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Sluconn Husky said:
2023 UConn POI:

38-Groot
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I like Groot. Decent reach.

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DEpup said:
With so much basketball canceled over the past year, how much stock can we put in these rankings? They were already subjective to begin with. Wouldn't players who haven't gotten to play much due to COVID at a huge disadvantage?
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This new posting, not sure but I think the next update after the summer season should help clarify things. With FIBA competitions and the AAU circuit back in full swing, I'm sure a lot of these kids are going to be seen by the evaluators.
 
Stanford recruiting if they repeat this yr which will be very hard they might have a dynasty going
 
kat0189 said:

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Is it me? Or do these rankers have an uncanny way of upgrading kids who've committed to UConn, because they know that if Coach Geno thinks they're that talented, they really must be?

I get a feeling I know who's reacting to whom...
 
Fairfield Fan said:
Is it me? Or do these rankers have an uncanny way of upgrading kids who've committed to UConn, because they know that if Coach Geno thinks they're that talented, they really must be?

I get a feeling I know who's reacting to whom...
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Patterson and Brady have both been highly ranked since before committing to UConn. But I get what you're saying, and I agree. Mir McLean rose greatly after she committed.
 
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wolfe613 said:
Stanford recruiting if they repeat this yr which will be very hard they might have a dynasty going
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Not likely with UCONN and South Carolina's talent easily matching Stanford's!
 
Fairfield Fan said:
Is it me? Or do these rankers have an uncanny way of upgrading kids who've committed to UConn, because they know that if Coach Geno thinks they're that talented, they really must be?

I get a feeling I know who's reacting to whom...
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Most online recruiting services like to imply that they are skilled as talent evaluators to a point where they function autonomously in that area, but mostly 90-95% of their evals are simply based on how much recruiting attention prospects get from college programs, and how big/successful those programs are. So its a pretty reactive things based on that.

They try to learn from behind-the-scenes discussions with coaches with those big programs (which does not happen that often) what those coaches look for in prospects, and then try to apply that knowledge in their own evals early in the process to sort of guess that certain prospects will have "it" that will ultimately render a ton of major offers.

But they always keep their eyes on the top recruiters. Alabama has enjoyed this "phenomenon" in recruiting for years now in college football: prospects that get offered by them jump up in the ratings, and when they commit to them suddenly become top 10 "blue chips". If they de-commit from Alabama for reasons that lean towards Alabama choosing to recruit over them and tell them to start looking elsewhere, then they somehow plummet in the ratings. I'm sure these online site evaluators regard Connecticut the same way with WBB.....
 
Sluconn Husky said:
In the case of those five it's based off social media follows by UConn coaches.

There's a recruit thread you know? ;)


Edit: Actually, I think interest in Edwards is based on a local article, the rest on social media.
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Hugh thanks to you Sluconn Husky, in awe of the dedication and work you put in to help us stay informed on the recruiting scene. I look at Hoop Gurlz most days but learn much more from your posts and videos. I know from posts that there are many more who appreciate your efforts as well.
Also a big thanks to all your contemporaries CocoHusky, Vowelguy, MilfordHusky and all you others for keeping us in the know on what I feel is the most important day to day info on recruiting there is to be had.
Hats off to all of you.
 
MooseJaw said:
Hugh thanks to you Sluconn Husky, in awe of the dedication and work you put in to help us stay informed on the recruiting scene. I look at Hoop Gurlz most days but learn much more from your posts and videos. I know from posts that there are many more who appreciate your efforts as well.
Also a big thanks to all your contemporaries Cocoa Husky, Vowelguy, MilfordHusky and all you others for keeping us in the know on what I feel is the most important day to day info on recruiting there is to be had.
Hats off to all of you.
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Thank you, and we can now change something I said above as CD just started following Joyce Edwards #1 at ESPN on social media today.
 
ConwayGmck said:
Most online recruiting services like to imply that they are skilled as talent evaluators to a point where they function autonomously in that area, but mostly 90-95% of their evals are simply based on how much recruiting attention prospects get from college programs, and how big/successful those programs are. So its a pretty reactive things based on that.

They try to learn from behind-the-scenes discussions with coaches with those big programs (which does not happen that often) what those coaches look for in prospects, and then try to apply that knowledge in their own evals early in the process to sort of guess that certain prospects will have "it" that will ultimately render a ton of major offers.

But they always keep their eyes on the top recruiters. Alabama has enjoyed this "phenomenon" in recruiting for years now in college football: prospects that get offered by them jump up in the ratings, and when they commit to them suddenly become top 10 "blue chips". If they de-commit from Alabama for reasons that lean towards Alabama choosing to recruit over them and tell them to start looking elsewhere, then they somehow plummet in the ratings. I'm sure these online site evaluators regard Connecticut the same way with WBB.....
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There's that aspect for one. It also seems like they tie some of their evaluations/rankings to the events they host. Evaluations from one group (e.g. Prime Events - who now does HoopGurlz) may seem skewed based on who they "really" saw versus being independent and working nationwide.
 
connboy77 said:
Not likely with UCONN and South Carolina's talent easily matching Stanford's!
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yes like I said it is going to be very hard but name me a team who has more depth, more experience(title experience), and talent like Stanford? I'll put them up with anyone, them and SC my faves
 
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wolfe613 said:
yes like I said it is going to be very hard but name me a team who has more depth, more experience(title experience), and talent like Stanford? I'll put them up with anyone, them and SC my faves
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Can you clarify what your definition of title experience means? Using national titles as the basis for comparison doesn't make sense because I think that's more about the coaches than the players.

