UConn projected to win less games than Central

[HuskiesAllDay]

Im arguing that we have a young coach and a young team that deserve our support and that things arent as bad as haters like you and Niels make them. Im arguing that coaches that you use as a measuring stick against Ollie are given time to build their programs.

Its really not that hard to understand for people who arent obtuse disingenuous hedgers.

WEAK.

So you don't really have an argument, other than "lets wait and see". Which is fine, but you don't make any other valid points so I don't get why you keep calling everyone else out.

"Haters like you". Recognizing the obvious isn't hating. It's being realistic.

Can we still have a good season? Sure, I think its definitely possible. But do I expect it to happen? Not really at this point given whats happened the past few years. Can you really point to any reason to expect any differently?

Comparing KO to JC is unfair. I agree. But his resume the last 4 years cant even stack up against Ed Cooley so I don't know what you are trying to say.

Again, KO didn't have to build UConn, so its much worse to compare him to coaches who had to build their programs. Your argument is that he needs time because they did. Well they were building something up not inheriting a national power (and running it into the ground).

 

[WlfdHusky]

If I say yes, and you say no neither of us would be right. Dont you get that? We dont know yet.

Kinda like Schrodinger's cat.

 

[tentoes4rings]

W Colgate Gampel Pavilion 11/10 7 p.m. SNY
W Stony Brook XL Center 11/14 7 p.m. SNY
W Boston University XL Center 11/19 6 p.m. SNY
W Oregon Portland, OR 11/23 9 p.m. ESPN U
L Michigan State/DePaul Portland, OR 11/24 9:30 p.m./12 a.m. TBD
L PK80 Day 3 Portland, OR 11/25 TBD TBD
W Columbia Gampel Pavilion 11/29 7 p.m. SNY
W Monmouth XL Center 12/2 4 p.m. SNY

W Syracuse New York, NY 12/5 9 p.m. ESPN
W Coppin State Gampel Pavilion 12/9 TBA ESPN 2/ESPN U
L Arizona Tuscon, AZ 12/21 TBA TBD
W Auburn Auburn, AL 12/23 2:30 p.m. ESPN 2
L Wichita State XL Center 12/30 12 p.m. CBS
W Tulsa Tulsa, OK 1/3 7 p.m. ESPNews
W East Carolina XL Center 1/6 12 p.m. ESPNews
W UCF Gampel Pavilion 1/10 7 p.m. CBS Sports
W Tulane New Orleans, LA 1/13 1 p.m. ESPNews
W/L Memphis Memphis, TN 1/16 9 p.m. CBS Sports
L Villanova XL Center 1/20 12 p.m. CBS
W SMU Gampel Pavilion 1/25 7 p.m. CBS Sports
L Temple Philadelphia, PA 1/28 8 p.m. ESPN 2
L UCF Orlando, FL 1/31 9 p.m. CBS Sports
W Cincinnati Gampel Pavilion 2/3 12 p.m. ESPN/ESPN 2
W USF Gampel Pavilion 2/7 7 p.m. ESPN U
L Wichita State Wichita, KS 2/10 TBA TBA
W Tulsa XL Center 2/15 7 p.m. ESPN U
W East Carolina Greenville, NC 2/18 3 p.m. ESPNews
L Cincinnati Highland Heights, KY 2/22 7 p.m. ESPN/ESPN 2
W Memphis Gampel Pavilion 2/25 2 p.m./4 p.m. ESPN/ESPN U
W Temple Gampel Pavilion 2/28 7 p.m. CBS Sports
W Houston Houston, TX 3/4 4 p.m. CBS Sports

I'm counting between 22-23 wins. That Memphis road game is a toss-up. My pre-season projection was 23-24. I think our upside is two more wins. Downside about 3 more losses.

God bless you and your optimism. I’d be surprised if we win 19, much less 23.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

If I say yes, and you say no neither of us would be right. Dont you get that? We dont know yet.

You are ripping on people who are reacting to actual results that are happening.

BUT at the same time your entire position is based on something you admit to not knowing (and have no evidence to support other than hope/faith).

So in other words, ignore what is happening now in reality, but act as if an unknown future outcome will/might be positive?

That is your argument?

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

View attachment 26708 This team won’t win 16

Carwash

 

[NielsisGood]

Im arguing that we have a young coach and a young team that deserve our support and that things arent as bad as haters like you and Niels make them. Im arguing that coaches that you use as a measuring stick against Ollie are given time to build their programs.

