'UCONN: The One That Got Away'

[btstimpy]

I've known plenty of wahoos over the years and I still have my doubts that stimpy is a real wahoo. At a minimum he is nothing like any hoo that graduated from Thomas Jefferson's grand academic institution at any point prior to 1995.

BS in May, 1986 to be specific. Seems like yesterday, but it was a long time ago. Georgia Tech grad school MS in December, 1987.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I'd change those odds to 10%, 5%, and 50% respectively. And on the P5 becoming P4, that will only happen if Texas decides to change conferences causing the Big XII to scatter to other conferences.

We can agree to disagree but my logic is based on the ACC not wanting to go to court (to avoid discovery), so therefore MD's "win" and the potential reaction by other conferences and ACC schools to then talk about movement. Desparation then sets in because whatever hopes of an ACC Network then completely die off and institutional confidence in a comparative "rich" ACC future die off as well.

 

[upstater]

That was when BC and Syracuse played in a league that was only visible north of Washington, DC and east of Pittsburgh. The World has changed for both of them, and they both have access to much larger recruiting areas due to where they both are now playing. It's no longer the case that they have to fight with each other and UConn over 20 kids each year in Connecticut. And UConn can still get its share of them being in the AAC anyway. This is short sighted.

For football anyway they both will be required to recruit in the south if they want to win. UConn will too. In basketball, they can recruit nationally. Boston College in basketball, however, seem to want to develop minor league coaches by throwing them up against the hall of fame coaches in the ACC to see what happens. They tried it with an Ivy League Coach, and they are trying it again with a MAC Coach. Nothing against these coaches, but that is trial by fire. Virginia Tech was doing that. Now they've actually hired an experienced coach from a major conference.

And yet BC and Syracuse are still so worried about UConn that they are against adding it. Seriously, what more needs to even be said?

 

[btstimpy]

And yet BC and Syracuse are still so worried about UConn that they are against adding it. Seriously, what more needs to even be said?

I hear you, but come on there are 3 schools within 20 miles of each other in North Carolina in the ACC, and Virginia and Virginia Tech share a state for recruiting. It is a stupid reason for them to have. You'd think they would want more local rivalries.

 

[btstimpy]

We can agree to disagree but my logic is based on the ACC not wanting to go to court (to avoid discovery), so therefore MD's "win" and the potential reaction by other conferences and ACC schools to then talk about movement. Desparation then sets in because whatever hopes of an ACC Network then completely die off and institutional confidence in a comparative "rich" ACC future die off as well.

We can agree to disagree. You think that there is something to discover. I'm confident that there isn't.

 

[SubbaBub]

I hear you, but come on there are 3 schools within 20 miles of each other in North Carolina in the ACC, and Virginia and Virginia Tech share a state for recruiting. It is a stupid reason for them to have. You'd think they would want more local rivalries.

Correct, you think they would like to build their own faction of influence within the ACC. Instead they appear to be content to go it alone. If there is anything UConn and the former BE schools (the lot of them) should have learned it's the importance of interschool cooperation. The C7 had it out of necessity, but at least they had it.

 

[upstater]

I hear you, but come on there are 3 schools within 20 miles of each other in North Carolina in the ACC, and Virginia and Virginia Tech share a state for recruiting. It is a stupid reason for them to have. You'd think they would want more local rivalries.

But we're explaining why we despise the ACC for the whole way Swofford went about it, and the fact that several programs inside the conference want to see UConn die. This is the main reason why the ACC gets so much you-know-what on this board.

 

[SAMCRO]

The only desperation that has occurred was the Big Ten's addition of Maryland and Rutgers. The direct quote from Jim Delaney was "We felt threatened." And Maryland's move was desperate because their athletics department was falling apart due to mismanagement, and the Big Ten sold them on a possible lucrative business venture.

Let's see, B1G adds state flagship research universities who share a similar mission to all other schools in their conference after a very long vetting process; the ACC, who is caught off guard at UMd leaving, adds UL in a matter of months, a school with nothing in common w/ the ACC universities. All this while FSU and Clemson are rumored to be heading to the B12 if they don't get their way. The ACC bends over to get ND in the conference in all sports except for the one that they are truly known for. Which sounds desperate to you?

