UConn vs. Wake Forest

[ZooCougar]

If Clawson is 31-31 lifetime at BG and has a stinker in season 2 here without great recruiting, this ship will totally run aground. On the other hand, Lane Kiffin fired him and that's a big plus for me.

1. Narduzzi POSSIBLE
2. Peterson (probably not interested) YEAH RIGHT
3. Lembo NOPE, NOT INTERESTED
4. DeRuyter PROBABLY A TOP CANDIDATE FOR UDub
5. Orgeron HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah right.
6. Moorhead I prefer Ambrose over him, but he is good people.

 

[metsfan2323]

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

I guess Tuberville didn't get the memo on the importance of conference affiliation.

If you consider both Wake and UCONN to be stepping stones in your career which is the better stepping stone?

 

[FAIRTIDES]

Money talks. Warde can get Narduzzi if the offer is sweet enough, and besides money there are other reasons mentioned already that make UCONN a much better deal than WF. The big variable here is Susan Herbst, IMO. She needs to give Warde a blank check (within reason) if they truly want to better the football program. That being said, I hope they also give TJ a serious look.

SH is much more than a variable. She's the "closer." The right coach will be sold by her vision for the University, and her ability to sell that vision. Much will depend on what SH can reveal about her future plans and their impact on the Athletic Department; specifically football.

 

[huskymedic]

If Mora takes UW, Does DeRuyter go into play for ?UCLA w/ others (Franklin, Petersen? etal). May still be "available" all said and done. UConn needs UW to move ahead sooner than later to bring the falling west coast dominoes closer to the end.

 

[ZooCougar]

If Mora takes UW, DeRuyter goes into play for ?UCLA w/ others (Franklin, Petersen? etal). But may still be "available" as said and done. UConn needs UW to move ahead sooner than later.

Mora saying UW was his dream job basically got him fired in Atlanta.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

Care to elaborate? Why don't you think we would have "those options" in recruiting? Most coaches will tell you that the coaching game is 40 or 50% recruiting. UCONN has a lot to offer and we still can out recruit them in basketball. Also name a high profile coach in the entire northeast where Narduzzi would have heavy competition recruiting against? That being said, I like Narduzzi for several other reasons, some of which you mentioned, so it's not just about recruiting.

Addazio is an absolute fireball, as a recruiter. I saw it during Jonathan Meyers' (went to Princeton) senior year at Greenwich. He was on the sidelines during one or two Greenwich games; something guys from other schools were mumbling about, believe me. He was high fiveing and spanking fannies. He was all over the place. The prior summer, he had shown the Greenwich coaching staff how to use their wing-T run blocking schemes in a spread offense. The guy knows how to sell his product.

 

[ruskin]

Kinda nice to have a search firm now huh? Agents can't not talk to these guys. It's the way the game is played.

Here we go. . . only mentioned Parker because it's a grudgingly-accepted reality. Warde and his already-existing highly paid team are perfectly capable of "reaching out" to agents without paying a middleman to do so.

 

[ruskin]

SH is much more than a variable. She's the "closer." The right coach will be sold by her vision for the University, and her ability to sell that vision. Much will depend on what SH can reveal about her future plans and their impact on the Athletic Department; specifically football.

There's been a lot of chatter here about "spending other's people money" and "overpaying". UConn needs to pay the market rate for Top 25 programs to show it means business, then have a highly-incentivized contract that should leave no doubt as to what the school's ambition is in football. Tie the contract to TV revenue. That will help agents sell reluctant candidates (like Lembo)

I want the college football world to say "why did he go there?" And I want the new guy to explain in Geno A. "league of our own" terms why he did. BTW, the press conference should be held at the 50-yard line of Shenkman. "Just look at this place. This is why I'm here. This school is committed to football" etc etc

 

[UConnJim]

Addazio is an absolute fireball, as a recruiter. I saw it during Jonathan Meyers' (went to Princeton) senior year at Greenwich. He was on the sidelines during one or two Greenwich games; something guys from other schools were mumbling about, believe me. He was high fiveing and spanking fannies. He was all over the place. The prior summer, he had shown the Greenwich coaching staff how to use their wing-T run blocking schemes in a spread offense. The guy knows how to sell his product.

