UConn's proposed 2015 BE Division

[Pudge]

Pudge - " the right Coach building a competitive Program" thing is what's stuck in my craw now. The Big East will have a bit more money and maybe okay to decent exposure in the next contract. But the ACC and the big conferences are going to blow the doors off when it comes to spending. Over the short term I could see more successes akin to Cincinnati, but over the long term I just don't see how NNBE schools will be able to retain top coaching talent. For pete's sake Cinci couldn't hang on to their previous two successful coaches. Less money for coaching, less money for recruiting means less competitive Programs. Sorry, that's what I'm seeing out of this. #ClapHarder won't cut it.

... and so we lost Randy Edsall.

I just don't think this market is nearly as fluid as it's portrayed here. IF ... a big IF at the moment ... we get a solid young FB coach, I truly don't see the ramping up & the Yanking him off to MichiganSt./NotreDame/Maryland as that onerous a development. That, in my view, is a 4-6 year Process. And, if you truly put some thought into the guy, you could see a person wanting to make this more of a Legacy.

I don't want to be the Mississippi State or Wake Football program. I am not thrilled with the expanded BE; but, at least I believe we have an opportunity to win at a fairly high level. And with breaks ... Championship of the conference.

Plus HOOPS. For the rest of my life, I want to see our MBB program thrive. And then MSG > March Madness.

 

[junglehusky]

Well, I'm not just talking about UConn. Maybe UConn can have the kind of success arc you described. But my main concern in this thread is the NNBE - we desperately need somebody to take the place of WVU in terms of carrying the banner, but what we really need is a handful of programs to go out and beat the big names on a consistent basis so the league can shake it's image of being one of the poor sisters. That becomes less and less likely when the big boys get a larger share of the pie.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

We are going to get a decent contract for our sports content. And, I really don't think 12 to 14 (considering what we are looking at) ... nor 14 to 16 dilutes OUR (UConn) share.

Umm...its pretty simple if you understand basic math.

Do Templle and Memphis add less value than UConn? Yes.
Will Temple and Memphis receive an equal cut to UConn in TV revenue? Yes.

Explain to me how UConn's payout won't be less due to these teams??

The fact that you don't even think 16 teams further dilutes UConn's payout just shows you're clueless.

That's why I'm in a "tizzy".

 

[Dann]

its funny now that i see this 13 team league so far and we are def getting at least 1 more for 14 and think u guys used to hammer me home with all the fun i was having with looking at west schools trying to see who was a good fit. now thats exactly what we are going to be doing. better hope the nfl is going to invite rutgers and they take us with them u funny guys.

bsu/smu/uh/sdsu/byu/urn//mem
uconn/ruty/cincy/tem/lville/usf/ucf/navy
16 fball
14 bball other sports +nova/gt/sju/prov/shu/dep/marq. thats 21 or 20 round robin bball games for the whole league which ='s a ton of quality inventory towards a contract being better $ wise.

 

[junglehusky]

If some teams out west can add value to the point where they're not another mouth to feed, then yeah get 'em. BYU would be in that category. Beyond that it's more trying to get the Navy and Temple chess pieces back east which necessitates adding western teams, and though I was having fun I don't think there's anyone who adds more value to the contract than they take away by being another mouth to feed, at least in the next 5 years...

 

[Pudge]

Umm...its pretty simple if you understand basic math.

Do Templle and Memphis add less value than UConn? Yes.
Will Temple and Memphis receive an equal cut to UConn in TV revenue? Yes.

Explain to me how UConn's payout won't be less due to these teams??

The fact that you don't even think 16 teams further dilutes UConn's payout just shows you're clueless.

That's why I'm in a "tizzy".

I just don't see it.

Less value? You are not going to be able to quantify it. And ... I am convinced ... somehow the Basketball leverage that you get with Temple & Memphis was calculated with this; I don't get it ... but the MSG Thursday/Friday nights will be better. You aren't going to convince me that UConn will get $10m instead of $12m because the BE included Temple & Memphis. As I have been saying for months (and refuted by a handful of the most virulent curmudgeons here), the real NEWS was the BE negotiation was happening at the most fortuitous time of this market. It is like the Japanese (and no other conceivable buyers) are circling Pebble Beach again. The Cost of Memphis & Temple is simply marginal dollars from the whole package. (and btw ... they ARE both Comcast cities. I think that's the unknown factor.)

And ... let me point out something else, Aresco's Press Release said the following:

"Aresco noted that this alignment will likely be revisited after the 2014 season, when the U.S. Naval Academy and possibly other schools begin play in the BIG EAST."

