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KingAG said:
Taris is clicking.

If you think he’s not, and we won’t win because of it, you’re saying he’s a problem.

We can win and have won with how he’s playing right now.

We match those teams in rebounding by Alex, Eric and Stew upping their interior play. Not the guy averaging 8
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No, no he's not. Sorry buddy, you cannot just flash the stats. You're on an island with that. We've been outrebounded by garbage rebounding teams in the BE in this stretch, in games way too close, with garbage centers. Keep fighting the fight, but there a peoplel here who watch the game who see plenty he can be much better at.
 
jleves said:
I was going to put something in my post that likewise it would also be good if Ball was shooting closer to his historical average instead of 10% below. And it would be good if AK was taking a few more at 42% and also making more bunnies, but I decided to focus just on Reed as that was the player referenced.


I get that what I'm saying puts him in elite status, but it's there. You can see it. He can actually be a 20 and 12 guy. It's right there in front of him. And yes, he can absolutely be better than Sanogo. He has all the size, skills, strength and athleticism to be.

As I said, we don't get to 21-1 without him, but he is just a tick under what I think he can be. Player of the year - maybe - that's there too.

I'm happy he's a top 10 big, but it's his last year and he has everything to be a top 3 guy and no, he's not the problem or even a problem. I'm just saying there is more there and we want to see him get to that next level.
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Understood. But do you realize this is not the angle from the fan base. You have guys like @RuffRuff calling him soft. He’s being labeled as “inconsistent” when his numbers and advanced metrics say otherwise. “Eye test” is very biased. And I don’t see the critics rooting him on. I see people saying he needs to lose minutes to Reibe. As if he’s been less than. When he very clearly hasn’t been. I respect your angle. But if we’re being honest this is not what people are saying.
 
KingAG said:
Understood. But do you realize this is not the angle from the fan base. You have guys like @RuffRuff calling him soft. He’s being labeled as “inconsistent” when his numbers and advanced metrics say otherwise. “Eye test” is very biased. And I don’t see the critics rooting him on. I see people saying he needs to lose minutes to Reibe. As if he’s been less than. When he very clearly hasn’t been. I respect your angle. But if we’re being honest this is not what people are saying.
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I do not speak for the people - just saying what I think. There's more to his game that hasn't been tapped. Not having tapped that isn't hurting us, but tapping it can bring us to another level. Just like getting Ball back to shooting around 40% brings us to another level.
 
jleves said:
I do not speak for the people - just saying what I think. There's more to his game that hasn't been tapped. Not having tapped that isn't hurting us, but tapping it can bring us to another level. Just like getting Ball back to shooting around 40% brings us to another level.
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I’m only responding to you saying you don’t think it’s hate. I’m telling you there is a subset here who are absolutely doing that. I respect wanting all the players to be better. But this board/fan base picks a guy or 2 every year to pick on. He got called soft for sitting out a game due to injury this year. Its unwarranted.
 
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KingAG said:
Taris is clicking.

If you think he’s not, and we won’t win because of it, you’re saying he’s a problem.

We can win and have won with how he’s playing right now.

We match those teams in rebounding by Alex, Eric and Stew upping their interior play. Not the guy averaging 8
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BTW, Tarris averaged .5 rebounds less last year on like 6 less minutes a game. If he was going to stay to last years rate, he'd be closer to 10/game.
 
uh-no said:
up til last night's game, duke had been playing significantly better than uconn over the past month. For better or worse, the eye test matters. THey also have 8 quad wins to 5. Their florida, MSU, and KU wins match up about even with illinois, florida and kansas. We have the extra high-level win over BYU OOC, but they also just whacked a similarly rated louisville team by a significant margin. And they have an extra chance against Michigan for an elite win, which I htink is a toss-up at this point.

If both teams run it to the end of the season, Duke has the edge...and I'm not sure there's a particularly good argument any other way. Unless Uconn obliterates these non-tournament teams they should be for the rest of the year, I think they are not sitting at #1 in the east. For better or worse, efficiency metrics are on the team sheet, and uconn is a trailer in that department too.

