UConn's AAU Application?

[VPDcurt]

just go away...

I am a troll. A troll that spews facts. You guys are so defensive it's unreal.

UConn Health weighing down university’s research ranking

 

[upstater]

And he touts Quinnipiac, a school that is flirting with the ultimate college disaster.

 

[CTMike]

I am a troll. A troll that spews facts. You guys are so defensive it's unreal.

UConn Health weighing down university’s research ranking

I don't think you are a troll per se. But you can't be surprised at the reaction you are receiving. Maybe you will stick around, maybe Fishy will throat punch you on out of here, but your first impression was universally less than stellar and you haven't stopped digging.

 

[Adios]

No wonder Herbst laughs at us.

 

[VPDcurt]

And he touts Quinnipiac, a school that is flirting with the ultimate college disaster.

I'm not touting Quinnipiac at all - just showing how things are going downhill for UConn Health. It's a significant loss of their footprint in terms of medical education for their students. The school of medicine was livid that they lost the relationship with that hospital and that it went to Quinnipiac - but no one in the field was surprised. My initial post in this thread was to point out a deficiency at UConn Health that needs to be addressed in the near future; it is one that I believe keeps UConn out of the AAU conversation (again, not an expert by any means). The Health Center is a big thorn in UConn's side, and I'm not sure how to remedy it - but it needs to be addressed. You must address problems in order to come up with viable solutions.

 

[VPDcurt]

I don't think you are a troll per se. But you can't be surprised at the reaction you are receiving. Maybe you will stick around, maybe Fishy will throat punch you on out of here, but your first impression was universally less than stellar and you haven't stopped digging.

If it gets a few people thinking and and acknowledging the shortcomings of the University, it's worth it. People on this board continually say how depressed they are and they "can't take it anymore" because we've been treated so poorly by everyone else. That accomplishes nothing. As a UConn fan, I go to men's and women's bball games, football games, soccer games, etc and I root for them like you wouldn't believe. I'm not going to bring up the disaster that UConn Health is at a tailgate. But on a message board, with a thread wondering why UConn isn't AAU, it is worth mentioning as this is a serious deficiency in the UConn system (one of the very few I would argue). The hiring of one physician is a step in the right direction, but in no way does it alleviate a very deep-rooted and system problem.

 

[MattMang23]

Guys, guys - the new guy with the hot takes just wants to show everyone how smart he is.

He also wants very badly to be a board moderator, it would seem. Literally every thread I have entered today has featured him telling someone to remove a thread, not to post something, or some other form of internet policing. It's been somewhat amusing, especially when he challenged Fishy.

 

[CL82]

63re in the country for a research school. And there aren't that many med schools on the country. Much worse than UConn's 60 given the paucity of medical schools compared to undergrad universities. Can't deny reality.

You understand that patient care component isn't relevent for AAU status right?

If you really want to look at it, there many unranked P5 schools, but of the ranked ones UConn is better than include:

FSU
Wake
Georgetown
Miami
Louisville
Texas Tech
Temple
Texas A&M
Ohio University
Kentucky
Arizona
Michigan State
West Virgina
USF
Cinci
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Maryland
UC-Irvine
Tennessee...etc.

You get similar results looking at the research side.

 

[VPDcurt]

Guys, guys - the new guy with the hot takes just wants to show everyone how smart he is.

I'm sorry that I made you feel that way. It was not my intention.

 

[VPDcurt]

You understand that patient care component isn't relevent for AAU status right?

If you really want to look at it, there many unranked P5 schools, but of the ranked ones UConn is better than include:

FSU
Wake
Georgetown
Miami
Louisville
Texas Tech
Temple
Texas A&M
Ohio University
Kentucky
Arizona
Michigan State
West Virgina
USF
Cinci
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Maryland
UC-Irvine
Tennessee...etc.

I don't know what patient care ranking system you are using to come up with this list. If it is primary care (which is actually ranked by USNWR), then I do understand that this is not relevant to AAU. If it is indeed the primary care rankings by USNWR (as I suspect you are), then this has nothing to do with AAU as it eliminates research activity as a component in the ranking system. Primary care and patient care are two different things.

 

[CL82]

I don't know what patient care ranking system you are using to come up with this list. If it is primary care (which is actually ranked by USNWR), then I do understand that this is not relevant to AAU.

The exact same one you did to get the ranking of 50 and 63... USNWR

You say that understand that it is irrelevent but just a few posts ago that was your core point. What changed?

 

[VPDcurt]

The exact same one you did to get the ranking of 50 and 63... USNWR

You say that understand that it is irrelevent but just a few posts ago that was your core point. What changed?

Two different lists. One is research ranking, the other is primary care. Primary care ranking does not involve research.