I don't get the infatuation with Addazio. Sure, he is a high energy guy, but he has not proven himself as a head coach and he certainly never established himself as a good OC. His first year at Temple, he benefited from Al Golden's turnaround and recruits and Bernard Pierce, a top RB. His second year, he was 4-7 and this year Temple is worse. Where are Addazio's recruits at Temple?

Look at BC this year. He inherited a senior dominated team and he inherited the top RB in the country in Andre Williams. Record of 7-5. Next year should be very tough as the QB, RB, FB, top WR, both OTs, both DEs, one DT, 2 LBs, and the punter and kicker are all seniors. He has no proven ability to recruit and develop a whole team, so let's see how it goes.

 

[Dooley]

There's been a lot of chatter here about "spending other's people money" and "overpaying". UConn needs to pay the market rate for Top 25 programs to show it means business, then have a highly-incentivized contract that should leave no doubt as to what the school's ambition is in football. Tie the contract to TV revenue. That will help agents sell reluctant candidates (like Lembo)

I want the college football world to say "why did he go there?" And I want the new guy to explain in Geno A. "league of our own" terms why he did. BTW, the press conference should be held at the 50-yard line of Shenkman. "Just look at this place. This is why I'm here. This school is committed to football" etc etc

I agree with every word. Changing our perception from Day 1 will be important.

 

[Jimdish255]

Wake Forest is in the same ACC division as Clemson, Florida St., NC St., Syracuse, BC, and Louisville. You play them every year. The other division is easier. WF had some success when Clemson and FSU were down. Throw in all of the limitations that have already been discussed and WF is a very tough job dead end job.

Worth a tweet to any coach considering them.

Ruskin please explain how (and why) you tie a contract to TV revenue. What power does a coach have over this?

Exactly what is Lembo's "preferred" destination and if he misses out on a chair when the music stops is he willing to spend another year where he is? In any case, if he doesn't want to be here (10 toes in) he should be permanently scratched because we can't afford a guy with one toe out the door.

 

[sdhusky]

I agree with every word. Changing our perception from Day 1 will be important.

I don't really care if we "win" the press conference. We need to win on the field.

 

[ZooCougar]

Here we go. . . only mentioned Parker because it's a grudgingly-accepted reality. Warde and his already-existing highly paid team are perfectly capable of "reaching out" to agents without paying a middleman to do so.

Really? If everyone else is using a firm then wouldn't that put us at a disadvantage since it's clear that we can't just go and hire whoever our first choice is.

 

[ZooCougar]

There's been a lot of chatter here about "spending other's people money" and "overpaying". UConn needs to pay the market rate for Top 25 programs to show it means business, then have a highly-incentivized contract that should leave no doubt as to what the school's ambition is in football. Tie the contract to TV revenue. That will help agents sell reluctant candidates (like Lembo)

I want the college football world to say "why did he go there?" And I want the new guy to explain in Geno A. "league of our own" terms why he did. BTW, the press conference should be held at the 50-yard line of Shenkman. "Just look at this place. This is why I'm here. This school is committed to football" etc etc

If you want to understand overpaying then google "Brett Bielema".

Dropping a fortune on a dude for the sake of it is cargo cultish. So glad you aren't in charge.

 

[huskymedic]

USA Today Analysis w/ Pros/cons and possible candidates - http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...job-evaluation-wake-forest-jim-grobe/3858163/

Cliff Notes Version:

>>In reality, only one coach seems to fit each of Wake's criteria: Lembo. He was previously the coach at Elon, a similarly small, private university in North Carolina. His time at Lehigh is another example of his work at a strongly academic university. Most of all, Lembo would give Wake a coach with a background on offense, a strong knowledge of both the region and the private school environment, and a history of impressive success at each of his three college stops. Wake is not the only program looking at Lembo, however.<<

 

[ruskin]

If you want to understand overpaying then google "Brett Bielema".

Dropping a fortune on a dude for the sake of it is cargo cultish. So glad you aren't in charge.