 

[btstimpy]

Let's see, B1G adds state flagship research universities who share a similar mission to all other schools in their conference after a very long vetting process; the ACC, who is caught off guard at UMd leaving, adds UL in a matter of months, a school with nothing in common w/ the ACC universities. All this while FSU and Clemson are rumored to be heading to the B12 if they don't get their way. The ACC bends over to get ND in the conference in all sports except for the one that they are truly known for. Which sounds desperate to you?

ACC added UL in 4 days after UMd left. The ACC had been vetting candidates for 18 months. Jim Delaney's direct comment was "We felt threatened." The PAC 12 had just rejected his scheduling alliance idea, and he had just lost Notre Dame for forever or at least until forever after he is retired. I know who was desperate. Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin and Gene Smith of Ohio State have both said that they were worried about losing Penn State. Those are sounds you need to listen to.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Let's not forget who raised the $50M fence to keep (more) members from escaping.

 

[NickyNewark]

If the ACC were to ever implode, UVA would certainly go to the B1G. The UVA Board of Visitors would never allow their school to be a part of the SEC.

The UNC administration would feel the same way.

However, UNC fans would want the SEC overwhelmingly. They would want annual rivalry games with border states SC, Georgia, and, Tennessee, over OSU, UM, and, MSU. As much as I respect those programs, and, their histories, I have zero desire to venture to Columbus, Ann Arbor, or, East Lansing for games.

We have attendance issues now. If Carolina ever joined the B1G, I believe the fanbase would be in complete revolt, and, you'd REALLY see how empty our venues would be.

Kudo's to you SouthronCross Im sorry you're sorta caught in the crossfire as u ring genuine but certain others seem to like fanning the flames with arrogance. I for one listen to what you say intently. Some of the "others" ACC posters post have a bad smell to them but you'res are welcome with me.

 

[NickyNewark]

If the ACC were to ever implode, UVA would certainly go to the B1G. The UVA Board of Visitors would never allow their school to be a part of the SEC.

The UNC administration would feel the same way.

However, UNC fans would want the SEC overwhelmingly. They would want annual rivalry games with border states SC, Georgia, and, Tennessee, over OSU, UM, and, MSU. As much as I respect those programs, and, their histories, I have zero desire to venture to Columbus, Ann Arbor, or, East Lansing for games.

We have attendance issues now. If Carolina ever joined the B1G, I believe the fanbase would be in complete revolt, and, you'd REALLY see how empty our venues would be.

Like you SC but have to disagree here as B1G fans can take over stadiums even at away games....What NC fans don't show 20 B1G fans will take their place and seats and you're attencence would probably IMPROVE !! I know RU is worried cause 4 or 5 B1G school's fans are buying season ticket's to go to 1 single RU game and are willing to pay exorbitant prices.No contest here the ACC has horrible attendance problems at many school's....the "U" gets way more fans at OOC away games than at home games(I saw 1 game est 300 fannies) and their 1 of the ACC's highlighted FB programs....theres FSU,Clemson and who? VT maybe but who else?

 

[whaler11]

RU is worried that people are buying tickets? I guess they really thought giving them away was the right thing to do.

 

[SAMCRO]

ACC added UL in 4 days after UMd left. The ACC had been vetting candidates for 18 months. Jim Delaney's direct comment was "We felt threatened." The PAC 12 had just rejected his scheduling alliance idea, and he had just lost Notre Dame for forever or at least until forever after he is retired. I know who was desperate. Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin and Gene Smith of Ohio State have both said that they were worried about losing Penn State. Those are sounds you need to listen to.

You're either in denial or delusional, not sure yet. As Seea Blue stated, one league jacked up their exit fee, gave a sweetheart deal to ND for all sports but the one they're famous for, and invited a school that has ZERO in common with the rest of the schools in the league. The other conference stuck to their consistent approach of adding state flagships to help their network.

