UConn President Says No Plans To Lobby Big 12

[superjohn]

Were talking about freaking Houston here. I can't understate that enough. A team that we didn't want three years ago after our league collapsed.

Cincinnati, sure a fine hoop and footage combo, but what you see is what you get with them.

BYU has a national football program but they are damn near just as far away as us. How come that's never touted as an issue for them?

We have so much to offer and yet we never hear anything from UConn spun in a positive light. We are consistently killed and the only person who does anything about it is Dooley for christ sake.

I'm just sick of this. How this is even a converation is a joke,

It's infuriating, we are competing against crummy commuter schools and I still fear the same kick coming. Our leadership better be getting it done behind closed doors or there should be hell to pay. We hold a straight flush compared to a bunch of 3's, 4's and 7's and yet we are still in this position.

 

[UChusky916]

The Courant is going to put that headline on the article because that's what gets hits. It's clear many saw the headline and didn't read what exactly what Susan said. It's a subtle advertisement for our university.

Just because Susan doesn't outright gravel for an invite publicly doesn't mean we're not trying. This is par for the course... UConn has said they won't publicly beg for an invite. Susan boasting our athletic superiority with the quotes others have highlighted is as close as we're going to get to hearing the university publicly advertise.

Just because some no name for the Courant branded the article with that headline doesn't suddenly change our CR vision or fortunes.

 

[NEforceUConn]

Honestly, most of you should not read the newspapers.

It's too much for you.

But keep reading this message board.


oh wait your taking the Suzy approach. scratch that,

 

[MattMang23]

Yes it is Suzy's fault we are in CT.

Switch locations with Cincy, UH, BYU and any other state that is contention and we are in without a visit. There's contrarian and then there is attention seeking.

Clearly it's not her fault that we are located in the Northeast and it's a Midwestern league looking to expand. But the ACC has a few teams in the Northeast and didn't choose us. The Big Ten has a school two hours away and isn't coming for us either. Our geography is hindering us now because we are outside the league's footprint. And apparently it was hindering us at least twice previously because we were inside the league's footprint. Personally I'm just getting annoyed that no matter what the criteria appears to be, we keep falling on the wrong side of it.

2011: ACC wants the Northeast and academics. We fit the mold. BC doesn't like us and rounds up others to block us.

2012: Big Ten wants cable boxes. We have some. Rutgers has more. I can live with this.

2012: Academics, which had been very important the last time no longer matter. Geography, still a concern, is less a concern. The ACC wants football. Though we are coming off a BCS appearance only twenty-two months earlier, Louisville is coming off one only ten months earlier. Our program sucks. Theirs is wonderful.

2016: Big 12 "wants eastern teams." Big 12 "wants academics." Big 12 "wants TV content that people in major metro areas will watch." We fit every category. Outcome? TBD.

Overall I have been very pro-Suzie and I still am. But at some point she needs to correctly identify what the other leagues want and make sure they know we deliver it.

And I'm not making this point directly at you. I am just ranting.

 

[sportsart]

Were talking about freaking Houston here. I can't understate that enough. A team that we didn't want three years ago after our league collapsed.

Cincinnati, sure a fine hoop and footage combo, but what you see is what you get with them.

BYU has a national football program but they are damn near just as far away as us. How come that's never touted as an issue for them?

We have so much to offer and yet we never hear anything from UConn spun in a positive light. We are consistently killed and the only person who does anything about it is Dooley for christ sake.

I'm just sick of this. How this is even a converation is a joke,

Again, it's location.

 

[whaler11]

Yes it is Suzy's fault we are in CT.

Switch locations with Cincy, UH, BYU and any other state that is contention and we are in without a visit. There's contrarian and then there is attention seeking.

Are you saying that this might require a sales job? One where you actually try to change the public perception?

That's an interesting thought. Maybe they could support Dooley.

 

[whaler11]

Again, it's location.

So UConn is out? UConn to the Big 12 is dead? And it's based on location?

 

[Jimdish255]

UConn athletics will not be finished. They will still be playing D1 athletics. It might not be a power league but it will still be D1. People just need to relax and continue supporting UConn athletics. Let's be real, we probably have a better chance of qualifying for a bowl game in the AAC than we would in any P5 league. And you're kidding yourself if you think UConn would ever make the 4 team playoff in football.