Concensus is uconn is #4 overall right now: http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

That said, I don't think both teams will run it to the end of the year, so the point will be moot.
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If it came down to it I’d take #2 in the east vs number one anywhere else. Except maybe possibly the west. But let’s stay local and run this B!!
 
RuffRuff said:
No, no he's not. Sorry buddy, you cannot just flash the stats. You're on an island with that. We've been outrebounded by garbage rebounding teams in the BE in this stretch, in games way too close, with garbage centers. Keep fighting the fight, but there a peoplel here who watch the game who see plenty he can be much better at.
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1. I’m not alone.

2. The best rebounder on the team is not the reason we are struggling to rebound. The mental gymnastics you go through to stick to your narrative should be studied.

3. Mr Metrics and numbers is now telling me to ignore the metrics and numbers lmfao. This is amazing.

4. Watch the game? Watch the game?! The guy who disappeared for the AAC decade is attempting to insinuate he watches the game and I don’t. I bet you couldn’t name me a 2016 AAC roster off of the top of your head. Who’s Antwoine Anderson? Give me a break lol
 
RuffRuff said:
No, no he's not. Sorry buddy, you cannot just flash the stats. You're on an island with that. We've been outrebounded by garbage rebounding teams in the BE in this stretch, in games way too close, with garbage centers. Keep fighting the fight, but there a peoplel here who watch the game who see plenty he can be much better at.
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Tarris is more or less fine, he’s honestly not even the one who needs the most improvement. He can do better, he should get a few more boards per game but I also think some of our guys don’t rebound well elsewhere

Right now, consistent shooting is the main issue that will determine our championship potential. They don’t need to be perfect, but that and slightly better rebounding overall completely changes things.
 
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Away/Neutral vs Quad 1
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Away/Neutral vs Quads 1 & 2
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We are good.
 
KingAG said:
1. I’m not alone.

2. The best rebounder on the team is not the reason we are struggling to rebound. The mental gymnastics you go through to stick to your narrative should be studied.

3. Mr Metrics and numbers is now telling me to ignore the metrics and numbers lmfao. This is amazing.

4. Watch the game? Watch the game?! The guy who disappeared for the AAC decade is attempting to insinuate he watches the game and I don’t. I bet you couldn’t name me a 2016 AAC roster off of the top of your head. Who’s Antwoine Anderson? Give me a break lol
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1. Love to see a Ruff fight that I’m not in the middle of

2. Names from those AAC rosters a reminder of just how bleak things were here not all that long ago
 
KingAG said:
Understood. But do you realize this is not the angle from the fan base. You have guys like @RuffRuff calling him soft. He’s being labeled as “inconsistent” when his numbers and advanced metrics say otherwise. “Eye test” is very biased. And I don’t see the critics rooting him on. I see people saying he needs to lose minutes to Reibe. As if he’s been less than. When he very clearly hasn’t been. I respect your angle. But if we’re being honest this is not what people are saying.
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These are the statements that I was referencing when I said too much Tarris hate going around. Not the people saying I wish he got two more rebounds a game or made a few more bunnies.
 
We have like 6 weapons that opposing teams have to scheme for. You can’t scout for 6 players and shut them all down. We have such a balanced team.

Thats why getting Solo back to mid 30% from 3 is important. He adds another headache. Not many top teams have even 4 dangerous players.
 
KingAG said:
That game didn’t count because it was in the beginning of the year
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Not only did Illinois have to do a brutal thing and get on a plane and travel to NY, but the game also didn't count because Illinois missed a billion open 3s that had absolutely nothing to do with UConn's defense. It was purely historically bad luck and shouldn’t factor into any future argument.
 
Kemba15 said:
Not only did Illinois have to do a brutal thing and get on a plane and travel to NY, but the game also didn't count because Illinois missed a billion open 3s that had absolutely nothing to do with UConn's defense. It was purely historically bad luck and shouldn’t factor into any future argument.
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You get it
 
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EROCK CONN said:
Lunardi has Duke as 1 seed in the east and us as 1 seed in the south…. i know it doesn’t mean much…. but it does to me damn it….. And if this battle keeps trending the way it is, ESPN, Duke, and the ACC will do everything in their power to shove Duke into that East No. 1 seed.

