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I love the fact that he ends by blaming the corporate leaders, not the kids :-). Passing the blame, he's a true millennial himself. Seriously, this is good and provocative, but still pop analysis: in the end he blames charging the phones in their bedrooms; jeez. BTW, Sinek is a professional motivational speaker: it's his shtick.

We live in the second, and far more successful modern globalization (1st modern attempt in the 1890s shut down by a series of wars and economic depressions), and because of recent technology, this one seems to stick. As a result, there are so many moving parts to our society that it will take a generation or more to figure out where we are today and where we are going. Fun to speculate and blame, but we are cursed or blessed with living in one of those "ages of anxiety" where everything is in motion and soft ground.
 
My grandson just turned 1 year old. We have him every Saturday and in his car seat he has a play cell phone that he absolutely loves and plays with on the ride to and from our house. When we put him in to his playpen, he has a toy laptop, tablet, and Kindle. He has the same type of toys at home, 90% of them are electronic/computer related. I am guessing that once he is able to walk, and as he grows older and goes to school, the only time he is going to be outside is when he's walking to and from a car or School Bus and this is probably going to be typical of the average child in the United States from now on.
 
bags27 said:
I love the fact that he ends by blaming the corporate leaders, not the kids :). Passing the blame, he's a true millennial himself. Seriously, this is good and provocative, but still pop analysis: in the end he blames charging the phones in their bedrooms; jeez. BTW, Sinek is a professional motivational speaker: it's his shtick.

We live in the second, and far more successful modern globalization (1st modern attempt in the 1890s shut down by a series of wars and economic depressions), and because of recent technology, this one seems to stick. As a result, there are so many moving parts to our society that it will take a generation or more to figure out where we are today and where we are going. Fun to speculate and blame, but we are cursed or blessed with living in one of those "ages of anxiety" where everything is in motion and soft ground.
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Would it be better hearing it from Geno or CD... it's their shtick as well
 
DaddyChoc said:
and this was passed down to your children as well... I think they were saying not your generation but your kids. We try to make it easy as possible for our kids and if we dont, they give up and just become pouty adults with a few monkeys on their shoulders
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As far as I can tell, there have been a number of generations impugned by various posts on this thread. My objection was to a post specifically directed at the "Greatest Generation" which of course refers to the generation that came of age during WWII, chronicled in Tom Brockaw's book by the same name.
 
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oldude said:
As far as I can tell, there have been a number of generations impugned by various posts on this thread. My objection was to a post specifically directed at the "Greatest Generation" which of course refers to the generation that came of age during WWII, chronicled in Tom Brockaw's book by the same name.
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oh... yeah every generation got * with them, sign of the times. We adjust with change or we'll be grumpy for the rest of our lives
 
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This past school year, I showed this video to each of my high school classes. One class got very defensive, but the others were in agreement. They wanted to, but also didn't know how to, make changes, especially with regard to their desire for immediate gratification through technology. I think they are as trapped by the technology as they are dependent upon it. They want it to be different, but are terrified of its being different.
 
I have to add, and I'm not going to get highly specific, that I heard an interesting take on all this and its impact to mainstream religions, etc. We are visiting NJ and this morning worshiped and visited with the Pastor where my wife worked before her disability. The pastor pointed out that this is, in her opinion and that of various writers, another "reformation" - they come along every 500 years or so. Not just religion, just as Luther and the protestant reformation were part of a greater time period, including the invention of the printing press, European discovery of America, etc.

Her take is that we have to be prepared for "everything" to change as the younger folk become the mainstream. She said she frankly doesn't expect things like the church where she is pastor to still be around "looking like it does now" in 50 years. Millennials and younger folk are not "bad", just different. She was talking about how they want to go out and do good, but they don't want to come and sit and listen to the trappings of main-stream church service.

I agree that with all the challenges presented by world change - particularly the growth of social media - the younger generation(s) have faced entirely different challenges to adapt to. And if helicopter parents and such have been issues, well, I don't really think anyone had or has a blueprint for how the world is developing and changing on a rapid basis.
 
