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The NBA stat PIPM (Player Impact Plus Minus) is now available in multi-year form for college basketball starting with the 2011 season.

You can compare up to 8 players at once or just look anyone up individually. I put together a few charts of our lead possession users since 2011.

This is the overall chart (encompassing offense and defense). It's graphed by career game number to show improvement over the years. Note that for Kemba it's starting with his junior year only since that is where the data begins.

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auror said:
The NBA stat PIPM (Player Impact Plus Minus) is now available in multi-year form for college basketball starting with the 2011 season.

You can compare up to 8 players at once or just look anyone up individually. I put together a few charts of our lead possession users since 2011.

This is the overall chart (encompassing offense and defense). It's graphed by career game number to show improvement over the years. Note that for Kemba it's starting with his junior year only since that is where the data begins.

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That beginning spike for Kemba in Maui is something
 
auror said:
The NBA stat PIPM (Player Impact Plus Minus) is now available in multi-year form for college basketball starting with the 2011 season.

You can compare up to 8 players at once or just look anyone up individually. I put together a few charts of our lead possession users since 2011.

This is the overall chart (encompassing offense and defense). It's graphed by career game number to show improvement over the years. Note that for Kemba it's starting with his junior year only since that is where the data begins.

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the Bouknight trajectory.
 
Very interesting, bouknight trending well! Don’t know much about the stat but thinking back on these players the trends make sense. Also really shows how much potential we missed out on with Gilbert unfortunately
 
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Get a Job said:
Bouknight's defense, woof.
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I'm more interested in Jalen Adams's. If this is cumulative, it suggests he was a terrific defensive player his first year, then gave it all back and then some his next 3 years. What happened?

Also, I never thought much of Daniel Hamilton's defense, but he really got after it at that end, apparently.
 
auror said:
Here's the same chart with just offense.
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I took out Kemba from the offense one to get a better sense of the others without warping the scale. Added Purvis.

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Tenspro2002 said:
I'm more interested in Jalen Adams's. If this is cumulative, it suggests he was a terrific defensive player his first year, then gave it all back and then some his next 3 years. What happened?
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It could mean all sorts of things. Anything involving plus/minus can get murky. Part of it was certainly his effort. His freshman year he was likely given less challenging defensive assignments as Purvis and Gibbs were guarding the opposition's biggest threats. He also played far fewer minutes per game as a freshman than he did over his final three seasons. The team his freshman season was also much better all-around--our last tournament team--and outstanding defensively. The opposition shot a ridiculous .384 from the floor against us in 2015-16, good for 6th best in the country. His soph year we were 12th, then dropped to 138th and 189th his last two seasons.

I'm not surprised that Vital was also worse, and trending downward, at the end of KO's tenure and then shot up under Hurley. Same thing with Gilbert. This is just another metric that also shows how terrible KO was his final two seasons. The team was a rudderless ship.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
I'm more interested in Jalen Adams's. If this is cumulative, it suggests he was a terrific defensive player his first year, then gave it all back and then some his next 3 years. What happened?

Also, I never thought much of Daniel Hamilton's defense, but he really got after it at that end, apparently.
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You're on the right track but not quite there. It's not cumulative per se, but it's kind of like a moving average weighted more towards the newest data, at least that's my understanding. So he was a good defensive player in his freshman year, then bad enough that it tanked him. @Lefty2one covered a lot of the potential reasons why. I'm sure a lot of it was shouldering a big load on offense and in general his last couple teams not being very good defensively.

Hamilton is the only "big" in the comparison. Bigs impact defense more than guards just in general (rebounding, blocking shots, defending the rim). Hamilton was one of the best defensive rebounders in the country that year and the team defense overall was great and he certainly had a hand in it.
 
auror said:
Hamilton is the only "big" in the comparison. Bigs impact defense more than guards just in general (rebounding, blocking shots, defending the rim).
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This is also an important note re: Jalen. His junior and senior year he didn't have Brimah. Not a world-beater but a damn good rim protector. That impacts everything and everyone defensively.

