uconn leadership needs to change the game...

[CAHUSKY]

well, in case you haven't seen, gt, fsu, miami, vt, and clemson are also rumored to be on the move.
so yes, that does leave Pitt, bc, wake, uofl, and syr.

But that's not what your post said and I was responding to that. That being said, a conference with BC, PITT, cuse, is still preferable to the steaming pile of gorilla s hit of a Leauge we currently find ourselves in.

 

[upstater]

It's merely a comment on your cluelessness. Don't read too much into it.

I think coaches' shows are worthless. I am shocked by every post here that references something from an SNY press conference or show. I have no idea why anyone would watch them - but even if the games are 98% of the rake - the women's basketball deal is for 4.55 million over 4 years. The men's basketball and football deal makes all of that worth maybe 5 million a year. It's a fraction of the 25 million that would be shared.

If it were anywhere near your assumptions the ACC would fall over themselves to invite UConn.

The rights are worth 25 million a year. Your idea now is that football + men's basketball is $400k more than women's bball. That's idiotic. Use your brain.

 

[upstater]

Ok... but if you read my post, the teams being mentioned to leave are UVA, UNC, NC st and duke... what's left in the acc:
wf, bc, syr, pitt, uofl. that's it.
not excited....

They can't all leave, some will get left behind. If UNC and UVa go B1G, Duke doesn't have a spot unless conferences go to 18.

 

[Jarhead_1775]

Seems a little drastic!

WTF man, you got 2! Desperate times call for desperate measures!

 

[RMoore1999]

UConn makes $25 million a year on its lower tier rights.
If it grants those to the conference, UConn goes in the hole at least $20 million a year.

"UConn makes $25 million a year on its lower tier rights."

Do you have the breakdown on this?

 

[upstater]

"UConn makes $25 million a year on its lower tier rights."

Do you have the breakdown on this?

Other than about $10 million coming from IMG, 1.5m for women's bball, there's no further breakdown. The men's bball-football is packaged together, but news reports don't show a value.

The 24.7m figure is reported under UConn's financials in the USA Today NCAA financial database. That is the aggregate revenue from their rights.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Other than about $10 million coming from IMG, 1.5m for women's bball, there's no further breakdown. The men's bball-football is packaged together, but news reports don't show a value.

The 24.7m figure is reported under UConn's financials in the USA Today NCAA financial database. That is the aggregate revenue from their rights.

that's all 3rd tier?

 

[upstater]

that's all 3rd tier?

As I said, no it's not. But the schools do not break up their licensing rights by tiers. For good reason. Because everyone slices up their licensing rights differently. You can only make these comparisons inside the conference since, presumably, every team inside that conference will have a similar breakdown (i.e. rights given to the conference vs. rights given to the school).

 

[whaler11]

The rights are worth 25 million a year. Your idea now is that football + men's basketball is $400k more than women's bball. That's idiotic. Use your brain.

What the hell are you talking about. Women's basketball is worth a million a year roughly. It's 4.55 million for 4 years guy.

You are so totally and completely lost it's painful.

Tier 3 football has little value. If your team is any good none of your games are tier 3. If you have a lot of tier 3 football inventory your team sucks and nobody wants to watch.

I was being generous to your argument saying the tier 3 TV rights are worth 5 million.

Think for one second. If UConn's tier 3 TV rights were worth the amounts you propose - how would the ACC not gobble them up? All three tiers in the ACC pay 17 million. UConn's tier 3 rights would be even more valuable in the ACC. So if they were sharing this huge amount of money - how could they pass them up.

Can you please post the amount you think UConn gets for Tier 3 TV rights. What the ACC shares. Not the IMG or licensing money that they don't share. Please don't post the idiotic 15 million you've posted prior because that is clearly so wrong it's painful.

 

[whaler11]

Here was UConn's 2012 tier 3 football inventory I believe.

UMass
Temple

NCSU and Buffalo were Tier 2. Pitt and Cinci were Tier 1.


What are the rights to televise UConn/UMass and UConn/Temple worth you think?