You're the first person I've heard suggest making the 4 team playoff has anything to do with this. What an extended stay in a fractured watered-down AAC means is us gradually fading from view in most if not all sports. Do you not get that this consolidation is meant to gradually draw a sharp line between the haves and the have nots or is it easier to pretend it's not happening?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Again, it's location.

Location is just an excuse.

The Big East and Big Ten both have teams in Nebraska playing teams in New Jersey.

ACC has teams in Florida playing teams in Boston and Central NY and Pittsburgh.

If it was West Virginia, Louisville, Pitt, or any other established potential altetnative, I buy it to take the marginally closer program.

BYU, just as far and comes with a ton of baggage and some archaic principles.

We have so much to offer that for the handful of sports that actually play road games the effect should be immaterial.

 

[WestHartHusk]

The Courant is going to put that headline on the article because that's what gets hits. It's clear many saw the headline and didn't read what exactly what Susan said. It's a subtle advertisement for our university.

Just because Susan doesn't outright gravel for an invite publicly doesn't mean we're not trying. This is par for the course... UConn has said they won't publicly beg for an invite. Susan boasting our athletic superiority with the quotes others have highlighted is as close as we're going to get to hearing the university publicly advertise.

Just because some no name for the Courant branded the article with that headline doesn't suddenly change our CR vision or fortunes.

We are WAYYYY past the time for being subtle.

 

[auggie22]

What she isn't getting - is that she is talking to us too. So while selling yourself to the Big 12 may not matter - the perception that you are trying matters to the fans.

These fans also see that the approach hasn't changed and you are the outside looking in. If the approach doesn't work this time she and the university are going to get skewered - and they will deserve it.

The having fun comment is completely tone deaf.

At some point she must realize that she is accountable for where we are athletically, right? I mean, jebus, she seems to be saying "it is what it is" here. Your front porch is about to collapse, Suzie - that is a big deal!

 

[CTBballfan243]

You're the first person I've heard suggest making the 4 team playoff has anything to do with this. What an extended stay in a fractured watered-down AAC means is us gradually fading from view in most if not all sports. Do you not get that this consolidation is meant to gradually draw a sharp line between the haves and the have nots or is it easier to pretend it's not happening?

We are not a good fit for the B12. It has nothing to do with what President Herbst is doing or not doing. Conference realignment is not over. We need to keep improving our football so when 2024 rolls around will be more appealing than Temple, or the Florida directionals. All hope is not lost.

 

[MattMang23]

We are not a good fit for the B12. It has nothing to do with what President Herbst is doing or not doing. Conference realignment is not over. We need to keep improving our football so when 2024 rolls around will be more appealing than Temple, or the Florida directionals. All hope is not lost.

Oh God.

 

[Jimdish255]

I'm going to say there's almost no plausible scenario where a few words in an interview is an accurate reflection of the effort being put forth by our administration. On the other hand I might have been happy to hear comments like "We're ready for the Big12 if they're ready for us" or even some coaches stoking the fires for a M-Hoops rivalry with Kansas or W-Hoops with Baylor or the FB Team with anyone! Challenge them to back down after you've picked a fight. It may not work but it's a proactive step forward that says you're ready to generate rivalries and media attention. Acting like you're the biggest egghead doesn't often translate well in the sports arena. It doesn't have to come from Dr. Herbst but should have been leaking out from UConn sources and our supposedly UConn media but we sit back waiting for the axe to drop because we might offend someone. And yes I'm a "liberal" with an attitude about this.

 

[BUConn10]

A select few have been worried about this all along and have just repeatedly told to shut up.

These cliche, copy pasted "We are UConn we win championships" responses to CR questions tells me they probably don't fully understand the gravity of the situation at hand. Herbst sounds like my mom after I explain to her the dynamics of CR, "oh well it's just sports" is what she'd respond.

 

[JMick]

A select few have been worried about this all along and have just repeatedly told to shut up.