Our national ranking in team blocked shots over the last five seasons.
  • 24th: '15-'16 with Brimah
  • 12th: '16-'17 with Brimah
  • 109th: '17-'18 with no rim protector
  • 42nd: '18-'19 with no rim protector (Carlton averaged a respectable 1.8 bpg but he's no Brimah/Akok/Whaley)
  • 4th: '19-'20 with Akok and Whaley's emergence
Pretty much paints a picture that Jalen was an average/indifferent defender in a program whose defense (or at least defensive talent) got worse throughout his career. His warts became more visible in addition to KO driving the program into the ground.
 
The final run Shabazz went on to the title looks almost identical (game by game dots) to the run CV was on. What could have been if CV had a chance to play out the post season...
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Lefty2one said:
This is also an important note re: Jalen. His junior and senior year he didn't have Brimah. Not a world-beater but a damn good rim protector. That impacts everything and everyone defensively.

Our national ranking in team blocked shots over the last five seasons.
  • 24th: '15-'16 with Brimah
  • 12th: '16-'17 with Brimah
  • 109th: '17-'18 with no rim protector
  • 42nd: '18-'19 with no rim protector (Carlton averaged a respectable 1.8 bpg but he's no Brimah/Akok/Whaley)
  • 4th: '19-'20 with Akok and Whaley's emergence
Pretty much paints a picture that Jalen was an average/indifferent defender in a program whose defense (or at least defensive talent) got worse throughout his career. His warts became more visible in addition to KO driving the program into the ground.
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Ask and ye shall receive. Bigs PIPM. Note that some of Shonn Miller, Oriakhi, and Enoch's data are from other teams.
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As I've said in other contexts, I'm not a huge fan of computer measures of basketball players because a lot doesn't get picked up in stats. That having been said, LMAO at numbers showing AO as clearly more impactful than Drummond. But his father was mean.
 
Lefty2one said:
How the hell did we win a national championship with Nolan as the starting 4 lol.
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He only took 8.5% of the shots lol. Not even overall. When he was on the floor.
 
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businesslawyer said:
As I've said in other contexts, I'm not a huge fan of computer measures of basketball players because a lot doesn't get picked up in stats. That having been said, LMAO at numbers showing AO as clearly more impactful than Drummond. But his father was mean.
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The end of Oriakhi's curve is when he was at Missouri. They had about the same impact for his junior/Andre's freshman year here. Oriakhi was a beast at Missouri.
 
businesslawyer said:
As I've said in other contexts, I'm not a huge fan of computer measures of basketball players because a lot doesn't get picked up in stats. That having been said, LMAO at numbers showing AO as clearly more impactful than Drummond. But his father was mean.
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Drummond was pretty mediocre and JC didn't do a good job managing him and Oriakhi together (in addition to Oriakhi being really whiny about the situation).

The talent on that team was top 10 worthy, but the pieces fit together horribly. Boat/Bazz/Lamb/Oriakhi/Drummond, with Daniels, Giffey, Roscoe Smith. Shame that was JC's last year.
 
auror said:
The NBA stat PIPM (Player Impact Plus Minus) is now available in multi-year form for college basketball starting with the 2011 season.

You can compare up to 8 players at once or just look anyone up individually. I put together a few charts of our lead possession users since 2011.

This is the overall chart (encompassing offense and defense). It's graphed by career game number to show improvement over the years. Note that for Kemba it's starting with his junior year only since that is where the data begins.

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New favorite site. This is so addicting.
 
A few more with some wings/bigs that weren't included so far.

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Offense
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auror said:
A few more with some wings/bigs that weren't included so far.

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At first this chart made me pessimistic for Polley. Look how terrible he was on offense as a freshman. Yikes. (It makes sense, the team was bad, he made basically 0 plays for others, turned it over his fair share, shot 23% on 2s, and didn't take enough 3s to make an impact).

But now look closer. He's tracking on that Giffey course almost exactly. A little bit more impactful on offense compared to Giffey's junior year, a little worse on D, balances out to about the same. Giffey obviously went berserk on offense as a senior by never missing a 3, but if Polley can trust his body, he can definitely be a very positive contributing piece this year.
 
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@auror can you put boat, Gibbs, purvis, cv, bazz, B Adams, Gaffney, J Adams on a chart?
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I'm more interested in Jalen Adams's. If this is cumulative, it suggests he was a terrific defensive player his first year, then gave it all back and then some his next 3 years. What happened?
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Reality happened. He couldn’t carry a team like Kemba and Shabazz before him, and he was asked to do just that very thing.
 
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