 

[Huskybite]

The quality of the Health Center is not going to impact the AAU ranking one way or another. The AAU is only looking at peer-reviewed research grants, which has little to do with running a hospital. Everything you say can be true but it has little impact on the AAU. For some schools with top academics and top medical schools, running a hospital can be a big drain on the school's finances. It is not for everybody.

All I'm saying is that these huge medical centers, which you'll find at Cincy, USF, Alabama-Birmingham, are heavy on training, but the AAU doesn't take it into account. And not only that, you have some medical schools, such as U. Rochester's, that end up eating into the core of the university and having a detrimental impact.

Upstater, as usual, 100% spot on. Medical operations are a separate entity from federally-funded research within said facility. AAU is a consortium or lobby affiliation to garner federal research funding. As such, it aids member schools to forward their individual and collective agenda. As a graduate of both schools (UConn and Rochester), VPDcurt's comments on the interplay between local hospitals and their staff has some basis in fact, but is also opinion-based. I agree with Upstater's assessment of UR's dilemma.

 

[CL82]

Two different lists. One is research ranking, the other is primary care. Primary care ranking does not involve research.

You orginal point was being critical of primary care You tried to justfy your postition after Upstater corrected you...

They go hand in hand. Furthermore, clinical and academic medicine (research and training) are inseparable at academic institutions. One cannot flourish without the other.

But if you want to talk about UConn's research ranking now, we can do that. First let me note that many, many P5 medical schools are unranked, FSU and Penn State for instance.

But the ranked P5 medical schools that are ranked below UConn include:

Michigan State
WVU
Texas Tech
Nevada
Louisvile
Missouri
Texas A&M
Tennessee
Oklahoma
Kansas

As I understand the AAU it is a lobbying group for Federal research dollars. For the most part medical schools are looked upon as not being useful info for that metric.

 

[VPDcurt]

I have not mentioned primary care in this post until I corrected your post. And I'm not comparing UConn to other P5 schools - this is a thread about AAU - not P5.

 

[CL82]

If it gets a few people thinking and and acknowledging the shortcomings of the University, it's worth it. People on this board continually say how depressed they are and they "can't take it anymore" because we've been treated so poorly by everyone else. That accomplishes nothing. As a UConn fan, I go to men's and women's bball games, football games, soccer games, etc and I root for them like you wouldn't believe. I'm not going to bring up the disaster that UConn Health is at a tailgate. But on a message board, with a thread wondering why UConn isn't AAU, it is worth mentioning as this is a serious deficiency in the UConn system (one of the very few I would argue). The hiring of one physician is a step in the right direction, but in no way does it alleviate a very deep-rooted and system problem.

People on this board continually say how depressed they are and they "can't take it anymore" because we've been treated so poorly by everyone else.
Um who says that? Just curious.

 

[pj]

63 in a research ranking (med school/health research) would not be bad. The AAU has 63 members and nearly all have medical centers. Going through AAU institutions in alphabetical order (AAU Member Institutions), the ones without med schools are Brandeis, Caltech, then Georgia Tech which has a joint program with the Emory medical school nearby, Iowa State, then MIT which has its Health and Science Technology program (Harvard–MIT Program of Health Sciences and Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), not to mention the Broad Institute, Whitehead Institute, and Koch Institute, then Princeton, Purdue, Rice University has a deal with the Baylor College of Medicine, UC Berkeley is close to UCSF Medical School, and UC Santa Barbara. Everybody else, the other 53, has a medical school.

So if you are the #63 ranked medical school for research, you are about 10-20 spots away from AAU status.

 

[upstater]

I'm not touting Quinnipiac at all - just showing how things are going downhill for UConn Health. It's a significant loss of their footprint in terms of medical education for their students. The school of medicine was livid that they lost the relationship with that hospital and that it went to Quinnipiac - but no one in the field was surprised. My initial post in this thread was to point out a deficiency at UConn Health that needs to be addressed in the near future; it is one that I believe keeps UConn out of the AAU conversation (again, not an expert by any means). The Health Center is a big thorn in UConn's side, and I'm not sure how to remedy it - but it needs to be addressed. You must address problems in order to come up with viable solutions.

They can laugh all they want when Quinnipiac disappears off the face of the earth.

 

[VPDcurt]

They can laugh all they want when Quinnipiac disappears off the face of the earth.

The school is funded by a grant from Frank H. Netter - I'd like to see them disappear in favor of UConn but I don't see that happening.