Its really not that hard to understand for people who arent obtuse disingenuous hedgers.

Im arguing that at minumum Ollie deserves the full season before calling for his head. I wouldnt and wont call anybody out for it at the end of the year if it is as bad as you think it will be.

So basically you're arguing that people shouldn't be so mean to Ollie 'cuz he's a nice guy?! Lmao.




* The team being perpetually young is Ollie's fault. It's his job to build the program and bring the players in.


* The coaches being mentioned as measuring sticks for Ollie actually did have to build their programs. Ollie inherited a program, and the cupboard wasn't exactly bare.


* Kevin Ollie's age isn't really relevant here and did not bear mentioning.


* Nobody has, as of yet, been arguing for Ollie to be fired today. The "haters" just put their pompoms down and took their skirts off and are being realistic.


* You clearly have no idea what hedging is.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

This team won’t win 16

Odd. I have us as winning 25 straight and going 29-2 heading into the AAC tourney. The 2 losses and close victories were tactical to get teams to lower their guard against us. Brilliant coaching. I just wish all of you could see that.

 

[KingAG]

We play a substantially tougher schedule. This is nothing short of meaningless

 

[Balker]

I'm counting between 22-23 wins. That Memphis road game is a toss-up. My pre-season projection was 23-24. I think our upside is two more wins. Downside about 3 more losses.

I'm probably on the lower side of this range 20-21 wins. But I think 23 or 24 is peak. It all hinges on the team putting the pieces together over the coming month and scoring some meaningful OOC wins, but I think they will personally.

 

[willie99]

this board is getting dumber by the day

 

[August_West]

So basically you're arguing that people shouldn't be so mean to Ollie 'cuz he's a nice guy?! Lmao.




* The team being perpetually young is Ollie's fault. It's his job to build the program and bring the players in.


* The coaches being mentioned as measuring sticks for Ollie actually did have to build their programs. Ollie inherited a program, and the cupboard wasn't exactly bare.


* Kevin Ollie's age isn't really relevant here and did not bear mentioning.


* Nobody has, as of yet, been arguing for Ollie to be fired today. The "haters" just put their pompoms down and took their skirts off and are being realistic.


* You clearly have no idea what hedging is.

Nice guy?

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[August_West]

You are ripping on people who are reacting to actual results that are happening.

BUT at the same time your entire position is based on something you admit to not knowing (and have no evidence to support other than hope/faith).

So in other words, ignore what is happening now in reality, but act as if an unknown future outcome will/might be positive?

That is your argument?

So what? you rip on people, I rip on people,get over it.

 

[August_West]

WEAK.

So you don't really have an argument, other than "lets wait and see". Which is fine, but you don't make any other valid points so I don't get why you keep calling everyone else out.

"Haters like you". Recognizing the obvious isn't hating. It's being realistic.

Can we still have a good season? Sure, I think its definitely possible. But do I expect it to happen? Not really at this point given whats happened the past few years. Can you really point to any reason to expect any differently?

Comparing KO to JC is unfair. I agree. But his resume the last 4 years cant even stack up against Ed Cooley so I don't know what you are trying to say.

Again, KO didn't have to build UConn, so its much worse to compare him to coaches who had to build their programs. Your argument is that he needs time because they did. Well they were building something up not inheriting a national power (and running it into the ground).

Resume last 4 seasons doesn’t stack up to Cooley?

I thought you liked winning championships?

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

Resume last 4 seasons doesn’t stack up to Cooley?

I thought you liked winning championships?

3 seasons + 8 games* figured that would be your only takeaway there.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

So what? you rip on people, I rip on people,get over it.

I use actual arguments to do so and its based on what is happening in real life. I'm calling you out for not having one (while you call people out for not having one).

Glad you at least admitted it.

 

[NielsisGood]

Nice guy?

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So what? you rip on people, I rip on people,get over it.

Resume last 4 seasons doesn’t stack up to Cooley?

I thought you liked winning championships?

He doesn't know how to answer questions asked of him, he just tries to be the one asking the questions, all the time.

It wouldn't matter if I single handedly answered all these questions for you. For every question answered, you'd just ask 2 more. Questions that would only be tangentially related at best.


Add to that the fact that you obviously do not have the capacity to answer, explain, or be held accountable for your comments and statements in any way, the 30,000 posts, multiple online forum gimmicks/personas, etc, and how does everyone not realize that engaging in conversation with you is, quite frankly, a colossal waste of time?