#keepwinning
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Houston for Huskies 👍
But 100% going DC if that's it. Daughter there and while not UConn daughter, she and I had Hartford season tix while her sister was frosh and soph before she headed to William & Mary. Fun.
 
auror said:
Yeah the only scenario I don't want is to be in the same region as Houston in the South.
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Do you know why Houston is always the 2 or 3 in the south in every projected bracket? Are they essentially locked in there as long as they finish as a top 4 seed? i never understood how that’s fair to the higher seeds. A #1 seed could be “rewarded” by having to play Houston in Houston in the sweet 16.

And if UConn is the last 1 seed why aren’t we paired with Illinois as the first 2 seed?
 
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bendm said:
Do you know why Houston is always the 2 or 3 in the south in every projected bracket? Are they essentially locked in there as long as they finish as a top 4 seed? i never understood how that’s fair to the higher seeds. A #1 seed could be “rewarded” by having to play Houston in Houston in the sweet 16.

And if UConn is the last 1 seed why aren’t we paired with Illinois as the first 2 seed?
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Arizona is very likely to be the #1 in the West, so Houston can't go into that region because of conference balance rules. Beyond that, most of the 2s and 3s prefer the Midwest-Chicago (Iowa St, Illinois, Nebraska, Mich St, Purdue, Kansas), East-DC (Florida, Vanderbilt), or West-San Jose (Gonzaga, BYU).

None of the teams' top geographic choice is Houston. Texas Tech is the only team that would, but they're well below Houston in the pecking order. Now the committee still might put a team higher on the S-curve than Houston into the South as their 2nd choice if Midwest is taken, but if location is similar between Houston and that team's 3rd choice, they might just put Houston in the South to minimize total travel anyways, especially if it's better for the bracket integrity. So there's a lot of scenarios where Houston ends up in Houston by default essentially.

Best chance for them not to end up there is probably if Iowa St finished ahead of them on S-Curve on the same seedline but behind someone like Illinois or Purdue who pick Chicago first.
 
bendm said:
Do you know why Houston is always the 2 or 3 in the south in every projected bracket? Are they essentially locked in there as long as they finish as a top 4 seed? i never understood how that’s fair to the higher seeds. A #1 seed could be “rewarded” by having to play Houston in Houston in the sweet 16.

And if UConn is the last 1 seed why aren’t we paired with Illinois as the first 2 seed?
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aside from protecting the overall #1, and some conference stuff, the top 2 seed lines are always done by location. overall #1 goes to their preference, overall #2 goes to their preference (of remaining available)....down to overall #8. Then the 3 and 4 seeds are done with a bit more of overall bracket balance in mind...the sum of the overall seeds of the top 4 in each bracket must be within some range. However that range is so wide as to be meaningless.

In the end, you can assume that geography/location is the more important factor.
 
I’d rather UConn a 2 seed in the east than a 1 in the south (unless Houston is not in the south). That being said I am 99% sure the NCAA will put Houston in the south. They even changed the rule for them over the summer. That plus the fact that UH nearly got screwed last year by playing Purdue in Indianapolis in the Sweet Sixteen as the higher seed.
 
Won’t happen - NCAA rules prohibit teams from playing tournament games in a venue they have played more than 3 home games

Final 4 is not but no way once they pick a site for them to bar teams - see Dayton in ‘15

But sneaky Sampson made a deal to give up home court as a regional to the Toyota center 3 miles away so while Houston themselves cannot host they can be super advantaged.

Also Illinois could play at the United Center as well but that is like 100+ miles from campus.
 
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UConnTrumbull said:
I’d rather UConn a 2 seed in the east than a 1 in the south (unless Houston is not in the south). That being said I am 99% sure the NCAA will put Houston in the south. They even changed the rule for them over the summer. That plus the fact that UH nearly got screwed last year by playing Purdue in Indianapolis in the Sweet Sixteen as the higher seed.
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I don't feel like Houston is one of those programs that has a major following, like a B10 school. This is not the Houston teams of the past defensively. I actually don't mind how we matchup.
 
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