 

[VPDcurt]

63 in a research ranking (med school/health research) would not be bad. The AAU has 63 members and nearly all have medical centers. Going through AAU institutions in alphabetical order (AAU Member Institutions), the ones without med schools are Brandeis, Caltech, then Georgia Tech which has a joint program with the Emory medical school nearby, Iowa State, then MIT which has its Health and Science Technology program (Harvard–MIT Program of Health Sciences and Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), not to mention the Broad Institute, Whitehead Institute, and Koch Institute, then Princeton, Purdue, Rice University has a deal with the Baylor College of Medicine, UC Berkeley is close to UCSF Medical School, and UC Santa Barbara. Everybody else, the other 53, has a medical school.

So if you are the #63 ranked medical school for research, you are about 10-20 spots away from AAU status.

Agreed. But Harvard, UCSF, Baylor, Emory? Not easy for anyone to compete with.

 

[CTMike]

I'm sorry that I made you feel that way. It was not my intention.

No apology necessary. Just saying if you want to stick around then consider your introduction and initial impression and adjust accordingly. Disagreements are more than tolerated (have you met Whaler or Nelson?).

 

[upstater]

The school is funded by a grant from Frank H. Netter - I'd like to see them disappear in favor of UConn but I don't see that happening.

Any university that experiences huge declines in enrollment for 3 years, and then proceeds to start firing full-time faculty which draws the attention of the accreditation people and the national university governance associations, is treading heavily. Universities fire professors when there is financial exigency, and that's accepted, but Quinnipiac didn't do that because it has one of the highest paid presidents in America. The school is in danger.

 

[pj]

Agreed. But Harvard, UCSF, Baylor, Emory? Not easy for anyone to compete with.

UConn will be delighted to be the worst school in the AAU.

 

[VPDcurt]

Upstater, as usual, 100% spot on. Medical operations are a separate entity from federally-funded research within said facility. AAU is a consortium or lobby affiliation to garner federal research funding. As such, it aids member schools to forward their individual and collective agenda. As a graduate of both schools (UConn and Rochester), VPDcurt's comments on the interplay between local hospitals and their staff has some basis in fact, but is also opinion-based. I agree with Upstater's assessment of UR's dilemma.

They are on paper but they go hand in hand. Hospitals that are strong clinically are generally strong academically. Look at places like MGH, Cleveland clinic, Mayo, Hopkins. Rarely will you find the two ranking systems that far apart in this effort two categories. The bottom line - UConn needs work in both departments - and both will help attain AAU status because they're so closely tied together. Again, not sure why you are so defensive over a topic that is very clearly an area where UConn Health (and thus UConn overall) needs a lot of hole as it is dragging down the university and Dempsey hospital (only a small part of UConn health).

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Gainesville is trending down, Storrs is trending up...

Speaking about going down, just found a picture where the U of F football police reports are filed...

 

[Adios]

I am a troll. A troll that spews facts. You guys are so defensive it's unreal.

UConn Health weighing down university’s research ranking

I used to work at the interlibrary loan department. This is brutal. Let's steer the ship from the Big Ten towards the ACC...

 

[Adios]

The school is in danger.

QU will survive somehow. If they have the money to carve into a freaking small mountain for their arena, the school has money behind it.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

They are on paper but they go hand in hand. Hospitals that are strong clinically are generally strong academically. Look at places like MGH, Cleveland clinic, Mayo, Hopkins. Rarely will you find the two ranking systems that far apart in this effort two categories. The bottom line - UConn needs work in both departments - and both will help attain AAU status because they're so closely tied together. Again, not sure why you are so defensive over a topic that is very clearly an area where UConn Health (and thus UConn overall) needs a lot of hole as it is dragging down the university and Dempsey hospital (only a small part of UConn health).

I may not have a PhD; but, not sure what Mayo and the Cleveland Clinic have to do with AAU. Mayo is not attached to any University that I am aware of and the Cleveland Clinic only became affiliated with Case Western in 2002 after a donor gave both $100 million to start a medical school. Case Western became AAU in 1969, which was long before that.

 

[VPDcurt]

I may not have a PhD; but, not sure what Mayo and the Cleveland Clinic have to do with AAU. Mayo is not attached to any University that I am aware of and the Cleveland Clinic only became affiliated with Case Western in 2002 after a donor gave both $100 million to start a medical school. Case Western became AAU in 1969, which was long before that.

Nothing. I was making a point about the relationship between hospitals and medical schools - which has been dragged out as my main argument regarding all of this (not the case).

 

[Adios]

Dr. VPDCurt is actually making valid points. Given that, can we let this thread die now??

As far as the Health Center in Farmington goes, there's still loads of clientele they can treat. But it certainly was short-sighted to place it in Farmington when there's Bristol Hospital, too. The only way to remedy that that I can think of, is to make CTfasttrack go by the UConn Health Center. Take that, Farmington!