UConn-Providence post game thread

[drweo]

she wasn’t ejected because it was not “a clear swing” at Edward’s. The player was going up for a rebound and Edward’s caught an elbow. It happens.

I thought that the rebound had already been settled before the elbow flew.

 

[Bone Dog]

Any word on how KK is doing?

KK apparently said after the game that she'll be ready. I suspect she's as tough as Nika in these sorts of things.

 

[Fore!]

At the beginning of the second quarter Ice was called for a charging foul when a Providence player fell to the floor. To me, it appeared to be an obvious flop. The Providence player appeared to be nearly flat on her back before Ice touched her. Did anyone else see this play as being a flop?

Agree. That was as blatant a flop as I’ve ever seen; perhaps the ref’s were out of position to see it.

 

[ed4ourgirls]

Two days after not being named BE Freshman of the year, KK has one of her best games.

Of course this may just be a coincidence.

 

[Bills Fan]

Only what I mentioned in the first post. The players aren’t who I’d blame. It was the officiating. They allowed too much contact in the first quarter and didn’t try to rein it in until it was too late. It can be a tricky balance for refs to strike. I think they just got it way wrong today. It starts with not calling interior contact and moving screens closely enough — against both teams — and then you get increasingly aggressive hand contact and hip checks on cuts and rebounding. And typically the underdogs will take their cue from this. The league — and maybe the NCAA as a whole — might want to revisit guidance for officials. It seems like this is overdue.

I've seen a number of games where the refs stopped play and called the two HC's together for a short discussion and all the problems pretty much ended.

 

[hoophuskee]

I just don't see the intentionality of the foul on Aaliyah. The fouler had her back to Aaliyah, focused on the rebound. Definitely a foul, but intentional? There were a lot worse calls in the game, like some phantom calls against Ash and Ice.

What does "focus" have to do with anything? In other words how much difference is there between focus for a rebound vs making an intentional foul? Can't you do both? The reason why you may foul is that you are "focused" to stop the other, right? So, why are you putting so much emphasis on "focus." It’s; like saying in my guard days I was "focused" to take the player’s right hand away so when they went right sometimes I would raise my left arm to touch against the neck so they would slow down enough so I wouldn't get beat off the dribble. It just so happens on that play they went down in a heap "but what's the big deal, I was "focused?" That's what it sems like you are saying. While exaggerated, the point is that there should not be two ways to call a game – one for the inside and one for the perimeter. A foul is still a foul. And intentional is still intentional. Allowing a player to use her arm to go high above the shoulder in which she knows the other player is there – there is intent to stop by fouling- not to get a rebound but to foul the other to prevent them from getting the rebound. That is not a basketball play. The fact she was going high up to stop makes it that much worse.

And I couldn't disagree more about worse fouls. When you flatten another player, how can there be anything worse than that? Just because a fan might be mroe wiling to accept physical play as "not a foul" -- well that ain't the rules.

Bottom-line is- when someone throws an elbow (or arm(s) flailing high behind them high with a good chance to connect they can be focused on the rebound too but the elbow/arm still is high and against the rules of above-the-shoulder contact.

In this case how can anyone say she was going for the rebound as her left arm is winding up at swinging backwards? That is not going for a rebound. The arm was designed to stop the other/ foul them in order to get the rebound.

 

[my2cents]

At the beginning of the second quarter Ice was called for a charging foul when a Providence player fell to the floor. To me, it appeared to be an obvious flop. The Providence player appeared to be nearly flat on her back before Ice touched her. Did anyone else see this play as being a flop?

you are 100% correct. She was falling backwards without any contact.

 

[Bone Dog]

you are 100% correct. She was falling backwards without any contact.

Even more, she had slid under Ice so she had no landing spot.

 

[RoadMaster]

Swipe

 

[topogigio]

Why would this coach be responsible for the last 9 years? This is her first year as the PC coach and only one of the regular players is her recruit. And that is Romero who’s one of her best players. Maybe wait to judge her until she’s had a chance to bring in her own kids.

My point is that the current coach in her first year at Providence has done nothing out of the ordinary with this team, and the team is performing at the same level as basically the past 9 years. If you go back and listen to the game, the announcers couldn't stop with the constant high praise for the coach: how she has turned things around, instilled a new culture, and doesn't swear but says "ham sandwich" instead. She certainly knows how to get her players to play with "reckless abandon" physical play. I agree with you as to judging her until she brings in her own kids, (and has a resume) before you anoint her as the best thing in Friarland since sliced bread!

 

[Bigboote]

My wife and I said to each other about halfway through the second quarter that the refs had lost control and needed to reign it in before someone got hurt. Unfortunately for UConn and its fans that didn’t happen.

We both laughed when the announcers said the refs were auditioning for the NCAAs. Yeah, in what universe?

 

[ed4ourgirls]

The more draconian the penalty the less likely the refs are to call it. How many
players have been thrown out of a game this season? Any? Probably no more
than could be counted on the fingers of one hand.

If Paige got tossed for committing an intentional foul it would be catastrophic
for the team. Of course, our girls would never commit an intentional foul. Right?

 

[topogigio]

Give her a break; she's in her first season.