These cliche, copy pasted "We are UConn we win championships" responses to CR questions tells me they probably don't fully understand the gravity of the situation at hand. Herbst sounds like me after explaining CR to my mother, "oh well it's just sports".

I've always thought she had trouble relating to her audience and while I don't think this was the worst interview ever, it didn't exactly knock your socks off like it may have needed to

 

[BUConn10]

Replace ACC with Big 12, wash, rinse and repeat.

This is maddening. I don't watch UConn sports to see coeds engage in an extracurricular activity. I watch UConn because they are my team, my university and I want to see them compete on the national stage in games that actually matter.

Perception does matter; no matter what anyone says. Instead of the bs we win, we have fun, we like to win, how about actually shaping the public perception as opposed to taking a beating.

From the National media you would be led to believe Houston is a perennial top 10 team, that sells out a brand new stadium and is ready to expand the joint, or that Cincinnati brings a storied football and basketball history and is slughtly behind Ohio State in Ohio.

It's not groveling or begging to just state the facts. We own the 30th biggest media market (23rd if you add fairfield county) as the state U. We are neck and neck with Duke, UK, UNC as the preeminent hoop program of the last 30 years. We have begun to rebuild our football program which won a league with five supposed "P5" programs and the storied Cincinnati program twice in our infancy.

Not to mention we spend the most, we make the most and we our by far the best academic school.

Why can't someone from the university sternly acknowledge that.

Not to drive the Warde donuts narrative (as I'm overall pro WM) but during the ACC expansion when they interviewed him and all he could come up with is " I think we're the best candidate but I'm biased" it drove me insane.

Perception is everything and ours in a few short years is shot with this G5 distinction. Someone needs to step up and get this done.

Yes exactly. Too many old timers on here who haven't learned how the world works in the internet age.

These days you don't sell the steak.anymore, you sell the sizzle. Marketing is everything. Apple sells more iPhones than all its competitors combined and it's the most expensive, is it because it's the best product? No because it's marketed better than the rest. Terrible movies consistently sit at the top of American box offices because they are expertly marketed. We have the marketing team of an indie art flick completely unaware of their audience.

 

[whaler11]

At some point she must realize that she is accountable for where we are athletically, right? I mean, jebus, she seems to be saying "it is what it is" here. Your front porch is about to collapse, Suzie - that is a big deal!

They talk like this so they don't own it. The AD said if it's meant to be it's meant to be.

That's some solid leadership - nothing we can do in half a million dollar public jobs - if it's meant to be it's meant to be.

But you are a baffoon if you look for leadership - which I guess makes sense because it's not coming from this administration.

 

[auggie22]

Based upon Susie's comments, a random encounter with an Olympic sport coach I had recently and this thread, I am now of the opinion that we are funked. I honestly think we on the message board get it more than high paid administrators at the university - or at least we on the message board are the only ones not spinning the fact that we are fukked.

I think these quotes are spoken by a woman that is positioning for her next gig. I hope I am wrong, but i am now officially despondent.

 

[MattMang23]

Based upon Susie's comments, a random encounter with an Olympic sport coach I had recently and this thread, I am now of the opinion that we are funked. I honestly think we on the message board get it more than high paid administrators at the university - or at least we on the message board are the only ones not spinning the fact that we are fukked.

I think these quotes are spoken by a woman that is positioning for her next gig. I hope I am wrong, but i am now officially despondent.

Without revealing your source, do you mind sharing what the Olympic sport coach said?

 

[Duncan Idaho]

"I know we are doing all we can to ensure the continued success of UConn athletics." That's all she needed to say.

 

[superjohn]

We are not a good fit for the B12. It has nothing to do with what President Herbst is doing or not doing. Conference realignment is not over. We need to keep improving our football so when 2024 rolls around will be more appealing than Temple, or the Florida directionals. All hope is not lost.

This is so duck*ing stupid it's not even worth responding to. It would be like saying I need this job because it's the only job I could possibly get now but 8 years from now the job might be available so I'll just wait.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I've said this multiple times, but it bothers me a lot in these situations that we don't have a UConn guy/girl in a position of public leadership in these spots, or at minimum someone with some long term skin in this game.

West Virginia had Luck, Rutgers had Pernetti, and Louisville had Jurich who while not an alum had been there 10+ years.

