UConn-Providence post game thread

[Zonepress]

If you think I haven’t watched the P5 conferences you must not have read many posts here. Yes they have rough play too and it sometimes gets out of hand. If Angel Reese got injured and couldn’t continue in the tournament or the NCAAs, would you think the SEC should do something? Oh, wait, Angel was injured yesterday. Or if someone broke Caitlin’s nose in the Big10 tournament?

Your post is pretty accurate
Imho these games, get very physical, because uconn plays almost 100% in the half court
Due to all the injuries, they are not able to press and play up-tempo and make it a 90 ft game
Stuck in the half court The way basketball seems to be referee these days there’s constant contact
Especially off the ball and UConn does it’s fair share
If UConn had its full roster, I don’t think we’d even be talking about this kind of thing
In a game like today in Uconn would have pressed from the opening tap and had the game put away five minutes in
All of that being said, teams with very little talent will generally fall on pretty much every possession, knowing that the referees are not gonna call everything and that’s kind of where the game was today

 

[Boreifs]

Why is a day off for this conference?

Contract with Mohegan Sun. It would be more difficult to sell five day packages.

 

[hoophuskee]

I concur. Providence payer should have been moved from the court

I tried to look up who I could contact in the Big East to voice my displeasure and ofc be civil about it but wasn’t sure who to contact. Just want an explanation why winding up and slashing a player above the head is not an automatic ejection once you rule it was "intentional."

IMO let's be clear- these are college kids. They are smart. The opposing center knows exactly the height if Edwards. IMO she should never be winding up as high as she did vs a player she knows is smaller in height. The intent was definitely not to hurt but the intent is equivalent to malign a non-basketball play when you swing high (wind up) and connect above the head with someone you well know is behind you. She wound up and swing high and followed through behind her. When a player doe that they have no thought of where there swinging might wind up.

It's one thing to keep your arms to collect a rebound. It also okay if you didn’t know someone was behind you or that player was shorter that you just aren't accustomed to fending against. It's also excusable if the arm hits they should then follow up to the face (in terms of not getting ejected.).

Unless some of you that played in College or the Pros can explain why this scenario doesn't warrant ejection and/or this happens all the time? I wouldn't believe it but willing to listen. When you wind up and extend high where do you think your arm is going to go against the other player that you would know very well their height and that they are behind you?

Just asking for an at-the--moment-ejection. Not suspension for next year or other as long as they ejected. Instead, what do we see form this same PC kid in this game in the 4th qtr? She knocks KK down on illegal pick. And KK is not an easy kid to knock down. Then she thinks she is Scottie Pippen and tires to trap probably the quickest guard in the Big East KK - hits with her knee causing KK to collapse. She had no realistic shot to trap her as a center. I get it she has to try but she and others like her also need to be penalized when things go too far. You can't totally excuse players that just aren’t aware what type of injuries they may cause all in the name of hustle.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

 

[Blueballer]

I’m not sure any were intentional. She threw her arm out, but had no idea Aaliyah’s face was there. KK hit her thigh on her knee trying to go around. Not sure which #3 is, but I don’t think the other 2 were intentional. She tried to apologize in the handshake line.

AE had put her hand on the girls back miliseconds before the foul. That girl knew eactly where AE's head was from that contact. I remember in the 90's Othella Harrington of Georgetown was a master at this. He did exactly the same thing to Donyell Marshall one time. He knew Marshall was in back of him and he swung that wild blind arm backwards and caught Donyell in the throat. And then he would always act like he had no idea anybody was there. It is something players can do and that it what it must be called. It you're just placing the arm out to fend somebody off that's one thing. But this was a swing.

 

[fomalhaut]

Anyone else tired of the fawning over the Providence coach? Except for the covid year, 2020-21, their year to year record have been fairly consistent the past 9 years, no change this year, either!

Give her a break; she's in her first season.

 

[Rowdy831]

KK played an exceptional game today on both ends of the court. If she continues to play offense too it will give UConn a definite shot in the arm down the stretch. Paige played well early and late but had a sluggish middle which gave Providence a chance to stick around. Nika had like zero shots in the first half and she needs to look to score at least a little bit.

The shot AE took to the face didn't look like the player was trying to hurt anyone on the play. As I saw it, the elbow got up and make a perfect connection with AE's face and that was some really bad luck. The silver lining though is AE is the one player on UConn that has worn a mask and was able to be really good. She will be back, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.

Ice was not playing a good game until AE went down. It seemed like she got more focused and certainly more determined to be an asset not a liability for UConn today. That is the type of play she is capable of but it was also the first time she really played that position all year so good for her.

 

[hoophuskee]

he threw her arm out, but had no idea Aaliyah’s face was there

Not true at all. She is defending one player, one legit offensive rebounder on UCONN. You can further see on the review when Edwards is sliding to the basket to to get the Offensive Rebound so is the PC Center. They had their hands on each other at the point of the rebound. How can you say "She didn't know where Edwards was?" They both have their hands /arms on each other.

 

[fomalhaut]

I can remember when basketball was not a contact sport. Half of the non calls would have been a foul when I played in the mid 60's to early 70's.

The referees had plenty of warning well before the injuries (even the FS1 announcers noticed the physicality was getting out of hand when Edwards got knocked down the first time). The inside play looked like a rugby scrum.

There was also one play where Providence got a steal and someone was breaking in for a layup and only Shade was back. She blatantly pushed off with her lead hand and scored, and instead of an (obvious) offensive foul, the refs called Shade for a foul. That was the worst call of the game in my view.