I'm talking about the announcers constant blathering about the coach!

 

[Inthepaint]

I believe opposing coaches took notice of how UCF "played" us back in the AAC days and have used that against us. We can't/shouldn't do anything different to prepare for "physical" opponents except hope that the refs decide to call the game correctly.
The next time I hear the TV analyst say that our opponents are being physical, I will select the mute button.
I am soooooo proud of our Huskies for turning it up a couple notches and turning a 3rd quarter single digit lead to a 4th quarter 30+ point lead!!!!!

I remember Geno during a halftime interview saying of UCF “ If you can’t beat ‘em, beat ‘em up”

 

[Cuango]

The refs definitely were not in control of this game! This kind of thing will unfortunately continue to happen until someone really gets hurt. Even though I concur the foul was probably unintentional she was clearly playing in an unsafe manner. That in itself should be grounds for ejection. Sure, there would need to be a warning first but this girl was playing like that the whole time she was on the floor. Refs have to be better!

 

[Bills Fan]

I have to mention what I consider the play of the game and the type of play(er) who will be missed next year. Right after the Aaliyah incident, Nika had the ball and drove right into the player (#23) who had smacked Liya. Nika could very easily have avoided the contact but I think she clearly wanted to send a message to THAT PLAYER and the rest of the PC team, along with firing up her Husky teammates (especially ICE), who then turned the game into a rout.

Nika you and your passion are going to be missed! Go get that career assist record.

 

[Florida Fan]

she wasn’t ejected because it was not “a clear swing” at Edward’s. The player was going up for a rebound and Edward’s caught an elbow. It happens.

Agree; she had no idea where Alya was, not looking at her, but still careless.

 

[Cornell Lt]

At the beginning of the second quarter Ice was called for a charging foul when a Providence player fell to the floor. To me, it appeared to be an obvious flop. The Providence player appeared to be nearly flat on her back before Ice touched her. Did anyone else see this play as being a flop?

The Providence player was falling backward at 30-45 degree angle before any contact was made. What's the sense in having rules if you don't enforce them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Plebe]

 

[BobbyJ]

My point is that the current coach in her first year at Providence has done nothing out of the ordinary with this team, and the team is performing at the same level as basically the past 9 years. If you go back and listen to the game, the announcers couldn't stop with the constant high praise for the coach: how she has turned things around, instilled a new culture, and doesn't swear but says "ham sandwich" instead. She certainly knows how to get her players to play with "reckless abandon" physical play. I agree with you as to judging her until she brings in her own kids, (and has a resume) before you anoint her as the best thing in Friarland since sliced bread!

In 2021-22 the media was saying all the same things about Shea Ralph at Vanderbilt, how great she was going to be for the program. The previous 5 years under Stephanie White were lousy and they canned her. She's now a respected HC in the WNBA. Vanderbilt didn't play any better under Ralph her first year either, 16-19. Did that bother you too? Point is that no coach looks very good when they don't have talent. What do you think Auriemma would be doing with Providence's roster, especially in the first year?

 

[ABCDFE]

I loved watching the team today. The game had us in a real dog fight into the third quarter, but what I saw today from the team is very encouraging. We were playing great in the first quarter and then you could see providence ratchet up their physicality and we struggled with that and also struggled to contain efosa. What I liked is how we responded by playing ultra hard and tougher like a boxer we hung in there and fought back for the knock out. Kk was outstanding and Ice really matched their physicality. I still think Shade is passing up too many shots as I’d like to see her be more aggressive and get that 3 or shot back on track.

In terms of the physical play. It’s no surprise how teams pay us now. It’s been happening for many years since Stewie left. I always liken the strategy to what Belechick did with his patriots against the St Louis rams. Hold and play physical because the refs can’t call everything every single play. Couple this with good guard play against us to get us in foul trouble or get to the foul line. When we had enough talent and depth in the front court this was strategy that UConn could weather but now teams know to have a chance it’s gotta be closer to the UCF strategy.

Paige awesome today. If Liya can’t play the silver lining is Ice will be thrown into the fire and. I think she will respond. I also like seeing Nika play aggressive, even if she drives and misses she makes the defense play her. Hope Qadence can learn to drive and pull up more inside the three. Her drive at the end is something I think she can do more of.

 

[BRS24]

I loved watching the team today. The game had us in a real dog fight into the third quarter, but what I saw today from the team is very encouraging. We were playing great in the first quarter and then you could see providence ratchet up their physicality and we struggled with that and also struggled to contain efosa. What I liked is how we responded by playing ultra hard and tougher like a boxer we hung in there and fought back for the knock out. Kk was outstanding and Ice really matched their physicality. I still think Shade is passing up too many shots as I’d like to see her be more aggressive and get that 3 or shot back on track.

In terms of the physical play. It’s no surprise how teams pay us now. It’s been happening for many years since Stewie left. I always liken the strategy to what Belechick did with his patriots against the St Louis rams. Hold and play physical because the refs can’t call everything every single play. Couple this with good guard play against us to get us in foul trouble or get to the foul line. When we had enough talent and depth in the front court this was strategy that UConn could weather but now teams know to have a chance it’s gotta be closer to the UCF strategy.