If Herbst wants a promotion - which I'm sure she will at some point - she isn't going to be graded on her prior schools conference affiliation. Same with the AD.

These people aren't Huskies, nor are they looking at this like the decision of a lifetime.

I think we're seeing a combination of indifference and incompetence with regards to our athletic leadership.

 

[superjohn]

I've said this multiple times, but it bothers me a lot in these situations that we don't have a UConn guy/girl in a position of public leadership in these spots, or at minimum someone with some long term skin in this game.

West Virginia had Luck, Rutgers had Pernetti, and Louisville had Jurich who while not an alum had been there 10+ years.

If Herbst wants a promotion - which I'm sure she will at some point - she isn't going to be graded on her prior schools conference affiliation. Same with the AD.

These people aren't Huskies, nor are they looking at this like the decision of a lifetime.

I think we're seeing a combination of indifference and incompetence with regards to our athletic leadership.

A promotion? If we are left in this position as more commuter schools are added to the P5 she should be looking for a new job.

 

[whaler11]

A promotion? If we are left in this position as more commuter schools are added to the P5 she should be looking for a new job.

Or as I've wondered all along - is she perfectly happy if sports are related to a second class status and you can sell that on your resume.

She showed up at UConn and said her favorite sport is lacrosse for the love of God. Not basketball, not football - a friggin sport the school
doesn't even sponsor for men.

 

[TRest]

Based upon Susie's comments, a random encounter with an Olympic sport coach I had recently and this thread, I am now of the opinion that we are funked. I honestly think we on the message board get it more than high paid administrators at the university - or at least we on the message board are the only ones not spinning the fact that we are fukked.

I think these quotes are spoken by a woman that is positioning for her next gig. I hope I am wrong, but i am now officially despondent.

I can't "like" this, but I agree. No one has told her that Duke takes football seriously now. Everything she is doing to raise fundraising and the academic profile is great, even if it falls short of AAU/B1G in the end. But we cannot sustain a national profile in athletics if we fail to make the P5 cut. I'll be fine, I grew up on the Yankee Conference and may look forward in my old age to easily drivable football games. But UConn Nation was weaned on national championships and the highest level of competition, and those fans will find something else to follow.

 

[auggie22]

Without revealing your source, do you mind sharing what the Olympic sport coach said?

No inside information. But my impression is we are still focusing on basic, mundane issues, suggesting that the administration is not playing chess as we hoped. nothing more to share.

 

[cttxus]

Yes exactly. Too many old timers on here who haven't learned how the world works in the internet age.

These days you don't sell the steak.anymore, you sell the sizzle. Marketing is everything. Apple sells more iPhones than all its competitors combined and it's the most expensive, is it because it's the best product? No because it's marketed better than the rest. Terrible movies consistently sit at the top of American box offices because they are expertly marketed. We have the marketing team of an indie art flick completely unaware of their audience.

Umm, the key to successful marketing is knowing and appealing to your target market better than your competitors. In this case it's largely B12 university presidents. Said presidents were born on average in 1945 which means they are 70+ years old on average. In marketing terms, I'm guessing they would prefer a well prepared steak over sizzle.

 

[superjohn]

Or as I've wondered all along - is she perfectly happy if sports are related to a second class status and you can sell that on your resume.

She showed up at UConn and said her favorite sport is lacrosse for the love of God. Not basketball, not football - a friggin sport the school
doesn't even sponsor for men.

Taking one of the best athletic schools and leaving it to die athletically wouldn't reflect too well on her resume.

 

[Slasher]

Clearly it's not her fault that we are located in the Northeast and it's a Midwestern league looking to expand. But the ACC has a few teams in the Northeast and didn't choose us. The Big Ten has a school two hours away and isn't coming for us either. Our geography is hindering us now because we are outside the league's footprint. And apparently it was hindering us at least twice previously because we were inside the league's footprint. Personally I'm just getting annoyed that no matter what the criteria appears to be, we keep falling on the wrong side of it...

The Big 12 is a midwestern league? Are any of the Big 12 schools in the "midwest?" I think UConn would be in much better shape if it were a midwest league expanding (B1G.)