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But Coach Geno has no reason to "change." He's won 11 national championships, and is the winningest coach over the past two decades. And during that entire period, he very rarely took in transfers. So for a guy who's just won his fourth straight national championship and is on the second-longest winning streak in WCBB history to accept three transfers on a single team is extraordinary.

It begs the question of what's changed? Is he acknowledging that recruiting has not been what he's wanted the past few years after his '02 catch? Or is it that he knows that some teams are hell holes, and that great kids have figured that out?

It will be very interesting to hear his answer to the "what's changed?" question when journalists are permitted to talk to him about it.
I don't believe anything has really changed for Auriemma. He is simply utilizing a recently expanding market to fill what he believes are gaps in his recruiting that he couldn't fill with HS kids. He doesn't pursue them but if the right type of kid at the right position becomes available and shows interest, he considers it and then let's them in. Just smart use of another tool.
 
I don't believe anything has really changed for Auriemma. He is simply utilizing a recently expanding market to fill what he believes are gaps in his recruiting that he couldn't fill with HS kids. He doesn't pursue them but if the right type of kid at the right position becomes available and shows interest, he considers it and then let's them in. Just smart use of another tool.
It's hard to imagine my agreeing more.
 
I don't believe anything has really changed for Auriemma. He is simply utilizing a recently expanding market to fill what he believes are gaps in his recruiting that he couldn't fill with HS kids. He doesn't pursue them but if the right type of kid at the right position becomes available and shows interest, he considers it and then let's them in. Just smart use of another tool.

Yep, agreed. With the pool of kids that fit UConn shrinking every year, he is using the newly expanding transfer market to add kids that do fit UConn, but initially chose to go elsewhere.
 
Wait, has Camara visited UConn's campus recently? I did not hear that she did.
 
This news really makes my day.
Next big thing will come from Walker? I hope ...
There may not be a scholarship for her if she waits too long. Camara makes it 13 for 2017.
 
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I think the transfer situation is pretty unique the last few years - you have three top ten type teams going through melt downs that are pretty unique for WCBB - first UNC lost 5 highly ranked recruits over the space of two years, and then KY has completely imploded this year. And Duke has been shedding high quality players on a yearly basis for the last three years.

That these programs seem to be driving the players away rather than individual players choosing to leave for more personal reasons I think makes the players 'more attractive', and it certainly raises fewer questions. And Butler's transfer was a similar type situation with a revolving door of coaches.

I agree with others who don't see this as a change in philosophy on the part of uconn, just a weird convergence of events at the top of the WCBB world.
 
Saniya & Tierney are seniors next year so when they graduate it frees up 2 scholarships!
 
I think the transfer situation is pretty unique the last few years - you have three top ten type teams going through melt downs that are pretty unique for WCBB - first UNC lost 5 highly ranked recruits over the space of two years, and then KY has completely imploded this year. And Duke has been shedding high quality players on a yearly basis for the last three years.

That these programs seem to be driving the players away rather than individual players choosing to leave for more personal reasons I think makes the players 'more attractive', and it certainly raises fewer questions. And Butler's transfer was a similar type situation with a revolving door of coaches.

I agree with others who don't see this as a change in philosophy on the part of uconn, just a weird convergence of events at the top of the WCBB world.
Yes. One wonders however if this is just a happy and fortunate strings of occurrences or if this is really the new normal.
 
Yes. One wonders however if this is just a happy and fortunate strings of occurrences or if this is really the new normal.
I say both. It feels a lot like the players can have their cake and eat it too knowing that if they have buyer's remorse all they have to do is pick up the phone to Storrs the minute their championship hopes are dashed or their personal career development isn't going the way they want at the school they initially chose over UConn.
 
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Yes. One wonders however if this is just a happy and fortunate strings of occurrences or if this is really the new normal.
I for one, think it is just a freak occurrence. Within well run programs I just don't think you are likely to see this kind of thing happen and top 30 programs tend to be well run. They have the money and resources to attract good coaches and good athletes. UNC is unique to an academic scandal (aided by a 'manufactured' recruiting class dynamic that didn't work), and KY and Duke have been particularly unstable coaching staffs that sent up red flags. Looking around at other programs in that top 30 range, the only one that stands out to me with a revolving door of assistants is Maryland, but none of them have had more than the kind of attrition rate of Uconn - a few front line players over the past decade and a few more bench players looking for perhaps different competitive environments or better fits.

Perhaps there is an increase in players willing to cut and run, and there seems to be more coaching investigations and coaching changes as schools are looking for better performance, but even in those cases, the rosters appear to be more stable - it doesn't appear that Vanderbilt is losing any current players or signed recruits for example, and Nebraska has lost only one current player.

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I do think we are seeing after 20 years a changing dynamic for HS players that may have reached critical mass - the WNBA is a reality that all these kids have grown up with, and the college game has reached a competitive spread that is real - pressure on kids to make the right choice 'for their career' is a new phenomenon, at the same time that viable college choices have exploded and recruiting intensity has exploded. I am not sure the advisory resources for girls and their parents has kept up - it was sort of a cottage industry, and suddenly they are in a national/international market.
 
