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UConn to use Whitmer AND Boyle on Saturday
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Nah I know, I just think it's silly to drug test for recreational drugs. It's okay to get wasted but not get baked?
If anything, being a great football player while getting stoned all the time is more impressive.
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Reflected in the Qbs he has brought in, Their measurables seem to be stereotypical with what is being looked for currently in CFB. Davis is in his third year of a spread program and ran for more yards than passed.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/columns/story?id=4324410
It is silly, but it tells us about his judgement. You know you can't smoke weed. You know you're going to be drug tested. You know if you smoke weed and get drug tested, you can't play. So you smoke weed and fail repeated drug tests.
It's dumb, and while he was likely our best QB since Dan O. It's obvious that Edsall wasn't the only one keeping him off the field.
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Ok, we get it, receivers dropped passes that Whitmer threw. They dropped passes that everyone threw. We don't have great receivers. We all get it, you can stop saying it now.
I absolutely CAN assume Boyle will be better with these upcoming games. He was a true frosh last season. Now he's not. Basic math will tell you that he will be 1 year of strength training, adjusting to college life, and maturity better.
Last season Boyle played in 4 games (my bad on the 3). He was bad. He was a true frosh.
Last season Whitmer played in 4 games. He was bad. He was a RS Junior. He lost to an FCS team.
One player can improve, and if were lucky, become a good QB. The other is who he is, and who he is isn't good either.
LMAO
Whitmer lost to an FCS team? Did you watch their offensive and defensive lines manhandle ours? I'm sure Whitmer was to blame.
It's amazing that Whitmer can't get back to what he was or better but we should assume Boyle will be better. Whitmer has improved on his interceptions.
Funny how guys stop developing as seniors in college, right Tom Brady?
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Whitmer didnt lose to an FCS Team - UConn did.
If you look, his numbers were not bad first three games - Buffalo was a disaster.
I guess it was Whitmers fault too for missing takcles and not defending the pass against Townson, Maryland and Buffalo and giving up on avg 30+ a game.
You think Boyle is the answer - our coaching staff doesnt. I dont know what to tell you.
Never Assume - you make an ass out of u and me.
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That is EXACTLY what I think Diaco is looking for in his quarterback. None of the current crop really has that, including Cochran. P brought in Pro-style guys. What Cochran brought to the table that the others don't is the ability to make quick decisions and hit the open receiver. That is why I say the guy he wants isn't available right now so in a sense it doesn't matter who he uses. Really, I am guessing that Diaco is just trying to get through this year at quarterback and then he'll move on to try and land his type of player in his type of offense.
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Our coaching staff thinks Boyle is at least part of the answer. Look at the title of this thread for a hint at why that might be.
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What a great idea, waste the kids redshirt 2 years in a row. Aren't we great? But seriously Boyle was worse than Whitmer last year, whatever makes people think we can win with him right now, I will never know. He showed us no reason to play him this season last year, and if he were better then Whitmer, he wouldn't have been redshirted. I will root for Uconn until my death, but this is a very questionable move to say the least. Please prove me wrong coach D
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Ah - becasue Cochran got hurt...He wasnt part of the answer until then. The plan was the redshirt him. Now the plan is to get him a couple of snaps in case Whitmer goes down with injury.
Think its going to be 51/49??
Thats like having a second option for a prom date in case the first one ends up with herpes.
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I actually was. I just don't get the QB rotation. I don't like it. It makes absolutely no sense to me, especially when you have two QB's that are running similar sets - I can actually come up with a justification for substituting QB's when they are going to run vastly different offensive packages - and I've debated a while how to write that, with the hope of not dredging up the past. Because if you are going to run two basically different offensive sets, you need a TON of practice time, beyond what's allowed in college football, I think. If you are running the same stuff, basically, with different QB's? I don't get it.
To me, the best course of action is to pick your #1 QB on the field, and play him. Period. End of story. #2, gets practice reps, and prepares, as a #2. One snap away, at any time. But I also freely admit, that doesn't mean it doesn't work, or can't work, what we're doing, and it's really clear now, that Diaco has no intentions to deviate from his long term plan, so we can all just hope that it's a good long term plan.