Paige awesome today. If Liya can’t play the silver lining is Ice will be thrown into the fire and. I think she will respond. I also like seeing Nika play aggressive, even if she drives and misses she makes the defense play her. Hope Qadence can learn to drive and pull up more inside the three. Her drive at the end is something I think she can do more of.

Thanks for all these good points about our game.

 

[jabstep]

My greatest fear was realized today. Providence spurred on by their coach got one of the magnificent 7 injured with their type of play. Not all of the Providence players are like that . Number 2 on Providence is one the best Players in the Big East the way she played today on offense and defense. It is a shame we are up by 30 and don't have enough substitutes to remove one of our starters. Two years in a row. They will have to increase our scholarships to 20 soon.

 

[UCONNRPh]

Two days after not being named BE Freshman of the year, KK has one of her best games.

Of course this may just be a coincidence.

Shade MUCH more consistent than Arnold. She deserved it

 

[FormerCTrez]

No progress has been made on the contact above the shoulders issue. Why? Because there are never consequences.

Just so tired of the cheap shots UConn players have to endure. As was posted, no consequences so teams will continue to play "beat up UConn players". Maybe it's time for UConn to get an enforcer - someone who won't mind being ejected for hammering someone on the other team.

Bottom line we won, by a lot. But Q2 and the start of Q3 was not pretty. Red flags for sure, but nothing can be done now. Needed to be fixed earlier. We can only ride the horses we have. Special shout out to KK for finding her shot!

Let me just say this, I don’t like it one bit, and I’m very PO’d by the injury caused to Aaliyah. I ask the same question, how many times must the UConn players get beaten up, and no penalties paid by the opponent? Yet, when Ice barely brushes up against the opponents, it’s an automatic foul!!! I am so ticked off to see Aaliyah bleeding, and then to hear her cry.

But I blame the officials, especially today. Yes, the guys with the whistles. Because, if they’d called a foul on either of the two Providence players who fouled Aaliyah hard earlier, then all everyone would’ve been warned about the penalty for dirty plays.

I think the NCAA should recommend a stiff(er) penalty for these kinds of plays. One where the opponent gets two free throws, the ball, and the “dirty player” gets ejected, and suspended for the next two games, regardless if it’s regular or post-season. This just has to stop!!

PS: I just don’t like to see a dirty play towards anyone, not just my favorite team.

 

[topogigio]

In 2021-22 the media was saying all the same things about Shea Ralph at Vanderbilt, how great she was going to be for the program. The previous 5 years under Stephanie White were lousy and they canned her. She's now a respected HC in the WNBA. Vanderbilt didn't play any better under Ralph her first year either, 16-19. Did that bother you too? Point is that no coach looks very good when they don't have talent. What do you think Auriemma would be doing with Providence's roster, especially in the first year?

It's the announcers I have the issue with, not the coach! The coach needs to prove her mettle before announcers tell us every 5 minutes how great she is. She may prove to be a great coach, then the announcers can tell us what a great job she is doing/done. Until then, just call the game!

 

[Woof 101]

Give her a break; she's in her first season.

Yes but you don't teach basketball players to play like gladiators. ............ But that was her call.

 

[FormerCTrez]

My biggest take away from this game was don't piss off this UConn team. After Aaliyah went down, Nika had that drive to the bucket and an And One. Her reaction to scoring said it all. That startd the team to end Providence's hope of an upset.

To the Big East - when are you going to deal with shots to the head and face? Just calling an intentional foul, 2 shots and posession is not enough. That is not a consequence for a shot that injures a player. A shot to the head should be an ejection at a minimum. Maybe add a one game suspicion.

Kudos to Paige. What a game. Kudos to KK for her play on both sides of the ball. And kudos to Ice. She held her own.

@huskeynut, you and I are thinking alike. I just got home and posted something similar to your post, prior to reading the board. So yes, I believe a stiffer penalty must be done by the NCAA or Conference. These cheap shots just got to stop!!

 

[BBallF]

All of the most important points have been made already but I will repeat what I have said over and over on this site. When the refs do not control the game they and the ones who train them or hire them are responsible for the consequences of physical play. If that same officiating took place in a mens tourney game, there would be a fight every 5 minutes. They refuse to enforce the rules of the game when women play even more so than when men play. Why? One day, there will be a life altering injury directly attributable to their incompetence, laziness, sexism and cowardice. When that happens, the league, the NCAA, and the refs will all be held accountable in another forum.

I feel terrible for Aaliyah. She is gentle, rational, doesn't try to get over with the rules, is always under control and a constant victim of the old "If you can't beat them, beat them up" approach by inferior players. Perhaps Val Ackermann should spend some time looking into this issue and protect the women who play this sport also. Ya think?

 

[FormerCTrez]

At the beginning of the second quarter Ice was called for a charging foul when a Providence player fell to the floor. To me, it appeared to be an obvious flop. The Providence player appeared to be nearly flat on her back before Ice touched her. Did anyone else see this play as being a flop?

Those are the kind of calls the refs make against UCONN, especially, Ice. Yet they allow a beat-down on Aaliyah. Always!!