You're right. Let's go cheap and hire an FCS guy, because as we know all of them who have had a modicum of success are just like Tressel. We have so much time to get this thing turned around.

and easy on the "cultish" crap too Zoo. We have to use search firms because "everybody else does it" but paying the market rate is now spending money stupidly. Jesus

 

[ruskin]

Ruskin please explain how (and why) you tie a contract to TV revenue. What power does a coach have over this?

It's telling a coach that if he succeeds like Charlie Strong he will be richer beyond his wildest dreams. Think of a movie guy who passed up a flat salary for a cut of the ticket revenue and scored big. It's recognizing the reality that football success will get UConn into a P5. Seems like the guy who makes that happen ought to get a cut when the payday comes.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

I don't get the infatuation with Addazio. Sure, he is a high energy guy, but he has not proven himself as a head coach and he certainly never established himself as a good OC. His first year at Temple, he benefited from Al Golden's turnaround and recruits and Bernard Pierce, a top RB. His second year, he was 4-7 and this year Temple is worse. Where are Addazio's recruits at Temple?

Look at BC this year. He inherited a senior dominated team and he inherited the top RB in the country in Andre Williams. Record of 7-5. Next year should be very tough as the QB, RB, FB, top WR, both OTs, both DEs, one DT, 2 LBs, and the punter and kicker are all seniors. He has no proven ability to recruit and develop a whole team, so let's see how it goes.

All fair points.

 

[ZooCougar]

You're right. Let's go cheap and hire an FCS guy, because as we know all of them who have had a modicum of success are just like Tressel. We have so much time to get this thing turned around.

and easy on the "cultish" crap too Zoo. We have to use search firms because "everybody else does it" but paying the market rate is now spending money stupidly. Jesus

Oh please, spending 50k to outsource some crafty legwork is not the same thing as spending 3 mil on some guy who has never been a HC "just to show that we are bigtime".

Your switch is stuck on stupid.

 

[Baltic]

This list look familiar? . . . I know it's hard to get past the conference thing but c'mon. Do a blind test between TV markets, size of fan base etc and UConn's is a better job and needs to be sold as such. Clearing the Edsall bar here is going to be a lot easier than clearing the Grobe bar down there. The coach who goes to Wake is going to be the fourth-biggest fish in that Carolina pond.

Actually Wake is the 5th biggest fish in the Carolina pond, ECU draws considerably more interest than Wake in football , and the program is growing.

 

[ruskin]

Oh please, spending 50k to outsource some crafty legwork is not the same thing as spending 3 mil on some guy who has never been a HC "just to show that we are bigtime".

Your switch is stuck on stupid.

There is absoutely zero reason to go nuclear with the s-word. We disagree on the search firm thing and we're not going to convince each other (by the way, it's closer to 100K). I'm sorry I even used Parker's name in earlier post.

The "market rate" isn't 3 million, I'm thinking more between 2 and 2.5 million with incentives. That's what it's going to take to get a Narduzzi to come here. BTW you're also being way overconfident about Lembo or Narduzzi bolting after if they had two years of success here. If they can be lured here, they can be lured to stay here.

 

[huskyrob1]

Addazio is an absolute fireball, as a recruiter. I saw it during Jonathan Meyers' (went to Princeton) senior year at Greenwich. He was on the sidelines during one or two Greenwich games; something guys from other schools were mumbling about, believe me. He was high fiveing and spanking fannies. He was all over the place. The prior summer, he had shown the Greenwich coaching staff how to use their wing-T run blocking schemes in a spread offense. The guy knows how to sell his product.

Imagine you are a parent of a D1 prospect and say your hometown is Lynn, Mass just north of Boston, and Addazio comes for a home visit. You like the guy, as your son does, but after Addazio leaves one thing sticks in your head. You are debating sending your son to a school that is not only 4 hours north of NYC, but with the exception of Syracuse which is 5 or 6 hours west of Boston, all the schools your son will play are south of Philadelphia, or 20 hours west you (Pitt). Addazio is a great great recruiter but he recruits from a huge disadvantage, that's why he hates it there. He would not worry me nor should he worry a coach like Narduzzi.