When I'm thinking of Stanford, a good chunk of their key players for this title joined the team in 2019 or 2020. The 2019/2020 tournament never happened. I'm not sure how this fits into your argument.
 
cancontent said:
Can you clarify what your definition of title experience means? Using national titles as the basis for comparison doesn't make sense because I think that's more about the coaches than the players.

When I'm thinking of Stanford, a good chunk of their key players for this title joined the team in 2019 or 2020. The 2019/2020 tournament never happened. I'm not sure how this fits into your argument.
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because playing in a championship game and winning it is an advantage? You think Uconn(this current roster) knows what it's like to be in that situation, they haven't shown it.
 
wolfe613 said:
because playing in a championship game and winning it is an advantage? You think Uconn(this current roster) knows what it's like to be in that situation, they haven't shown it.
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Can't use the term "current roster" when projecting the 2021-2022 season. We're now looking at how teams look on paper until they hit the court. And looking at the rosters for the programs coming in, it's anyone's guess who will come out on top this season.

Stanford may have an advantage of winning the championship game. On the flip side, UCONN, South Carolina, and Arizona also have the experience of what it was like to be that close and not win. Those experiences can help teams just as much as winning a championship can for Stanford. In some cases, it adds fuel to the motivation.

There are too many examples in sports where previous championship experience didn't make a difference in the end, be it in WBB, MBB, NFL football, NBA basketball, etc. "One and Done" tournaments make it even harder to predict.
 
cancontent said:
Can't use the term "current roster" when projecting the 2021-2022 season. We're now looking at how teams look on paper until they hit the court. And looking at the rosters for the programs coming in, it's anyone's guess who will come out on top this season.

Stanford may have an advantage of winning the championship game. On the flip side, UCONN, South Carolina, and Arizona also have the experience of what it was like to be that close and not win. Those experiences can help teams just as much as winning a championship can for Stanford. In some cases, it adds fuel to the motivation.

There are too many examples in sports where previous championship experience didn't make a difference in the end, be it in WBB, MBB, NFL football, NBA basketball, etc. "One and Done" tournaments make it even harder to predict.
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whoever starts for Uconn will not have a ntl title is the point I am making. Stanford brings back everyone basically and this was with me expecting them to not have Anna Wilson back and now that she is back just gives them an even bigger edge
 
I could argue that Stanford has the best chemistry, Uconn has the best talent, Maryland has the most intimidating offence, and South Carolina and Baylor are best at imposing their style of play. They seem to be the main contenders.
 
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kat0189 said:
Hannah Stines from California debuts at #33 and article says Stanford is recruiting her (elsewhere it sounds like Stanford might not be in the mix for Rice anymore).
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Curious where you heard that Stanford is not in the mix on Rice anymore. If so, that’s pretty big news considering that many had expected that she would end up in Palo Alto.
 
kat0189 said:
Some on the Cardinal Board WBB Recruiting section believe this based on social media messages/connections (or lack there of).
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Well, considering that Rice would be a wonderful addition to UConn’s 2022 Class, I’ll consider that good news.
 
oldude said:
Curious where you heard that Stanford is not in the mix on Rice anymore. If so, that’s pretty big news considering that many had expected that she would end up in Palo Alto.
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That is big news and good news for Uconn fans if true. When you go after one of the top ranked players, get to the short list, and then miss out it really hurts. When they pick one of your most likely challengers for a championship, then that makes the pain many times worse. When we lost out on Boston and Jones it hurt us a lot, but also elevated SC and Stanford to near our level.

My first hope in recruiting is our success, but with the ones that get away the last thing I want to hear is Stanford, South Carolina, Maryland, Oregon, North Carolina State, or Louisville, at least this year. I know the player will pick a very good team, just hope it is not the very top tier in most competition with us.
 
oldhuskie said:
That is big news and good news for Uconn fans if true. When you go after one of the top ranked players, get to the short list, and then miss out it really hurts. When they pick one of your most likely challengers for a championship, then that makes the pain many times worse. When we lost out on Boston and Jones it hurt us a lot, but also elevated SC and Stanford to near our level.

My first hope in recruiting is our success, but with the ones that get away the last thing I want to hear is Stanford, South Carolina, Maryland, Oregon, North Carolina State, or Louisville, at least this year. I know the player will pick a very good team, just hope it is not the very top tier in most competition with us.
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While Stanford fans are feeling pessimistic about Rice, they are pointing at Kara Lawson and Duke as her likely landing spot. Certainly from a geographic standpoint Duke is a lot closer to home and, to the degree that strong academics are a part of Rice’s criteria, Duke fits the bill. Hopefully, Geno can redirect Rice further north.
 
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Fairfield Fan said:
Is it me? Or do these rankers have an uncanny way of upgrading kids who've committed to UConn, because they know that if Coach Geno thinks they're that talented, they really must be?

I get a feeling I know who's reacting to whom...
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Yes. No it's just you not paying close enough attention. There have been plenty of players who fell in the ranking AFTER committing to UCONN. For UCONN class of 2021 both Amari DeBerry and Saylor Poffenbarger fell in the ranking after committing to UCONN. Caroline Ducharme rose drastically and and Azzi Fudd stayed the same despite a major injury. A UCONN commitment is almost always incidental to other factors for a players rise or fall in the rankings such as injury, and most importantly performance. BTW the performance angle (ups and down) is covered pretty thoroughly in the recruiting thread.
There was also a pretty drastic shift in ESPN rankings about 6 months ago due to ESPN merging with Premier Basketball= completely different set of raters for the same publications (ESPN).
 
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