Sargassoc said:
This past school year, I showed this video to each of my high school classes. One class got very defensive, but the others were in agreement. They wanted to, but also didn't know how to, make changes, especially with regard to their desire for immediate gratification through technology. I think they are as trapped by the technology as they are dependent upon it. They want it to be different, but are terrified of its being different.
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I'll bet at least half of them were looking at the cell phone in their lap while the video played.
 
donalddoowop said:
That is just one reason I stopped coaching and officiating. ESPN focusing on players showing off does not help either.
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And constantly showing the coaches "working" the officials makes them think they should be doing it too. Even when they don't know the damn rules.
 
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HoopsFan21 said:
ITT: Get off my lawn!!!!!!!
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Kids these days!

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bags27 said:
If we are generalizing beyond female student-athletes to the whole generation, I tend to agree with Oldude. I do think we parents have a lot to answer for when it comes to this clearly more anxious, approval-seeking generation.

But also:
1. The economic collapse of 2008 was deeply traumatic, and the world is far, far from out of the woods on that. And meanwhile, the transformation of the economy, with robots replacing people, undermines the essential worth of work, and yet puts tremendous stress on kids to get the "best" education and be most competitive.
2. the social media revolution, which offers electronic community over real community, and public display of a perfect life or experience obligatory, therefore maybe makes the need to make real connections to us parents even greater.

I was reading a semi-biographical novel last night of interwar (WW I and II) Austria, and the author, Stefan Zweig, was calling the period the greatest transformation in recent history. It got me thinking that this "greatest transformation" actually occurs more often than we think. Probably, we're going through the greatest one since the 1950s/60s right now, with economic, global, and technological changes creating a whole lot of stress. But unlike us 1960s kids who defied our parents, these kids want to please us. I honestly don't know if we can say one is "better" or "worse" or what that even means. It will take 30 years or so to know.
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90 percent agree with this---10 percent ????. The upheaval between WW's in Austria and German was beyond what Americans, of the time could conceive. It was not great in the USA for some--for some pretty good--for some wonderful--(can only speak for the not good at all during that time). What's interesting, sometimes near starvation, we though we were doing good.
I know you were speaking of groups you may have known during the 60's but not all defied their parents--or all through the 60's--.
I am more than pleased with "don't know if we can say one is better or worse--that is pure Bags27-- I can say as a parent of a group of those 60's kids--MOST, not all, exceeded expectations --from my Dad who started working , in Connectict, full time at age 10 , i.e. no school--they were worlds apart in nearly every aspect--except maybe religion
 
Why do I remember that, while I was growing up in the 1950's and 60's, I continually heard the oldsters of that era say exactly the same things about us that are being said in this thread?

I suspect that there is far less disparity between kids then and kids now than some seem to think, and that one thing that will never change is that people in their 60's and 70's will view kids in their teens and 20's as spoiled and "entitled" (whatever word they may use for that in each generation).

I prefer to celebrate the fact that we UConn basketball fans get to observe players like Napheesa, KLS, Kia, Crystal, and Gabby (and in the recent past, players such as Morgan Tuck, Moriah Jefferson, Caroline Doty, Stef Dolson, and Kelly Faris) whose parents raised them "the right way" and who show that in their behavior on the court and (to the extent we observe it) off the court as well. I know that Geno says it is harder to find those personalities than ever before, but I'm skeptical of that. After all, he is part of the generation that is prone to make such observations.

And, may I add, it is not just UConn players who show these traits. I would point to Notre Dame and Stanford as two other programs who seem to recruit and produce athletes who are physically skilled but also of exemplary character (in the great majority of cases). I am SO impressed by both Ogwumike sisters, and there are many other examples.
 
bags27 said:
We live in the second, and far more successful modern globalization (1st modern attempt in the 1890s shut down by a series of wars and economic depressions), and because of recent technology, this one seems to stick. As a result, there are so many moving parts to our society that it will take a generation or more to figure out where we are today and where we are going. Fun to speculate and blame, but we are cursed or blessed with living in one of those "ages of anxiety" where everything is in motion and soft ground.
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Interesting, I was just reading (or watching, can't remember) something on how the last "globalization" brought us to the 1st World War and subsequent wars and if this current "globalization" might do the same. Their hypothesis is that it would. Hmmm, wish I remembered where I saw that. Interesting.
 