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I think the transfer situation is pretty unique the last few years
That these programs seem to be driving the players away rather than individual players choosing to leave for more personal reasons I think makes the players 'more attractive', and it certainly raises fewer questions. And Butler's transfer was a similar type situation with a revolving door of coaches.
Great point. Only time will tell, of course. And yet, Geno has already suggested that there is a qualitative difference in today's players--their "me first" attitude and refusal to take "tough love"-- that we could see naturally leading to a greater tendency to transfer.

And maybe we're looking at only one end of the phenomenon. Maybe there is also an increase in team melt-downs because of increased pressure on the coaches to win. Maybe as WCBB coaching salaries improve, there is more urgency to grab the best jobs quickly, without spending the years developing certain people and coaching skills; and, after getting that type of job, coaches hold on to them by pushing their players to win in ways that aren't appropriate.

So, maybe players are getting "softer" and maybe coaches are getting stressed to be "harder." Maybe. Hard to turn these types of judgments into facts.
 
Just a little Post Script...

Geno, in these transfers (assuming the reports on Batouly are correct) is addressing the only weakness in recruiting the past 4 years. He missed out on Reimer, McCall, Mavunga, Wilson, Turner, Westbeld, Cox, Holmes and McCoy. I'm not saying he went hard after all of them, but either UCONN chose to go in a different direction, or they eliminated UCONN on their own.

So what he's done is landed 6'5" transfer Butler, 6'6" transfer Stevens, and now possibly 6'2" transfer Camara. In general of course I think we'd all prefer he landed a kid the first time around and could expect to have her for 4 years, but lately, it's been a lot of being the 2nd choice, or not a finalist for most of these post players.

Think about the roster the year Camara and Stevens would be available to play:

Post - Butler (SR), Stevens (JR), Camara (SO), Irwin (SO)
Wing types - Williams (SR - and yeah, maybe she's a post too), Samuelson (JR), Collier (JR), Gordon (FR)
Guards - Ekmark (SR), Nurse (SR), Dangerfield (SO), Bent (SO), Espinosa (FR)

That's not only an incredibly talented team, but also a very versatile one. SO many options to mix and match. NO idea who the 5 starters would be - but certainly a team totally loaded in every area and probably one of, if not THE, favorite to win the NC that year...

13 kids on the roster. So does he bring in a Walker? a Jade Williams? That would total fifteen players on the roster. The following year there would be eleven on the roster. So would there be room for three or four recruits from the 2018 class? It would be quite unusual for an Auriemma UConn team to have a roster with so many players. He has stated in the past that it's impossible to keep a large number of HS AA's happy without major playing time for each. So what is coach's strategy? What is his thinking on this? We can say that times are changing, but this coach has never needed to change his approach to the game. If he is approaching recruiting differently in this new day and age, it will be fascinating to understand his new strategy.
 
13 kids on the roster. So does he bring in a Walker? a Jade Williams? That would total fifteen players on the roster. The following year there would be eleven on the roster. So would there be room for three or four recruits from the 2018 class? It would be quite unusual for an Auriemma UConn team to have a roster with so many players.

UConn apparently isn't recruiting Jade Williams anymore. I'm gonna guess they would take Walker, maybe Mikayla Coombs, but certainly Walker. It's going to be a logjam regardless. And I wouldn't look for 4 players in 2018. Three max.
 
13 kids on the roster. So does he bring in a Walker? a Jade Williams? That would total fifteen players on the roster. The following year there would be eleven on the roster. So would there be room for three or four recruits from the 2018 class? It would be quite unusual for an Auriemma UConn team to have a roster with so many players. He has stated in the past that it's impossible to keep a large number of HS AA's happy without major playing time for each. So what is coach's strategy? What is his thinking on this? We can say that times are changing, but this coach has never needed to change his approach to the game. If he is approaching recruiting differently in this new day and age, it will be fascinating to understand his new strategy.
The reality is that Uconn has lost to transfer on average one player every year and three years ago they put out a call for walk-ons to get to at least ten players for practices. The list of transfers in recent years: Banks, Boykin, Edwards, Engeln, Johnson, Walker - 6 since the 2010 freshman arrived. That is only a slightly higher rate than in the previous ten years, so to some degree you have to add that into the recruiting and team building plan. You can't just ignore that, and roster size is preference - recruiting and transfers (in and out) are very inexact science - if you find players that fit your profile and want to come, you kind of have to take them if you have roster spots, because the future is unpredictable. The 1998-2001 period was the last time Uconn was in the 14-15 roster size range and those years were pretty good, and that was primarily the result of a transfer (Big Rig) and a five player TASSK.
 
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The reality is that Uconn has lost to transfer on average one player every year and three years ago they put out a call for walk-ons to get to at least ten players for practices. The list of transfers in recent years: Banks, Boykin, Edwards, Engeln, Johnson, Walker - 6 since the 2010 freshman arrived. That is only a slightly higher rate than in the previous ten years, so to some degree you have to add that into the recruiting and team building plan. You can't just ignore that, and roster size is preference - recruiting and transfers (in and out) are very inexact science - if you find players that fit your profile and want to come, you kind of have to take them if you have roster spots, because the future is unpredictable. The 1998-2001 period was the last time Uconn was in the 14-15 roster size range and those years were pretty good, and that was primarily the result of a transfer (Big Rig) and a five player TASSK.

