may say this but she knows it's not the reality. Her players do summer work with trainers and play USA BB like many other college players. And Mulkey utilizes the summer workouts for LSU that the NCAA allows just like UConn, Duke, SC, and every other top program does. She certainly does use the easy OOC schedule to experiment with no risk of losing but the actuality is that she likes to win a lot of games and pad the record.

 

[darkstar1]

Let's see:

Iowa ranked #12...10-2 record
Iowa State ranked #16...record 13-0.

Iowa does have a tougher schedule than ISU.
Their 2 losses are to UConn and....Iowa State.

I'd love to hear their reasoning for those rankings.

My guess would be tougher schedule and the loss to Iowa State was 1 basket at Iowa state and could have gone either way. Schedule over basically even head to head?

 

[BobbyJ]

Really? What about Chris Daily? Diana Taurasi? Sue Bird?

Based on head coaching wins alone Mulkey is 508 behind Geno. That's an awful lot of games to make up via her playing career..

What are the numbers that you are basing this on?

Yeah, she's not close to Auriemma and Dailey. Counting her HS and Jr HS games might get her a little closer.

 

[my2cents]

If you have a system that's based on numbers and Texas' numbers are better than South Carolina's, SC can not be ahead of Texas.

 

[Bigboote]

Really? What about Chris Daily? Diana Taurasi? Sue Bird?

Based on head coaching wins alone Mulkey is 508 behind Geno. That's an awful lot of games to make up via her playing career..

CD had a pretty good playing career, too. Rutgers won an AIAW championship when she was playing.

 

[The CDR-Ret]

A lot of Iowa State’s wins are at home vs Quad 4 teams. Iowa has more road wins

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It is hard to believe that LSU with only two wins vs. Quads 1-3 is at #5, when only eight of the undefeated 12 are in the top 20. Do the four undefeated teams have less than 2 wins in the quads #1-3, or does last year's records/NCAA finishes still hold sway in this algorithm?

Not that I'm concerned with any teams other than the continued growth in UConn's team success...

Go Huskies!!!

 

[Centerstream]

Counting wins in high school as a player, college as a player, the Olympics and other USA basketball as a player, and as an assistant/head coach in college, no person has won more women's basketball games than Kim Mulkey.

That's some stretching to do in trying to prove your point. However if I ever see these stats quoted in a nationally televised LSU game that also states she has won more women's basketball games than anyone else, I will be quiet*.
BTW if you were to change your stats to the men, who has won the most games?

*Wikipedia doesn't count because most anyone can edit it.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

That's some stretching to do in trying to prove your point. However if I ever see these stats quoted in a nationally televised LSU game that also states she has won more women's basketball games than anyone else, I will be quiet*.
BTW if you were to change your stats to the men, who has won the most games?

*Wikipedia doesn't count because most anyone can edit it.

lol. Also left out her NBA 2k wins.