 

[Husky25]

Imagine you are a parent of a D1 prospect and say your hometown is Lynn, Mass just north of Boston, and Addazio comes for a home visit. You like the guy, as your son does, but after Addazio leaves one thing sticks in your head. You are debating sending your son to a school that is not only 4 hours north of NYC, but with the exception of Syracuse which is 5 or 6 hours west of Boston, all the schools your son will play are south of Philadelphia, or 20 hours west you (Pitt). Addazio is a great great recruiter but he recruits from a huge disadvantage, that's why he hates it there. He would not worry me nor should he worry a coach like Narduzzi.

Drove to Pitt for a wedding last year because we were not bringing a 3 month old on a plane. Even when stopping for diaper changes and sit down meals, Pitt is only 9 hours by car from Eastern CT. Not a short trek by any means, but it is not 20 hours away.

 

[ZooCougar]

There is absoutely zero reason to go nuclear with the s-word. We disagree on the search firm thing and we're not going to convince each other (by the way, it's closer to 100K). I'm sorry I even used Parker's name in earlier post.

The "market rate" isn't 3 million, I'm thinking more between 2 and 2.5 million with incentives. That's what it's going to take to get a Narduzzi to come here. BTW you're also being way overconfident about Lembo or Narduzzi bolting after if they had two years of success here. If they can be lured here, they can be lured to stay here.

You should just be the athletic director then. Just make Narduzzi an offer and it's done deal right?

 

[whaler11]

Imagine you are a parent of a D1 prospect and say your hometown is Lynn, Mass just north of Boston, and Addazio comes for a home visit. You like the guy, as your son does, but after Addazio leaves one thing sticks in your head. You are debating sending your son to a school that is not only 4 hours north of NYC, but with the exception of Syracuse which is 5 or 6 hours west of Boston, all the schools your son will play are south of Philadelphia, or 20 hours west you (Pitt). Addazio is a great great recruiter but he recruits from a huge disadvantage, that's why he hates it there. He would not worry me nor should he worry a coach like Narduzzi.

There is nowhere they can go that doesn't have that issue and it's worse at UConn.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Imagine you are a parent of a D1 prospect and say your hometown is Lynn, Mass just north of Boston, and Addazio comes for a home visit. You like the guy, as your son does, but after Addazio leaves one thing sticks in your head. You are debating sending your son to a school that is not only 4 hours north of NYC, but with the exception of Syracuse which is 5 or 6 hours west of Boston, all the schools your son will play are south of Philadelphia, or 20 hours west you (Pitt). Addazio is a great great recruiter but he recruits from a huge disadvantage, that's why he hates it there. He would not worry me nor should he worry a coach like Narduzzi.

Other than Temple where is the drivable game for UConn fans next year?

 

[huskymedic]

Other than Temple where is the drivable game for UConn fans next year?

I was thinking same thing... Pretty sure Temple should be @ the Rent next year. Only reasonable drive would be Army @ Yankee Stadium?

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Hell... Pretty sure Temple should be @ the Rent next year. Only reasonable drive would be Army @ Yankee Stadium?

Well I meant how many conference mates are within driving distance. Not specific to next year. The answer is Temple. The only other drivable game down the road is Navy. And that's if they join this miserable conference.

 

[huskymedic]

If Mora takes UW, Does DeRuyter go into play for ?UCLA w/ others (Franklin, Petersen? etal). May still be "available" all said and done. UConn needs UW to move ahead sooner than later to bring the falling west coast dominoes closer to the end.

BFeldmanCBS5:18pm via Twitter for iPhone
BREAKING Jim Mora will the remain the head coach at #UCLA, source told CBS.#Washington

Edit Add:
Ryan_Kartje5:54pm via TweetDeck
UCLA has announced a contract extension for Jim Mora through 2019.

I'm intrigued by DeRuyter. Wonder if Petersen bites @ UDub?

 

[huskypantz]

If true you are not helping him negotiate.

I heard he can't go over 2 Million.

Bobby B's got the rest covered.