 

[pj]

ACC added UL in 4 days after UMd left. The ACC had been vetting candidates for 18 months. Jim Delaney's direct comment was "We felt threatened." The PAC 12 had just rejected his scheduling alliance idea, and he had just lost Notre Dame for forever or at least until forever after he is retired. I know who was desperate. Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin and Gene Smith of Ohio State have both said that they were worried about losing Penn State. Those are sounds you need to listen to.

Yes, they were worried about losing Penn State, they needed more of an eastern presence, and they got it. Worrying is not a sign of desperation, it is a sign of a proactive person who recognizes future threats and preempts them. Whereas waiting for a departure to actually happen, and then scrambling to find a replacement, and in a period of 4 days reversing the long-planned choice of replacement based on lobbying, is desperation.

 

[NickyNewark]

I'd change those odds to 10%, 5%, and 50% respectively. And on the P5 becoming P4, that will only happen if Texas decides to change conferences causing the Big XII to scatter to other conferences.

God....you're obviously in denial.

 

[NickyNewark]

You're either in denial or delusional, not sure yet. As Seea Blue stated, one league jacked up their exit fee, gave a sweetheart deal to ND for all sports but the one they're famous for, and invited a school that has ZERO in common with the rest of the schools in the league. The other conference stuck to their consistent approach of adding state flagships to help their network.

Sorry SAMCRO I said the same(denial) thing before scrolling down to you're post. Doe's stimpster have an agenda? Or just stubbornly unwilling to listen? Either way I pegged him and his smooth intentions from the beginning when some thought I was too harsh on him early on.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

UConn has no presence or pull in Boston.

 

[huskyniner]

Could UConn be the first team to forge a common bond among NYC and Boston fans?

 

[Pat125]

I think there would be desperation if/when the ACC loses its lawsuit with MD (whether it is in the courts or via a settlement that is perceived as a MD win), and/or when two or more schools leave for greener outcomes (FSU, Clemson, VA), or if the P5 shows strong signs of becoming the P4. Imo, 75%, 50%, and 33% chance respectively.

Those percentages are about right. For the first, this assumes there is no further discovery, and also assumes the NC court will not be biased towards the ACC. For the second, this is for ten years. I don't see any team leaving in the next couple of years. If P5 does become P4, the percentages are 80% the Big 12 will cease to exist, 60% for the ACC, and 40% the two leagues will merge.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Could UConn be the first team to forge a common bond among NYC and Boston fans?

The second. It happened about 240 years ago.

 

[btstimpy]

Yes, they were worried about losing Penn State, they needed more of an eastern presence, and they got it. Worrying is not a sign of desperation, it is a sign of a proactive person who recognizes future threats and preempts them. Whereas waiting for a departure to actually happen, and then scrambling to find a replacement, and in a period of 4 days reversing the long-planned choice of replacement based on lobbying, is desperation.

They didn't need an eastern presence. They already had Penn State. In college football there are only 2 teams, Penn State and Notre Dame. No one else moves the needle at all from a college perspective. The Big Ten already had Penn State, and they had Notre Dame playing them at least 3 games a season. When the Big Ten lost Notre Dame football, they felt threatened and desperate. You have to be desperate to add Rutgers athletics to anything, flag waving or not. And Maryland is in a desperate situation with its finances athletically. It has flushed 25% of its athletics department. Flushed. That is not worrying. That is desperate.

 

[btstimpy]

God....you're obviously in denial.

No denial here. I'm right on top of it, and follow it every day. I just needed to correct his percentages.

 

[CTMike]

Could UConn be the first team to forge a common bond among NYC and Boston fans?

UConn is the only team my wife and I can agree on!

 

[HuskyHawk]

Could UConn be the first team to forge a common bond among NYC and Boston fans?

