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UConn's Football Failures Are Catching Up to It, and the School Has Itself to Blame (P. Forde @ SI Column)

Given the economic mess the ACC may soon find itself in, I would not be shocked that some day, a few years from now, the conference may invite UConn as a member. It may be slightly different in terms of members, then. Some may jump ship, somehow avoiding exit fees. But if such an opportunity arises, UConn has to do better than last time.
At this point waiting for the ACC to die from some unknown “economic mess”, is a little like Michael Corleone in Godfather 2 talking about gangster Hyman Roth and how “He’s been dying of the same heart attack for 25 years”.
Hoping for the ACC to break up so that UConn can be invited is fool’s gold mixed with wishful thinking. Just ain’t happening.
 
@don356

College football seems to be the only sport where many equate a rough decade as being terminal. What other sport does this get said as frequently? We are going to navigate this COVid financial crisis and then go from there. Independent football could be the spring board to some winning and a little winning is all we need.

Yep, it gets more money for a reason, and in a lot of the public's eyes it's the national sport. Witness the money the Nfl commands. Crazy. That said, it gets magnified when you leave for a bball only setup, and had really bad results at the end. However, i think you have to give AAC fball some credit. It was/is better than advertised. I've said this before and i stick with it. If anybody back 6 or 7 years ago would have told you that Uconn would be in a fball league in 2019 that had 4 teams in the final top 25 it would have been a revelation. However, when you are not one of the 4, it's not ideal. Just were not able to leverage that.
 
Is the issue the money football loses or the fact the them has lost a lot?

People act like they can't win and they can't cut that deficit with good marketing and good football and better management.

Cincinnati cut soccer. That is a sport that is huge in Ohio. That is a bugger deal IMO than tennis.

Cincinnati has a professional soccer franchise to sate aficionados.
 
I have never read a Pat Forde article, are they all this poorly written? Not the content, I actually agree with him on most of it (except his fixation on the Edsall bonuses - they are not a lot for a head coach and the drop down to FCS - that ain’t going to save as much money as he thinks), but they writing. I honestly think a 7 year old with no journalism training can write an article that flows better. Yikes.

we have to use some self awareness here too - he is right about the athletic department and administration being a dumpster fire.
 
I have never read a Pat Forde article, are they all this poorly written? Not the content, I actually agree with him on most of it (except his fixation on the Edsall bonuses - they are not a lot for a head coach and the drop down to FCS - that ain’t going to save as much money as he thinks), but they writing. I honestly think a 7 year old with no journalism training can write an article that flows better. Yikes.

we have to use some self awareness here too - he is right about the athletic department and administration being a dumpster fire.

His criticism of past ADs/administrators is fine, but the Benedict criticism is absurd.
 
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At this point waiting for the ACC to die from some unknown “economic mess”, is a little like Michael Corleone in Godfather 2 talking about gangster Hyman Roth and how “He’s been dying of the same heart attack for 25 years”.
Hoping for the ACC to break up so that UConn can be invited is fool’s gold mixed with wishful thinking. Just ain’t happening.
I like the Godfather movie. But did you see last week's news from ESPN: As more and more college athletic departments cut sports programs, the financial wreckage due to the coronavirus pandemic is becoming devastatingly clear -- and that's without factoring in a $4 billion loss if the 2020 football season is canceled, a development that would forever alter college-level sports.

 
His criticism of past ADs/administrators is fine, but the Benedict criticism is absurd.

I think we give Benedict a tad too much credit - those basketball only fans love him but if you look at it globally, Big East move not so good.

I will say since the administration decided to pull plug on football and basically just try to get as much $$$ as possibly from the sinking product - Benedict has done awesome securing $$$ games with powerhouses and getting every last cent he could for tv contract.
 
I like the Godfather movie. But did you see last week's news from ESPN: As more and more college athletic departments cut sports programs, the financial wreckage due to the coronavirus pandemic is becoming devastatingly clear -- and that's without factoring in a $4 billion loss if the 2020 football season is canceled, a development that would forever alter college-level sports.