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Sargassoc said:
This past school year, I showed this video to each of my high school classes. One class got very defensive, but the others were in agreement. They wanted to, but also didn't know how to, make changes, especially with regard to their desire for immediate gratification through technology. I think they are as trapped by the technology as they are dependent upon it. They want it to be different, but are terrified of its being different.
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Doesn't really matter the age, "different" is usually scary to most people.
 
meyers7 said:
Interesting, I was just reading (or watching, can't remember) something on how the last "globalization" brought us to the 1st World War and subsequent wars and if this current "globalization" might do the same. Their hypothesis is that it would. Hmmm, wish I remembered where I saw that. Interesting.
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World War 1 was a result, to the greatest part, of ancient fudal hatred among countries. German's were aggressive, at war or conflict with France and Poland among others. Gemany, England, France, Spain, Dutch, all had fingers (arms and legs) into the "new world' , Africa,
and Asia---and were not nice conquerers--- hard for me to say Globalization. As for the U.S. gettting in the WW1, it was pure stupidity.
The war didn't REALLY need US personnel on the ground--they needed our armorment. We lost nearly 100,000 in abt 5 months of actual combat. WW1 wasted human life--
 
DaddyChoc said:
and now we should understand Diamond even more
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Well of course. Diamond told Holly she was not returning in a text message. So efficient, no muss, no fuss. So iGen.
 
I taught Elementary Physical Education from 1970 to 2000. The first 3 years in MO and the last 27 in East Lyme, CT. I was also the HS Wrestling coach and I "coached" Physical Education, I didn't teach it!
I was as tough and hard-nose as any teacher in the system! I rarely smiled during classes and geared my classes to teaching them varied activities with emphasis on student safety. I came down the hardest on those that did something without thinking that wound up hurting another student!
A day or two before the last day, classes came by to say goodbye and they always had questions to ask me, the best one, was a 4th grade class asked me if I had any teeth? I taught them through Kindergarten 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th grades and they never saw me smile once! I showed them my teeth and explained that in 27 years in East Lyme I had 2 kids get hurt, one girl was doing pushups slipped and chipped a tooth on the floor, and the other was a girl who tripped going over a low hurdle and landed wrong breaking her wrist! I asked them if they remembered seeing a student in class or on the playground doing something stupid that hurt themselves or another student and they all shook their heads yes, telling me what they saw.
I said I felt I had an obligation to send them home as they came to school that morning, on their feet!
When I see kids I taught back then and are in their 20's or 30's or older, I am amazed that they tell me I was one of their favorite teachers and they loved coming to my gym 2x a week! They say they knew I cared and I was tough but fair to all the students!
It really made me feel good that the kids appreciated my actions!
Kids want structure and discipline as long as it's fairly applied!
 
cohenzone said:
My wife and I do workshops basically aimed at foster kids, where the so-called adult success rate is about 4% and for those who go on to higher education, the drop outvrate is over 90%. The main emphasis is that the kids need to be taught to develop "grit" which means the ability to stick with something through adversity, knowing that success typically is not immediate.

Of course it's more than just that and foster kids there a lot of other issues beyond the usual maturation issues. But the broader point is applicable to all kids. It is definitely an instant gratification, short attention span world now. And the social media absolutely works against developing independence and self-reliance.