Yes. The underlines are mine. But ... I think there is a real possibility of 8 East & 8 West Conference divisions. Air Force & BYU are the targets. But ... that opens up the last slot. At which point, the Usual Suspects here are going to roll out their cliche' phrases. (Fresno????)

At this point, I just want to see exciting football (which means I want PP gone). 7 Conference games in Division means UCF, USF, Louisville, Cincy, Navy, Temple, Rutgers. Plus another from out west. See ... I really am not missing my 2 hour trip to the Carrier Dome at all.

 

[Point6]

I like the zipper - sorry if this has already been said (i read the first few pages) but an east vs. west division looks too much like the left over big east vs. MWC/CUSA. Better to mix it up a little and spread everyone around for this to be a truly "new" conference. Plus, I would love to go into texas and beat SMU every other year. It will help the w/ the national cred.

 

[Pudge]

If Nelson Muntz did his analysis of the possible NBE & included all the various Market ratings (TV eyeballs, Brand, Q, Attendance at home games, Marginal increased Attendance at Away) ... you would find, IMHO, that BYU is the most valuable Program of the 14-16 that we are talking about.

just saying

 

[Dann]

byu is easily #1
is prob #2 value wise in just fball
#3 would be interesting. i have been bitching about a nevada school or fresno for a while but i think with memphis being a west team we would be foolish not to consider tulsa/ulm/ull/latech/tulane/arkst type also...

 

[Point6]

After 15 minutes of reflection, I know why i like the zipper. Next year, I will watch the early, east coast BE games and not be too personally invested in the west side of the conference. In 2015, west coast UConn conference games might start after a home Rutgers game. I will be more invested in the west side of the conference if we play those teams regularly - and I'm more likely to watch those games. If you can get some of the east coast watching west coast football (and vice versa), maybe you've got something new: $$.

 

[coachcap]

byu is easily #1
is prob #2 value wise in just fball
#3 would be interesting. i have been bitching about a nevada school or fresno for a while but i think with memphis being a west team we would be foolish not to consider tulsa/ulm/ull/latech/tulane/arkst type also...

I'm thinking Nevada or Fresno to give the West Coast teams a semblance of normalcy in travel time. After a period of time, you could even have 2 all sports divisions (east-west) under the Big East administrative umbrella.

 

[Adios]

Our logo is cool.

 

[Adios]

When the column starts:
By Brett McMurphy | ESPN.com

I immediately discount. That guy is on some kind of mission to throw Monkey Bones into every discussion. And, that my friends, sends various people in our (self-described) fickle fanbase into a tizzy.

We are going to get a decent contract for our sports content. And, I really don't think 12 to 14 (considering what we are looking at) ... nor 14 to 16 dilutes OUR (UConn) share. We are going to be north of $10m ... and not too close to the ACC $17m. It allows us to fight another decade & raise our credibility (as long as we don't let PP kill the Program in the next 15 months). It simply makes too much sense for us to be in a 7/8 divisional configuration with Cincy/UL, East/Mid-Atlantic and the 2 Florida schools.

We are not going to see the Zipper. We are not going to California more than once a year.

As for the other item on the Wish list, they are not going to let us trashcan Providence College nor Seton Hall in my lifetime.

You might be right.

"Aresco, who had no new information to share on the conference's current television negotiations, said that geography was ultimately the way to go for these divisions. It will keep travel to a minimum, he said, and it will protect old rivalries (Cincinnati-Louisville, Rutgers-Connecticut) and help bring in new ones (Central Florida-South Florida, San Diego State-Boise State). "

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/39272/wheels-in-motion-for-aresco-big-east

 

[businesslawyer]

Why is it better for the Networks? What I see is a guarantee that ever single game will be irrelevant on both sides. UConn gets on good league opponent in UL and bunch we don't want to see. But it's essentially the same for every school. SDSU would turn out for Boise and so naturally they don't get those schools. It's moronic. Every school gets the other schools they would least like to play. It's designed to kill enthusiasm across the league.

Unlike others here, I don't pretend I know everything. It is not intrinsically obvious to me why this way is better, although some like PJ did a very good job setting forth theories.

But there is no reason to doubt that the decisions are being made in conjunction with the bidding of the TV rights, and there is less reason to think that anyone is saying "the networks said they would pay less to do it this way so let's do it this way and get less." Sometimes, life is truly easier if you don't assume that everyone but you is an idiot.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Unlike others here, I don't pretend I know everything. It is not intrinsically obvious to me why this way is better, although some like PJ did a very good job setting forth theories.