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You play Boyle so he can learn the offense. This is the new regime and playcalling. WHy not let him learn it now. What good does it to keep trotting Whitmer out there? I can't see any positives. Boyle can learn this year and be a solid starter, hopefully, next year now that he's had a year of the new offense under his belt. That's why you play Boyle.
The Army has this thing about "Plans."
It sorta goes, Battle Plans (Doctrine) assume flat terrain and perfect weather. Then reality hits. A hill pops up, it rains/snows or gets otherwise sloppy, and ordinance starts booming, popping and snapping. Everything that follows is deemed to be a "Field Expedient Adaptation."
Even in the corporate world, the most detailed Plans sometimes become little more than a reference or foundation for tracking necessary reactions or adaptations to reality. Be flexible, when necessary, Coach RD.
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I am not a fan of a 2 qb rotation. Having said that,
1. CFB is the only level at which a #2 qb gets no game reps., other than in a mop-up role. Youth leagues, HS, and NFL have scrimmages/pre-season. Practicing w/a red jersey in a 7-7 or hard touch/no tackle setting is NOT experience. I have no qualms about the new staff playing a lot of guys at a lot of positions to determine who can make plays in a game - they are still trying to figure out what they have and what they need. Had they not, we might not have seen much of the 2 fresh LBs or Bllom at TE, etc. (Besides, some guys play better in games than in practice (and worse) - there have been numerous debates here about why guys with poor practice habits could not get on the field, w/Easley being Exhibit A.)
2. If my math is correct, Whitmer has had as many concussions as CC.
3. CW is what he is. Its Y3 and he still shows happy feet, bad mechanics, still holds on to the ball too long, etc. He is a lot of things; he is not Tom Brady. He can look great for a few plays and then look downright bad the next. If he catches lightning in a bottle over the course of this year I'll be ecstatic, mostly for him. I'd settle for him consistently planting his front foot in the direction of the receiver before he throws.
4. The plan has been laid out clearly, it is not a short term plan, but a long one. The staff wanted TB to regain a RS year. None of us knows that decision equated to CC or Whitmer being better. It could very much been the thinking that CC and CW were merely a bridge to a longer-term solution. We don't know. Assuming the staff thought Whitmer is/was/maybe better because they played him this year is an assumption.
1. CFB is the only level at which a #2 qb gets no game reps., other than in a mop-up role. Youth leagues, HS, and NFL have scrimmages/pre-season. Practicing w/a red jersey in a 7-7 or hard touch/no tackle setting is NOT experience. I have no qualms about the new staff playing a lot of guys at a lot of positions to determine who can make plays in a game - they are still trying to figure out what they have and what they need. Had they not, we might not have seen much of the 2 fresh LBs or Bllom at TE, etc. (Besides, some guys play better in games than in practice (and worse) - there have been numerous debates here about why guys with poor practice habits could not get on the field, w/Easley being Exhibit A.)
2. If my math is correct, Whitmer has had as many concussions as CC.
3. CW is what he is. Its Y3 and he still shows happy feet, bad mechanics, still holds on to the ball too long, etc. He is a lot of things; he is not Tom Brady. He can look great for a few plays and then look downright bad the next. If he catches lightning in a bottle over the course of this year I'll be ecstatic, mostly for him. I'd settle for him consistently planting his front foot in the direction of the receiver before he throws.
4. The plan has been laid out clearly, it is not a short term plan, but a long one. The staff wanted TB to regain a RS year. None of us knows that decision equated to CC or Whitmer being better. It could very much been the thinking that CC and CW were merely a bridge to a longer-term solution. We don't know. Assuming the staff thought Whitmer is/was/maybe better because they played him this year is an assumption.
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It makes sense. Whitmer is gone after this year. Boyle instantly becomes the most experienced QB on the roster. Take advantage of the opportunity to get him snaps.