 

[August_West]

It wouldn't matter if I single handedly answered all these questions for you. For every question answered, you'd just ask 2 more. Questions that would only be tangentially related at best.


Add to that the fact that you obviously do not have the capacity to answer, explain, or be held accountable for your comments and statements in any way, the 30,000 posts, multiple online forum gimmicks/personas, etc, and how does everyone not realize that engaging in conversation with you is, quite frankly, a colossal waste of time?

Actually I’m driving to NYC right now and refuse to type a book to refute a dope.

 

[NielsisGood]

Actually I’m driving to NYC right now and refuse to type a book to refute a dope.

However you want to rationalize this, champ. Sure did reply lightning quick for someone driving though.

 

[methodology]

You are ripping on people who are reacting to actual results that are happening.

BUT at the same time your entire position is based on something you admit to not knowing (and have no evidence to support other than hope/faith).

So in other words, ignore what is happening now in reality, but act as if an unknown future outcome will/might be positive?

That is your argument?

If we have a rain tomorrow does that mean everyday the rest of the year will be rain?

I mean it rained today and if it rains tomorrow the evidence right now points to it raining everyday. Or are there other factors and unknowns that can/ will happen that will change/affect the outcome.

The team is young and still leaning/ growing into their roles. The defense has never been this bad under Ollie and it will almost definitely get better. The shooting numbers should also trend upwards. The team has no bad losses (Arkansas is not a bad loss in the committees eyes its a L) and they have beaten the teams they were supposed to beat. End of the day a win is a win and a loss is a loss.

Until the sample size of games gets larger and against better competition come January there will be a better assessment and barometer of what to expect out of this UConn team.

I believe they can get to the tourney and win 20 games this year if they grow as I expect. I also believe regardless of results (to a certain extent) Ollie will not be fired this year and will have next year also to prove what he can do with this UConn team and program. You don't bring in Chillious, just to fire Ollie after thus year and lose a potent recruiter with the connections Chill has, just to have him leave after 1 year also and fall further behind the 8 ball because they will lose everyone worthwhile on the team and their current committed players along with burning bridges of future recruits who they have a shot at. I firmly believe in 3 years, if Ollie is given that time frame, that UConn will be back to a top 25 team and relevant nationally again

 

[auror]

W Auburn Auburn, AL 12/23 2:30 p.m. ESPN 2
W SMU Gampel Pavilion 1/25 7 p.m. CBS Sports
W Cincinnati Gampel Pavilion 2/3 12 p.m. ESPN/ESPN 2
W Houston Houston, TX 3/4 4 p.m. CBS Sports

I'm counting between 22-23 wins. That Memphis road game is a toss-up. My pre-season projection was 23-24. I think our upside is two more wins. Downside about 3 more losses.

I think we'll win win or two of these, but I think we'll be hard-pressed to win all 4. We'll probably lose 2 or 3 others that you have as wins and 1 or 2 you have as losses we'll win, putting us in the 18-21 win range and squarely on tournament bubble.

 

[sammydabiz]

I've realized that part of my angst, is I continually have unrealistic expectations for this team.

Predicting anything over 20 wins this season and you will find yourself in the same boat as myself.
My new hope is to not have a losing season like last year.

My god, how far has this program fallen? Sad really

 

[PAHusky]

Im arguing that we have a young coach and a young team that deserve our support and that things arent as bad as haters like you and Niels make them. Im arguing that coaches that you use as a measuring stick against Ollie are given time to build their programs.

Its really not that hard to understand for people who arent obtuse disingenuous hedgers.

Im arguing that at minumum Ollie deserves the full season before calling for his head. I wouldnt and wont call anybody out for it at the end of the year if it is as bad as you think it will be.

Millenial here, putting down my avocado toast long enough to reply sans "obtuse disingenuous hedgers". The young coach moniker is tired. KO has had four or so seasons now, it's his team and he's in full control. Part of our youth is KO's recruiting deficiencies and the transfers, which may or may not be at least partially his fault. The other coaches are given time to build their programs because, spoiler alert, they didn't all inherit a fully built program like KO did. Calhoun's last year was a total mess, but the framework was there for KO to step in. He did so incredibly well the first season, and then obviously won the natty. Since then? It's been his recruits, his offensive gameplan, his staff, his roster turnover.