How much of that 25 million was for the rights to two awful football games?

 

[upstater]

What the hell are you talking about. Women's basketball is worth a million a year roughly. It's 4.55 million for 4 years guy.

You are so totally and completely lost it's painful.

Tier 3 football has little value. If your team is any good none of your games are tier 3. If you have a lot of tier 3 football inventory your team sucks and nobody wants to watch.

I was being generous to your argument saying the tier 3 TV rights are worth 5 million.

Think for one second. If UConn's tier 3 TV rights were worth the amounts you propose - how would the ACC not gobble them up? All three tiers in the ACC pay 17 million. UConn's tier 3 rights would be even more valuable in the ACC. So if they were sharing this huge amount of money - how could they pass them up.

Can you please post the amount you think UConn gets for Tier 3 TV rights. What the ACC shares. Not the IMG or licensing money that they don't share. Please don't post the idiotic 15 million you've posted prior because that is clearly so wrong it's painful.

You can't read, that much is obvious. I said numerous times the 25 mill is not all tier 3, but go on with your idiocy. Frankly, you equated the football/men's bball package with the women's bball. Just beyond stupid. Idiotic.

 

[djct1999]

patience is a virtue.....the lack of information flow can drive a fan nuts. my money is with uconn never playing a single game in the nbe or mwc.

 

[whaler11]

You can't read, that much is obvious. I said numerous times the 25 mill is not all tier 3, but go on with your idiocy. Frankly, you equated the football/men's bball package with the women's bball. Just beyond stupid. Idiotic.

LOL. So lost I feel bad for you.

I showed you women's basketball gets 4.55 million for four years - but division seems out of your grasp. Instead you tell me that I think men's basketball and football are worth $500k. You can't possibly be this stupid.

I showed you tier 3 football is nearly worthless.

I overestimated the tier 3 TV rights by over 100% to give you a break. Even granting you 5 million a year makes your arguments idiotic.

Please oh great academic - Who has told us in this very thread that UConn would be 20 million under water by sharing Tier 3. Please put an estimated number down for what UConn gets paid for tier 3 TV rights today.

 

[mets1090]

patience is a virtue.....the lack of information flow can drive a fan nuts. my money is with uconn never playing a single game in the nbe or mwc.

Agreed this is the most likely scenario in my opinion. People can be quick to assume lack of public comment means lack of moving and shaking behind the scenes. Meanwhile all UConn fans cry how can we not be appealing to the B1G or at least the ACC. There is so much supporting our value to a major conference that I am fairly confident we will find a home. But the lack of information is enough to drive you insane. I wish I could just fast forward college athletics 2 years.

 

[upstater]

LOL. So lost I feel bad for you.

I showed you women's basketball gets 4.55 million for four years - but division seems out of your grasp. Instead you tell me that I think men's basketball and football are worth $500k. You can't possibly be this stupid.

I showed you tier 3 football is nearly worthless.

I overestimated the tier 3 TV rights by over 100% to give you a break. Even granting you 5 million a year makes your arguments idiotic.

Please oh great academic - Who has told us in this very thread that UConn would be 20 million under water by sharing Tier 3. Please put an estimated number down for what UConn gets paid for tier 3 TV rights today.

I wrote $500k MORE. But you can't read so it doesn't matter.

You're an idiot.

And by the way, the talk from the MWC and Boise is not about Tier 3 rights. It's tier 2 and 3.

But you're slow, which explains your hatred for more learned people.

 

[whaler11]

I wrote $500k MORE. But you can't read so it doesn't matter.

You're an idiot.

And by the way, the talk from the MWC and Boise is not about Tier 3 rights. It's tier 2 and 3.

But you're slow, which explains your hatred for more learned people.

God can you answer the question to prove your stupidity? What are UConn's tier 3 TV right worth? Asked three times - how about an answer. Give us a number oh learned one. Is it the 20 million you claimed they would be underwater? Is it the 15 million you retreated to?

Every conference pools tier 2 Tv rights - I can't even imagine what your new point is.