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Boy a LOT of BYers are going to eat crow after this Boise game.
I am solidly in the camp that TB will perform better than last year and will make headway and be our starter by the Temple game, bringing this program back from the dumpster.
Now the ones quoting copious statistics from TB's games as a young unprepared freshman last year (against very strong competition) will be served the dish cold. I do admire their memory of the statistics, I for one have erased them from my mind. They mean nothing.
If for some reason Whitmer plays lights out, and TB is bad, I will gladly eat two helpings.
I am solidly in the camp that TB will perform better than last year and will make headway and be our starter by the Temple game, bringing this program back from the dumpster.
Now the ones quoting copious statistics from TB's games as a young unprepared freshman last year (against very strong competition) will be served the dish cold. I do admire their memory of the statistics, I for one have erased them from my mind. They mean nothing.
If for some reason Whitmer plays lights out, and TB is bad, I will gladly eat two helpings.
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Did you watch Whitmer last year and last week. You can't win with him. Everything you wrote about Boyle is true of Whitmer and it's worse.
At least Boyle has potential. He also is a much more talented player.
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I'm very happy that Whitmer decided to come back this year - it took some guts and we would be 800 different kinds of f---ed right now if he hadn't. He deserves to be recognized anywhere UConn fans congregate until his dying day.
That said, I think Boyle is our best chance going forward. I don't care that he looked a little shaky as a true freaking freshman last year after Coach F---stick and a his evil assistant blew his redshirt.
That said, I think Boyle is our best chance going forward. I don't care that he looked a little shaky as a true freaking freshman last year after Coach F---stick and a his evil assistant blew his redshirt.
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just to be clear; I believe Coach TJW blew the RS, as the infamous duo was gone before USF. I recognize they did a lot wrong, but I belive it was TJ that took the RS off.
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Well it was P that had him in the game plan that Weist got stuck with. He deserves at least an acknowledgement for the blame.
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He actually looked OK at the start, then his receivers let him down big-time. He started forcing things a bit after that. I think he picked up a lot by watching CC finish the year. He is definitely a better choice than CW.
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I keep telling you guys. Study Hayden Fry and you will better understand Bob Diaco. He was ready for Casey to go down. You know Boyle will be getting snaps!
(Having a proven winner returning at quarterback) makes you feel very confident about your offense, ... But the thing that offsets that confidence is the fact that as a coach you're always scared to death that your number one quarterback, who is really outstanding, is going to become injured. Normally, the drop-off to number two is pretty big because they are so good that it's pretty hard for the number two to fill their shoes. Hayden Fry
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Saturday will be very interesting. Like last year, Boyle will be facing his first competition against one of our strongest opponents. The difference this time is he's gotten bigger and stronger. Hopefully his back is totally healed and won't impair his effectiveness. He still has the talented arm and can run--faster than opponents expect. And he's buckled down on the playbook. What he's hopefully worked hardest on are the leadership intangibles. I do know he's been getting mentored. Boyle is a great kid in so many ways but what he lacks is that natural swagger a team expects from their QB to rally the troops as they go to battle. That's the element that separated CC from the pack. In every group of guys there's always the alpha male who others gravitate to and like to follow. As Tom Izzo says--(and I'm paraphrasing a discussion I heard) "When a quiet kid says 'Coach I lead by example' it isn't enough. The other kids can't always perceive it. There needs to be vocal demonstrative leadership from your floor leader. In the game and on the sideline. That's what we lacked at MSU last year. UConn had Shabazz. I saw him directing, admonishing, rejoicing, heck he even pushed some players. That's the kind of leadership that matters to a team. They don't come around that often. I had Mateen Cleaves--a few others. Those are the kids that can carry a team to unexpected success."
If Tim has somehow managed to uncover that leadership gene and the team responds in both its "protections and receptions"--lol---who knows where he can take the Huskies. Let the fun begin.
If Tim has somehow managed to uncover that leadership gene and the team responds in both its "protections and receptions"--lol---who knows where he can take the Huskies. Let the fun begin.
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