 

[boontonbomber]

If you think I haven’t watched the P5 conferences you must not have read many posts here. Yes they have rough play too and it sometimes gets out of hand. If Angel Reese got injured and couldn’t continue in the tournament or the NCAAs, would you think the SEC should do something? Oh, wait, Angel was injured yesterday. Or if someone broke Caitlin’s nose in the Big10 tournament?

Yes,it sometimes gets out of hand. That's what happens on the athletic fields at times( except for pickle ball). What would you suggest that the powers-that-be do when that happens?

 

[pbchi]

she wasn’t ejected because it was not “a clear swing” at Edward’s. The player was going up for a rebound and Edward’s caught an elbow. It happens.

Watch again. She was not going up,. She swung arm and elbow sideways.

 

[Bone Dog]

Give her a break; she's in her first season.

I like Erin Baath. She’s managed to get more energy and buy-in from the lineup she largely inherited than the previous coach ever managed. I expect Providence to become a solid BE contender in the next few years.

 

[Bone Dog]

Yes,it sometimes gets out of hand. That's what happens on the athletic fields at times( except for pickle ball). What would you suggest that the powers-that-be do when that happens?

Only what I mentioned in the first post. The players aren’t who I’d blame. It was the officiating. They allowed too much contact in the first quarter and didn’t try to rein it in until it was too late. It can be a tricky balance for refs to strike. I think they just got it way wrong today. It starts with not calling interior contact and moving screens closely enough — against both teams — and then you get increasingly aggressive hand contact and hip checks on cuts and rebounding. And typically the underdogs will take their cue from this. The league — and maybe the NCAA as a whole — might want to revisit guidance for officials. It seems like this is overdue.

 

[Centerstream]

I thought we were replaying a game against the University of Central Florida's WBB. Brutal stuff!

I think someone else mentioned this earlier in this thread

 

[Blueballer]

Contract with Mohegan Sun. It would be more difficult to sell five day packages.

The PAC 12 Tourney is also at a Casino ( in Vegas). I don't see the difference. Wouldn't Mohegan rather have people at the casino the extra day?

 

[boontonbomber]

The referees had plenty of warning well before the injuries (even the FS1 announcers noticed the physicality was getting out of hand when Edwards got knocked down the first time). The inside play looked like a rugby scrum.

There was also one play where Providence got a steal and someone was breaking in for a layup and only Shade was back. She blatantly pushed off with her lead hand and scored, and instead of an (obvious) offensive foul, the refs called Shade for a foul. That was the worst call of the game in my view.

Nah, the fore-arm-shiver by Paige that put Efosa on her back was worse. And Efosa,of course,was assessed the foul.

 

[Bone Dog]

Nah, the fore-arm-shiver by Paige that put Efosa on her back was worse. And Efosa,of course,was assessed the foul.

Yup. The refs got that call wrong too.

 

[OviedoFLHusky]

I tried to look up who I could contact in the Big East to voice my displeasure and ofc be civil about it but wasn’t sure who to contact. Just want an explanation why winding up and slashing a player above the head is not an automatic ejection once you rule it was "intentional."

Here is a link I found to the entire staff of the Big East conference (including the Commissioner), with names and email addresses:

Staff Directory - Big East Conference

The name of the Supervisor of Officials for Women's Basketball is Debbie Williamson; however, what a coincidence that her email is NOT listed.

I agree with all posters that said something needs to be done -- there needs to be consequences -- and that these fouls need to be called equally on both teams playing. Otherwise, what we saw today will continue. Players like Aaliyah and KK will continue to needlessly get hurt -- and it will become scary for players like Caroline to play. I'm not saying that "playing aggressively" isn't a good thing. It's got to be aggressive but clean. There's a big difference.

PS -- I'd advise anyone emailing any Big East official to be polite and cite facts, and not be rude or combative.

 

[RedStickHusky]

Same girl put three huskies down.

Reminded me of watching Bill Cartwright play.

 

[mudblood]

We will certainly find out some more about Samuels, and particularly Inȇs, if that happens.

Nope. If both Liya and KK are out, we forfeit the game because we don’t have the minimum of 7 available players.

 

[hoophuskee]

Watch again. She was not going up,. She swung arm and elbow sideways.

For the record, the PC Center had position to to get the rebound which was flailing toward her side of the basket which meant Edwards was behind her. Thus the arm from the PC Center swung backwards.


1-- She knew where Edwards was.
2-- Her arm swung backwards.
3-- With her arms stretched out swinging one backwards-- how is it that a college educated kid can't understand when you swing your arm backwards that it has no shot to connect above the should / into the face? That defies logic. She has played against Edwards a lot.
4-- Her intent was to stop Edwards form getting the ball. Which is fine. Wel, sometimes intent results in fouls. Other times it results in intentional fouls. And other times it results in ejections. A player is not looking to hurt another player. I'm sure every single one of them down to their core is an amazing amazing person. But sometimes you get too rough / too much flailing etc.

It happens. In this case, it should have been an ejection. That would be it. See ya next time. And for the record, imo Edwards isn’t getting flattened by a sideways hit. She can only get flattened when the swing/flailing goes beyond sideways. Which this did.

 

[Centerstream]

Marquette seems pretty happy to be playing us tomorrow.
Oh and the Nova/Marquette game wasn't a physical game IMO.

 

[David54]

Here’s some stats that really impressed me
Paige. 9 rebounds 3 steals 3 blocks 0 fouls.

 

[boontonbomber]

I can remember when basketball was not a contact sport. Half of the non calls would have been a foul when I played in the mid 60's to early

Was that back when they inflated the ball before the game started?

 

[Centerstream]

Nope. If both Liya and KK are out, we forfeit the game because we don’t have the minimum of 7 available players.

Was it announced before/during the game that Amari was officially out for the game?