But Banks transferred because she realized that 1) she was not in Coach Geno's good graces (he gave her almost no playing time in the tournament), and 2) that with the incoming crop, she would likely see even less playing time the following year. Edwards left because she was being treated like a permanent benchwarmer. Walker, though her performance was promising, left for reasons that remain opaque. She had a strange attitude, and was left home once when the team went on the road. Engeln was relegated to the bench with virtually no chance of getting real playing time. Boykin? Not clear: she was injured, and was sinking into academic problems.

So it is rare for UConn to encounter defections by highly valued players whom they want to keep. Taking in transfers is even more rare.

Britney Hunter was welcomed after she was done wrong by Duke. She showed up on campus with a serious knee condition that permanently hampered her ability to play. But Coach Geno had recruited her, understood her situation, and welcomed her with open arms. There was a McCormick from New Zealand whom he wanted to transfer in, but who had injuries, and finally decided to go home to New Zealand. Otherwise, this is a pretty rare stretch of inward transfers.

Of course, the coach is brilliant, and he's certain to have a long-term strategy. Just look forward to listening to his thoughts.
 
Of course, the one who doesn't count in these calculations (left after one day: maybe bedbugs in the dorms?) is a minor role player with the initials EDD.
 
I wish I could be a fly on the wall of the coaching offices of The Muffet, Brenda Frese, JP McCallie, Dawn Staley, Kim Mulkey, & Jeff Walz! They work their butts off signing and bringing in top recruits with UCONN losing their Big 3 and then giddy as they schedule a so-called weakened Husky team and then have UCONN sign Azura Stevens and on the verge of signing Batouly Camara, both Bigs for 2017-2018! The reaction will melt the ears of a Southern Baptist preacher!
God, I love it! Jealousy oozing from their pores!
 
But Banks transferred because she realized that 1) she was not in Coach Geno's good graces (he gave her almost no playing time in the tournament), and 2) that with the incoming crop, she would likely see even less playing time the following year. Edwards left because she was being treated like a permanent benchwarmer. Walker, though her performance was promising, left for reasons that remain opaque. She had a strange attitude, and was left home once when the team went on the road. Engeln was relegated to the bench with virtually no chance of getting real playing time. Boykin? Not clear: she was injured, and was sinking into academic problems.
While I largely agree with your assessment of why the players possibly left, what makes you think that Banks was not in "Geno's good graces"? There's a difference between riding the pine due to being out of favor with the coach vs. being just too low on the depth chart...

Everything I read about her transfer indicated genuine fondness by both coach and player, but that Brianna wanted a fresh start closer to home and probably more PT.

Brianna showed great heart during her time with us, whether it was on the floor or during the rehab process,” Auriemma said. “I wish Brianna nothing but the best in the future.”

“I decided to transfer because I feel like I need a fresh start somewhere closer to home,” Banks said. “I really appreciate all that my teammates, coaches, and the university have done for me and I will miss everyone at UConn dearly
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I decided to transfer because I feel like I need a fresh start somewhere closer to home,” Banks said

with all due respect to Banks does it make any difference if you are 700 miles from home instead of 1,000 miles. Sure, she needed a fresh start, but closer to home ?
 
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Only if Walker has informed them of other plans. They'd take her if she wants to come.
I agree, they'll definitely take Walker. And IMO, this expanded world of transfers makes it easier for Auriemma to take as many of his top targets as possible and let it set up a "survival of the fittest" scenario. After all, that's how it's been working the last 5-7 years anyway. He's just been doing it with less players to start with. If he can get 14-15 each year that he really likes to work with then it makes some attrition easier to cope with.
 
I agree, they'll definitely take Walker. And IMO, this expanded world of transfers makes it easier for Auriemma to take as many of his top targets as possible and let it set up a "survival of the fittest" scenario. After all, that's how it's been working the last 5-7 years anyway. He's just been doing it with less players to start with. If he can get 14-15 each year that he really likes to work with then it makes some attrition easier to cope with.
In addition to Walker, Uconn would also take Coombs, who has an offer, and will be visiting Uconn later this year.
 
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I agree, they'll definitely take Walker. And IMO, this expanded world of transfers makes it easier for Auriemma to take as many of his top targets as possible and let it set up a "survival of the fittest" scenario. After all, that's how it's been working the last 5-7 years anyway. He's just been doing it with less players to start with. If he can get 14-15 each year that he really likes to work with then it makes some attrition easier to cope with.
Perhaps you're right here. But it may be that such an approach creates a greater amount of general uncertainty and lack of team cohesion. Team chemistry is a delicate thing that grows through mutual trust and support. That would be much, much harder to build in the scenario you describe. It's not about who has the most toys, but who uses them the most effectively.
 
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