Agree. But your post singled out the ACC in particular as the conference that may break up due to economics. In reality the article says that some schools in the P5 Cartel are in better position than others, regardless of conference, and the G5 obviously faces lots more turmoil because they make less money.
And even if the ACC or Big12 or PAC broke apart, why would they wanna invite our clusterf%k of an AD with its running deficits and sinking football program? The state is hemorrhaging money and our future just got worse, not better. Hate to be the messenger but that's just facts, whether we wanna face it or not.
 
We're going to be fine. The new schedules are very good, we have the best recruiting class in years, and the chaos from cornonavirus will destabilize the landscape and create opportunities. AD Dave is an absolute terminator focused on protecting UConn athletics. We are in the catbird seat.
I want some of what you got, mine isn't nearly strong enough!
 
The article is ridiculous. The suggestion that a school of UConn's caliber in a market the size of the state of CT can't sustain an FBS football program is just wrong. The Pasqualoni hire was terrible and Diaco didn't work out. We'll see if Randy can get us back to where we were when he left within the next year or two. At the end of the day, we'll be making more TV money than MWC schools and I think the BE could see an increase if they extend their contract with Fox. UConn has shown an ability to put together solid indy football schedules well into the coming decade and has signed a national TV contract. Once we get some bowl agreements, we'll be in pretty good shape.

Moving to the Big East is all about sustaining a national championship level basketball program, which had become pretty elusive in the AAC. It was the right move given that is what UConn has built it's brand on. We're not P5. We can't sustain a P5 level AD. That's a hard truth we need to own up to but we can certainly be a dominant basketball school in the Big East and a solid FBS football program as an independent.
 
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The article is ridiculous. The suggestion that a school of UConn's caliber in a market the size of the state of CT can't sustain an FBS football program is just wrong. The Pasqualoni hire was terrible and Diaco didn't work out. We'll see if Randy can get us back to where we were when he left within the next year or two. At the end of the day, we'll be making more TV money than MWC schools and I think the BE could see an increase if they extend their contract with Fox. UConn has shown an ability to put together solid indy football schedules well into the coming decade and has signed a national TV contract. Once we get some bowl agreements, we'll be in pretty good shape.

Moving to the Big East is all about sustaining a national championship level basketball program, which had become pretty elusive in the AAC. It was the right move given that is what UConn has built it's brand on. We're not P5. We can't sustain a P5 level AD. That's a hard truth we need to own up to but we can certainly be a dominant basketball school in the Big East and a solid FBS football program as an independent.
UConn was a micrometer away from an ACC invite. UConn can be P5. It flubbed its opportunity when it was presented. Whether another chance comes along is the big question.
 
UConn was a micrometer away from an ACC invite. UConn can be P5. It flubbed its opportunity when it was presented. Whether another chance comes along is the big question.

I think UConn had a shot but I don’t think we flubbed the opportunity. I think we just didn’t have the pedigree to beat out Cuse or Pitt and when it came to Louisville they had more of what the ACC football powers desired.
 
@don356

College football seems to be the only sport where many equate a rough decade as being terminal. What other sport does this get said as frequently? We are going to navigate this COVid financial crisis and then go from there. Independent football could be the spring board to some winning and a little winning is all we need.
Currently #118 recruiting class on 247sports.com, but catching up to #100 UMass - I'm not liking this springboard.
 
Currently #118 recruiting class on 247sports.com, but catching up to #100 UMass - I'm not liking this springboard.

#79 on Rivals (best since 2013 on their site) in front former conference mates Houston, Navy, Tulsa, SMU, and USF. The prior year UConn was last in AAC recruiting rankings. And that class came in before the TV deal and many of home and homes were announced. And while early for 2021, UConn already sitting in 6th for best class in the AAC. I'm liking this springboard.
 