NY counts Fairfield Cty as it's own, and loves a winner. So UConn is already NY's basketball team. St. John's passed the baton when Lou retired and Jackson, Mullin and Berry left campus (damn that was a good team). As I tried to say on the other thread, Boston also loves a winner, and is looking for somebody to fill the void created when O'Brien left BC and Jim Calhoun left Northeastern (and Calipari left UMass for that matter). They are so desperate they've grown fond of Harvard. They already love the UConn women. Calhoun is from Braintree, Shabazz is from Roxbury. Some of BC's and UMass' best players were from CT (Bagley, Adams, Camby). No, college basketball won't be the biggest game in town, but what support there is can certainly belong to UConn, or at worst be shared with BC.

 

[SouthronCross]

We don't really even need to get into comparisons to address this issue. The attitude toward the ACC is surely the result of BC blackballing UConn, FSU and Clemson aligning against it, Cuse adding its 2 cents that it would like to see UConn die. This should explain everything. It's not a matter of judging UConn worthy or not.

OK, I completely understand the dislike of the ACC. No problems there. I was just offering up what I think might happen if Carolina were ever faced with a choice of where to go if the ACC imploded.

Believe me, I was in no way judging UConn's worthiness. You already know my POV about you being in this league. We blew it, plain and simple.

 

[upstater]

OK, I completely understand the dislike of the ACC. No problems there. I was just offering up what I think might happen if Carolina were ever faced with a choice of where to go if the ACC imploded.

Believe me, I was in no way judging UConn's worthiness. You already know my POV about you being in this league. We blew it, plain and simple.

I totally understand UNC's perspective on the SEC. My cousin started speaking with a southern drawl a few months after moving there from Conn. Now on Facebook, I see she's in for the whole southern thang. Which is amazing. The cultural pull down there is strong.

 

[SouthronCross]

Like you SC but have to disagree here as B1G fans can take over stadiums even at away games....What NC fans don't show 20 B1G fans will take their place and seats and you're attencence would probably IMPROVE !!

Oh, I know B1G fans travel well. I was speaking just to how out own fans would react to that choice is all.

I know RU is worried cause 4 or 5 B1G school's fans are buying season ticket's to go to 1 single RU game and are willing to pay exorbitant prices.No contest here the ACC has horrible attendance problems at many school's....the "U" gets way more fans at OOC away games than at home games(I saw 1 game est 300 fannies) and their 1 of the ACC's highlighted FB programs....theres FSU,Clemson and who? VT maybe but who else?

FSU, Clemson, VPI, and NCSU all have full stadia each Saturday. I really have to tip my cap to Wolfpackers, because they haven't had one ounce of the success that the others have, and yet, they still fill Carter-Finley Stadium each week. It sort of makes me a bit envious, because our fanbase is so non-caring at times. UVA does ok, as do we, but, nothing like either of us SHOULD BE doing. We've discussed Miami's issues here before, and, Ga Tech is surrounded by UGA zealots. The rest suffer from either very small fanbases, apathy, or both, IMHO.

 

[SouthronCross]

I totally understand UNC's perspective on the SEC. My cousin started speaking with a southern drawl a few months after moving there from Conn. Now on Facebook, I see she's in for the whole southern thang. Which is amazing. The cultural pull down there is strong.

It really is amazing. Some of my friends and neighbors often tell me that their families sometimes laugh at them for the slight Southern accents they pick up while living down here...LOL.

 

[NickyNewark]

It really is amazing. Some of my friends and neighbors often tell me that their families sometimes laugh at them for the slight Southern accents they pick up while living down here...LOL.

My aunt and 2 cousins left NJ as solid NE citizens for Fla to get out of the snow in the early 70s. 1 now on FaceBook thinks he's Robert E Lee southern and on FB where it asks where he's from instead of like I would proudly say NYC/NJ he claims Orlando ....talk about me being disappointed? My aunt wants to move back now since her husband passed as she miss's NYC metro,4 seasons,culture etc but won't leave due to her sons living there and loving it though their heritage goes back 160 yrs here in NY/NJ/Pa. WTF is wrong with some people? Brainwashed?Too humid for my celtic blood down there though I like the Key's and some of NW.Fla.