But there is no reason to doubt that the decisions are being made in conjunction with the bidding of the TV rights, and there is less reason to think that anyone is saying "the networks said they would pay less to do it this way so let's do it this way and get less." Sometimes, life is truly easier if you don't assume that everyone but you is an idiot.

I don't pretend to know anything about the TV negotiations. I'm speaking as a fan concerned about the possibility of 25k fans being the norm to see that show of a putrid schedule.

 

[businesslawyer]

I don't pretend to know anything about the TV negotiations. I'm speaking as a fan concerned about the possibility of 25k fans being the norm to see that show of a putrid schedule.

Unfortunately, Jimmy, if you're asking where pleasing fans in the building ranks compared with increasing revenue by every last cent, well, that question was answered at UConn (and everywhere else) years ago.

 

[whaler11]

Im sorry i had to stop reading when I got to the post that said we had to consider ULM and ULL. Why not just consider CCSU and Montclair State while you are at it.

 

[Dooley]

I sure hope Louisville doesn't bolt the BE because a home slate of SMU, Navy (and their triple option that we can NEVER stop), SDSU, Memphis and USF doesn't make me all tingly. Honestly, I think this is an olive branch extension to Louisville to convince them to stay long-term. Louisville vs. RU/Boise/Cinci every year in the conference championship game is probably the thought process. I read somewhere in this thread that the league needs a new WVU flagship program and it looks like they're looking to Louisville to be it. A win over a ranked team from the Blue division probably leapfrogs them past any ranked team from the MWC/MAC/CUSA etc to get into a BCS game.

Sadly, that could have been us a few short seasons ago with a more inspired coaching hire.

 

[huskymedic]

Im sorry i had to stop reading when I got to the post that said we had to consider ULM and ULL. Why not just consider CCSU and Montclair State while you are at it.

C'mon Whaler. Ragin Cajuns, Ragin Cajuns....

 

[whaler11]

C'mon Whaler. Ragin Cajuns, Ragin Cajuns....

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The comedy of course is that 95% of people don't know which branch is the Ragin Cajuns. 99% have no idea what the non Ragin Cajun school's nickname is.

Southeastern Louisiana is playing Marquette on my television now. Maybe that was the big announcement this week and I missed their addition to the Big East.

 

[Marty Jackson]

I think if BYU comes in then the East/West balance of power is a little better, and therefore just sending Louisville or Cincy to the west would make for fairly even divisions and would prompt the league to stick with East/West Divisions.

RU, UCONN, CINN, NAVY, TEMPLE, USF, UCF

vs.

BOISE, SDSU, UL, SMU, HOUSTON, MEMPHIS, BYU

Not bad.

Hopefully and one other west school come on pushing cincy to the east... Maybe Tulsa.

 

[Uconnalliance]

It's time to picket,I smell something and it's the death of the Big East. Start packing.

 

[Marty Jackson]

After 2015 I see this:

East:

RU
UConn
Temple
UL
UC
USF
UCF

West:

SDSU
BSU
/BYU
Navy
UH
SMU
Memphis

Don't see Navy in the west...

 

[uconNYC]

Don't see Navy in the west...

California and Texas are big recruiting areas for Navy. They have a national fanbase. They would probably welcome being in the West.

 

[Marty Jackson]

byu is easily #1
is prob #2 value wise in just fball
#3 would be interesting. i have been bitching about a nevada school or fresno for a while but i think with memphis being a west team we would be foolish not to consider tulsa/ulm/ull/latech/tulane/arkst type also...

Tulsa... Decent hoops, decent football.
Otherwise UNLV or Nevada.

 

[Marty Jackson]

California and Texas are big recruiting areas for Navy. They have a national fanbase. They would probably welcome being in the West.

Lot of travel... You might be right.
But I agree it only happens if they agree.

 

[huskymedic]

The comedy of course is that 95% of people don't know which branch is the Ragin Cajuns. 99% have no idea what the non Ragin Cajun school's nickname is.

Southeastern Louisiana is playing Marquette on my television now. Maybe that was the big announcement this week and I missed their addition to the Big East.

Geaux Lions isn't that exciting.

 

[noeynox]

I have not read every post in this thread, but I have to say, we should be in the championship game mix EVERY YEAR, with the proposed lineup in the OP.

 

[Jerry27]

Seriously? You realize you're going ape snow over a speculated scenario put forth by a"source". Even after the known format presented by the commissioner is said to take into consideration geography and travel you're going to trust the "source"?

 

[Jimdish255]

Theoretically once you have a TV contract you have a partner. OK it didn't work out in the long run for the BE but at least a new network may be a solid partner for the honeymoon period. With a solid foundation and some promotion the league should have more options going forward and more interest in future membership.