I guess considering 0-19 in the latest conference run, this springboard has only one way to bounce. I'm sure that Liberty TV match up will draw a lot of eyeballs. Appreciate the optimism, but as they say, "you can't put lipstick on a pig"
 
I think UConn had a shot but I don’t think we flubbed the opportunity. I think we just didn’t have the pedigree to beat out Cuse or Pitt and when it came to Louisville they had more of what the ACC football powers desired.
At the end of the day, as much as it seems like face saving, I think that fact held sway. Louisville had Johnny U, we had Danny O.
 
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Currently #118 recruiting class on 247sports.com, but catching up to #100 UMass - I'm not liking this springboard.
I’m not liking your research: As of 5/29 (w/ 4 players not rated yet)
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I think we give Benedict a tad too much credit - those basketball only fans love him but if you look at it globally, Big East move not so good.

I will say since the administration decided to pull plug on football and basically just try to get as much $$$ as possibly from the sinking product - Benedict has done awesome securing $$$ games with powerhouses and getting every last cent he could for tv contract.
Mmm, no. "Globally" the move to the Big East is a good move. The AAC was killing our sports brand, not just basketball. The travel costs were $2M higher and the travel was draining on our athletes and coaches. We were a geographic outlier in what the conference morphed into. Quality of life will be improved for every UConn athlete across all sports.

The final straw was the media deal. It is worth less on a net basis, than the BE deal is currently and lasts for 12 years. When NBE deal is renegotiated it will in all likelihood be considerably higher. Think about that. The NBE 7 year old deal without football is worth more than the American's brand new deal with football. Seriously, stop and think about that, given the relative value of football and basketball. It is striking.

The deal took away the opportunity for regional broadcasts (something that had considerable value to UConn) and replaced it with a for pay internet access produced by the local schools. UConn would have needed to invest to create the infrastructure to be able to do that. They also would have had to carry the per game production costs including paying for broadcasters. It was essentially FloSports on steriods. We would have had no say on the quality of other schools broadcasts.

The move to Big East was a good deal across the board, not because it is the perfect situation for us, but because that simmering pile of feces known as the American Conference was an absolutely awful choice for us. Yeah, it is better for basketball, but it is better in practically every aspect. I'd like to have bowl access but other than that, the move is all win.
 
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Nice deflection after the recruiting fail. Goalposts off and running!
Ah, back to recruiting, looking at what we have so far this year, few, if any of these recruits had offers from P5 teams (however, we are kicking Monmouth's and Bryant's behinds). We are scraping the bottom, but our quantity of recruits should expand when the other schools fill their needs. There is no springboard with this recruiting - nice try to deflect, but we are basically last in line here. You can't put lipstick on this pig.
 
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I think UConn had a shot but I don’t think we flubbed the opportunity. I think we just didn’t have the pedigree to beat out Cuse or Pitt and when it came to Louisville they had more of what the ACC football powers desired.
UConn actually was considered over PItt, but then BC reared its ugly head. The Louisville debacle occurred after that when they wanted to add one more school and it was apparently between Louisville and UConn.
 
UConn actually was considered over PItt, but then BC reared its ugly head. The Louisville debacle occurred after that when they wanted to add one more school and it was apparently between Louisville and UConn.
Is there anyone on this board that was "in the room" so to speak when this all went down? To this day I am not convinced we were as close to making the AAC as suggested by some. I've always felt Bristol was part of that discussion and Bristol (tv $$ and markets) + BC venom + FSU & Clemson all did their part to override the BB schools for Louisville.
 
Is there anyone on this board that was "in the room" so to speak when this all went down? To this day I am not convinced we were as close to making the AAC as suggested by some. I've always felt Bristol was part of that discussion and Bristol (tv $$ and markets) + BC venom + FSU & Clemson all did their part to override the BB schools for Louisville.

Personally, I find it hard to imagine we were ever really considered above Pitt given their much longer FBS football tradition.
 
At the end of the day, as much as it seems like face saving, I think that fact held sway. Louisville had Johnny U, we had Danny O.

Right. I think it just is reality. We joined FBS in 2000. That has always been the major factor holding us back. I mean, are there any programs in the P5 that were FCS until the 21st century? I certainly can't think of any.
 
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