Is the issue identified for women hoopsrers any different from
male hoopstets? How much greater is the drop out or transfer rate than within the overall student population? Do kids in general call home more? When I went to UConn decades ago, it had a reputation as a suitcase school, kids often heading home for the weekend, something I rarely did even though I had a close relationship with my family. Called home maybe once a week and valued the social life at school. So a lot of students even in the 1960s stayed pretty tied to mom and dad.
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So your point on Instant Gratification---is??? Is it the parent, lack of parent (because loads with or with out them want "it" NOW), Society, School, you, me, --what fosters the idea--what makes the idea a demand?
I can go back a number of generations and many of those, especially the girls, were tied to the home and family. My Dad, used and (by todays mentality) abused--jumped when his father told him to --nearly to the death of his father--and honored his mom. Family as we know it --isn't anywhere near what it was----
The son of a Federal Judge--back 30 years ago--from a tiny tot --learned to control his mom --when she went out --she had to bring him a "prize or she had to put up with a tantrum--the Judge put up with this --and went off ever work day to send all kinds of people to jail. They lived across the hall from us in a PR Condo. Go figure.
 
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RSHERMVIKES said:
I taught Elementary Physical Education from 1970 to 2000. The first 3 years in MO and the last 27 in East Lyme, CT. I was also the HS Wrestling coach and I "coached" Physical Education, I didn't teach it!
I was as tough and hard-nose as any teacher in the system! I rarely smiled during classes and geared my classes to teaching them varied activities with emphasis on student safety. I came down the hardest on those that did something without thinking that wound up hurting another student!
A day or two before the last day, classes came by to say goodbye and they always had questions to ask me, the best one, was a 4th grade class asked me if I had any teeth? I taught them through Kindergarten 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th grades and they never saw me smile once! I showed them my teeth and explained that in 27 years in East Lyme I had 2 kids get hurt, one girl was doing pushups slipped and chipped a tooth on the floor, and the other was a girl who tripped going over a low hurdle and landed wrong breaking her wrist! I asked them if they remembered seeing a student in class or on the playground doing something stupid that hurt themselves or another student and they all shook their heads yes, telling me what they saw.
I said I felt I had an obligation to send them home as they came to school that morning, on their feet!
When I see kids I taught back then and are in their 20's or 30's or older, I am amazed that they tell me I was one of their favorite teachers and they loved coming to my gym 2x a week! They say they knew I cared and I was tough but fair to all the students!
It really made me feel good that the kids appreciated my actions!
Kids want structure and discipline as long as it's fairly applied!
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You sure tickled my heart strings---Nice story---I hardly know you and --you are my favorite poster.
You have H.E.A.R.T. !!!! ( I think I heard that from a DAMN Yankee) THANK YOU RSHERM!! \

I started out wanting to be an Elementary School teacher--they are tougher than I thought--HS kids are wise crackers--generally they can be handled without tears--
 
bags27 said:
From my post above, you can see that I don't dispute some of the broad characterizations of this generation.

But let's remember that this very board is part of the problem. We focus on teenagers (even commenting on 9th graders), following their twitter accounts, worrying over which potential college comes first on their tweets or what college t-shirt they're wearing that day, etc. etc. And then we, as does the rest of society, lionize the college players well beyond their actual social importance. Kids used to grow up pretty much unobserved, and yes, we are right to say that they are now self-conscience and self-promoting. But aren't we all participating in making that so?
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Why must I always have something to say on your intelligent logical postings. If you read not reed the By this past spring and nearly up to current time---most hardly breathed for fear of losing Walker--Now Sam B and Collier are the new gods (lower case god) gift to WBB. And all of which you write is on target---I just wondered--
--isn't this just a progression to flash to the digital world--our hs, college hero (as minor as they maybe) get their name and faces in every kind of media making them to be emulated , sought after, compared to them Ike was a pike-er.
This is not a COMMENT more of a question for your knowledge and intellect to be used
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I don't dispute the belief the characteristics attributed to "this" generation is generally believed. Much of what you say is accurate--but as much as we may not like it--they didn't create it. I have a dozen theories on this --none of which I'll separate from my debilitated brain. You must remember some theologians say: God created Man, Women, Children in His/Her image That has long reaching implications.
 
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