I've only seen one or two posters actually calling for KO to be fired midseason. It's a ludicrous thought. But that doesn't mean that KO should be immune from criticism on a message board after every increasingly sub-par performance. Not sure why you the KO pollyannas keep trying to carve out a safe space for him on the boneyard.

For ripping on the millenials a lot for it some of your are special snowflakes when it comes to KO criticism.

 

[Stainmaster]

I've only seen one or two posters actually calling for KO to be fired midseason.

You quite clearly have not been reading this site enough.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

If we have a rain tomorrow does that mean everyday the rest of the year will be rain?

I mean it rained today and if it rains tomorrow the evidence right now points to it raining everyday. Or are there other factors and unknowns that can/ will happen that will change/affect the outcome.

The team is young and still leaning/ growing into their roles. The defense has never been this bad under Ollie and it will almost definitely get better. The shooting numbers should also trend upwards. The team has no bad losses (Arkansas is not a bad loss in the committees eyes its a L) and they have beaten the teams they were supposed to beat. End of the day a win is a win and a loss is a loss.

Until the sample size of games gets larger and against better competition come January there will be a better assessment and barometer of what to expect out of this UConn team.

I believe they can get to the tourney and win 20 games this year if they grow as I expect. I also believe regardless of results (to a certain extent) Ollie will not be fired this year and will have next year also to prove what he can do with this UConn team and program. You don't bring in Chillious, just to fire Ollie after thus year and lose a potent recruiter with the connections Chill has, just to have him leave after 1 year also and fall further behind the 8 ball because they will lose everyone worthwhile on the team and their current committed players along with burning bridges of future recruits who they have a shot at. I firmly believe in 3 years, if Ollie is given that time frame, that UConn will be back to a top 25 team and relevant nationally again

Are really trying to compare college basketball performance with the weather?

if it rains for 3 weeks in a row, I think its a lot more logical to assume it will rain tomorrow than to assume it will be sunny and the leaves will change just because I want them to.

Nobody can predict the future. We have to use whatever data we have at the time to try to infer what we think will happen.

The sample size is a lot bigger than a few games; more like 100+. But I agree with everything you said in the last paragraph.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

Actually I’m driving to NYC right now and refuse to type a book to refute a dope.

Hard to write a book when you have nothing to say.

"We might be good by the end of the year" "But I really have no clue and nothing to base this on".

-The End

Great book August.

 

[NielsisGood]

You quite clearly have not been reading this site enough.

There really only have been a few, and every time I've seen the statement it's been immediately during/after one of the last few games.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

I've realized that part of my angst, is I continually have unrealistic expectations for this team.

Predicting anything over 20 wins this season and you will find yourself in the same boat as myself.
My new hope is to not have a losing season like last year.

My god, how far has this program fallen? Sad really

This is literally my entire argument. And it is sad. Whats even more sad is we are barely meeting the exceedingly low expectations; ie beating Columbia.

That is what expectations have gotten to for our program. We used to expect a tourney run every year, maybe an elite 8 or final 4. Now we would all be happy just to finish 3rd in the American and lose in the 1st round of the dance.

Think about that for a second. I think it is extremely relevant to the evaluation of our current HC a.

 

[August_West]

Hard to write a book when you have nothing to say.

"we might be good by the end of the year" "But I really have no clue and no reason at all to think this based on current and previous results".

-The End

Great work August. NYT bestseller for sure.

I’ve written about what I like about this team and where I think it’s improved and where I think we are short on here already. I don’t have patience or inclination typing it out again for the clueless. You going to the game tonight? I’ll re explain it over a beer.

 

[NielsisGood]

I’ve written about what I like about this team and where I think it’s improved and where I think we are short on here already. I don’t have patience or inclination typing it out again for the clueless. You going to the game tonight? I’ll re explain it over a beer.

Incrementally better than last year, gotta give the young coach and his young team more time, Ollie will turn it around (even though we don't need any turning around).



Inspiring stuff really.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I think we'll win win or two of these, but I think we'll be hard-pressed to win all 4. We'll probably lose 2 or 3 others that you have as wins and 1 or 2 you have as losses we'll win, putting us in the 18-21 win range and squarely on tournament bubble.

Maybe. But my prediction has us only winning two against the top three league teams. WSU, UC, SMU. I don't think that's overly optimistic. I picked home wins, but it could be otherwise.