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UNC academic case finally reaches NCAA infractions hearing

I've moved on. I'll read the eventual outcome, but it doesn't really matter. Whatever the penalty is, UNC will be in the same place academically and athletically within a couple years.

UNC is, or is perceived to be, a great school that kids want to go to. Half of the kids (boys and girls) in my town wear UNC gear. No non-academia individual cares about this scandal in determining whether to go to UNC.

Athletically, I agree with Roy Williams that the biggest penalty that the NCAA has given UNC is uncertainty. If I'm a recruit, I'm skeptical of UNC knowing that they may get penalized while I'm there. Once the penalty is given, UNC may struggle for a couple years if there are significant scholarship reductions and/or post season bans, but they'll rise right back to their high level shortly thereafter.

What UNC did was reprehensible, and I don't blame people for wanting the NCAA to take a pound of flesh, but I don't believe it's going to impact UNC for very long.
 
Chuck said:
I've moved on. I'll read the eventual outcome, but it doesn't really matter. Whatever the penalty is, UNC will be in the same place academically and athletically within a couple years.

UNC is, or is perceived to be, a great school that kids want to go to. Half of the kids (boys and girls) in my town wear UNC gear. No non-academia individual cares about this scandal in determining whether to go to UNC.

Athletically, I agree with Roy Williams that the biggest penalty that the NCAA has given UNC is uncertainty. If I'm a recruit, I'm skeptical of UNC knowing that they may get penalized while I'm there. Once the penalty is given, UNC may struggle for a couple years if there are significant scholarship reductions and/or post season bans, but they'll rise right back to their high level shortly thereafter.

What UNC did was reprehensible, and I don't blame people for wanting the NCAA to take a pound of flesh, but I don't believe it's going to impact UNC for very long.
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They should get the death penalty.

20 years of lack of institutional control at best, and flat out fraud at worst.

The NCAA would survive without UNC, but in general, people are stupid and will believe that UNC is too big to fail.
 
Transcript of hearing:

Roy Williams: "Aw, gee golly shucks guys, I don't know anything about anything!"

Mark Emmert: "That's good enough for us, Roy Boy...case closed!"
 
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raf46 said:
will stonewall for another two years. Atleast !
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... by announcing that a decision is premature because they done even more than was discovered by the NCAA.

What the heck right? If something works you stick with it.
 
jayfromfla said:
the harshness of the penalty for UCONN for one season of not meeting the GPA level because 3 BB players left school without finishing their curriculum vs UNC and 20 years of academic fraud to keep players eligible ?
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This.

I'm fully prepare to be apoplectic about this.
 
Not getting my hopes up that they get slammed it is after all the NCAA with Emmert..... leading the way. There is only a few schools that get away with this and Unc is one of them.
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CL82 said:
This.

I'm fully prepare to be apoplectic about this.
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Anything less than the death penalty and I'll be there.
 
UNC is not getting the death penalty. If that is what you want you will be disappointed. Maybe they get banned for a year and lose a couple of scholarships. Maybe they get the most meaningless penalty of all--vacating wins. The games are over and everybody knows the results. Claiming UNC didn't win but neither did their opponents is at best silly and no real penalty at all.
 
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freescooter said:
UNC is not getting the death penalty. If that is what you want you will be disappointed. Maybe they get banned for a year and lose a couple of scholarships. Maybe they get the most meaningless penalty of all--vacating wins. The games are over and everybody knows the results. Claiming UNC didn't win but neither did their opponents is at best silly and no real penalty at all.
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I agree in theory. I believe they do have to give back the money they got from those as well, so I guess it's more about hitting them in the wallet and about the coaches legacy and taking away those titles.
 
freescooter said:
UNC is not getting the death penalty. If that is what you want you will be disappointed. Maybe they get banned for a year and lose a couple of scholarships. Maybe they get the most meaningless penalty of all--vacating wins. The games are over and everybody knows the results. Claiming UNC didn't win but neither did their opponents is at best silly and no real penalty at all.
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I'll be disappointed then.

Cause they deserve that and nothing less.

Not even a shred less.
 
There has only been 1 death penalty case and quite honestly it was way worse than what UNC did. SMU paid players while it was on probation for paying players and the Board of trustees facilitated it. And the impact was awful. It took 20? years before they had another winning season. The NCAA will never do it again.
 
My prediction is this will drag out long enough for Emmert to step down & then the new guy in-charge will give UNC a slap on the wrist stating he's not going to comment on how his predecessor handled things in the past & he's looking forward.
 
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Sky ball said:
Good Read: What UNC and the NCAA are likely discussing behind closed doors in Nashville
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Talk about playing for sympathy - Hatchell's dress looks like a concentration camp uniform.
HATCHELL AND SMITH.jpg
 
freescooter said:
There has only been 1 death penalty case and quite honestly it was way worse than what UNC did. SMU paid players while it was on probation for paying players and the Board of trustees facilitated it. And the impact was awful. It took 20? years before they had another winning season. The NCAA will never do it again.
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I must disagree with you that giving students benefits is worse than the infractions here. In this case the university stole from the students; UNC deprived them of meaningful education and diluted its own academics, thereby tarnishing all students not just the athletes who took that course. That this occurred in full view of the administration, and that it was done ostensibly to benefit the athletic program, severe punishment is warranted. I do not expect it to happen, but that such severe punishment impaired another school is irrelevant. They deserve to have the entire athletic program placed on probation for many years and use that time to demonstrate a good faith effort to remediate and improve.
 
CL82 said:
Throw in the vacation of couple of natties in there and I'm on board.
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Agreed. If the Jefferson Co. CC loses its 2013 natty for hookers, UNC should lose two for something that's apparently been going on systematically for almost 20 years. Their defense is based on their assertion that these gut courses were available to the entire student body. If they convince anybody at the NCAA of that, then the whole organization is more corrupt than anybody already thinks it is. They purposely didn't list these courses in any universal sense for all UNC students to enroll in, because if they had they'd have maxed out on registration day in about five minutes. Who wouldn't want to sign up for a course with a guaranteed high grade just for turning in a term paper? Filling the class up with non-athletes would have not kept enough space open for the athletes. The idea that nobody in the athletic dept. knew what was going on is preposterous.

What about the professors involved that "taught" these classes? What do they have to say about awarding automatic high grades for very little student effort?
 
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boba said:
I must disagree with you that giving students benefits is worse than the infractions here. In this case the university stole from the students; UNC deprived them of meaningful education and diluted its own academics, thereby tarnishing all students not just the athletes who took that course. That this occurred in full view of the administration, and that it was done ostensibly to benefit the athletic program, severe punishment is warranted. I do not expect it to happen, but that such severe punishment impaired another school is irrelevant. They deserve to have the entire athletic program placed on probation for many years and use that time to demonstrate a good faith effort to remediate and improve.
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Totally agree.

That said, I bet the Pony Express was wracked with academic fraud as well.
 
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