You are lost. Totally and completely lost.

Why don't you just stick to bitching about Big 10 refs for your beloved Penn State. It is no surprise that someone as clueless as you is tied to that institution. Just the living embodiment of stupidity and arrogance cloaked in 'learned'. At least your stupidity is hopefully contained to internet message boards - your brethren managed to do real damage with theirs.

 

[UConnDan97]

patience is a virtue.....the lack of information flow can drive a fan nuts. my money is with uconn never playing a single game in the nbe or mwc.

Ummm....if your prediction of never playing a single game in the nbe were to come true, that would mean that we would be in another conference by the fall of 2013 (next year). Do you honestly believe that? Even if we are selected by another conference, you don't think we'd have to play out next year's schedule in football?

I'm pretty sure most football schedules for the conferences are already spelled out. I'd be shocked if we DIDN'T play a game in the NBE, even though I think that we have a great deal of value that the biggest five conferences are currently looking at...

 

[whaler11]

Ummm....if your prediction of never playing a single game in the nbe were to come true, that would mean that we would be in another conference by the fall of 2013 (next year). Do you honestly believe that? Even if we are selected by another conference, you don't think we'd have to play out next year's schedule in football?

I'm pretty sure most football schedules for the conferences are already spelled out. I'd be shocked if we DIDN'T play a game in the NBE, even though I think that we have a great deal of value that the biggest five conferences are currently looking at...

This is why I made the joke when the schedule came out that it's cute that they think they know who is in the league. If Boise sticks with MWC are they going to leave for one year and play a season in the Big East and go back?

Would be humorous if Boise came for one year and won the last BCS bid.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Here was UConn's 2012 tier 3 football inventory I believe.

UMass
Temple

NCSU and Buffalo were Tier 2. Pitt and Cinci were Tier 1.


What are the rights to televise UConn/UMass and UConn/Temple worth you think?

How much of that 25 million was for the rights to two awful football games?

at least $10M each...

 

[upstater]

God can you answer the question to prove your stupidity? What are UConn's tier 3 TV right worth? Asked three times - how about an answer. Give us a number oh learned one. Is it the 20 million you claimed they would be underwater? Is it the 15 million you retreated to?

Every conference pools tier 2 Tv rights - I can't even imagine what your new point is.

You are lost. Totally and completely lost.

Why don't you just stick to bitching about Big 10 refs for your beloved Penn State. It is no surprise that someone as clueless as you is tied to that institution. Just the living embodiment of stupidity and arrogance cloaked in 'learned'. At least your stupidity is hopefully contained to internet message boards - your brethren managed to do real damage with theirs.

Every conference pools 2nd tier rights. Except for the fact the MWC is discussing not pooling 2nd tier rights. Follow along, you're way behind.

And sorry I made fun of your intelligence. I shouldn't have done that. It's an unkind thing to do.

 

[whaler11]

Every conference pools 2nd tier rights. Except for the fact the MWC is discussing not pooling 2nd tier rights. Follow along, you're way behind.

And sorry I made fun of your intelligence. I shouldn't have done that. It's an unkind thing to do.

Yeah maybe I'm not as smart as you. Of course I haven't been completely wrong through this entire thread. Now it is true, I don't read Plato, care about the humanities or go on sabbaticals. I do however make more by March 1st than the average college professor makes in the entire year with just my little old bachelors degree from a state school. So while I'll don't have easy access to co-ed's with daddy issues - at least I rest easy that I'm not so out of touch with reality that I defend the scumbags at Penn State.

 

[upstater]

Yeah maybe I'm not as smart as you. Of course I haven't been completely wrong through this entire thread. Now it is true, I don't read Plato, care about the humanities or go on sabbaticals. I do however make more by March 1st than the average college professor makes in the entire year with just my little old bachelors degree from a state school. So while I'll don't have easy access to co-ed's with daddy issues - at least I rest easy that I'm not so out of touch with reality that I defend the scumbags at Penn State.

You mentioned the word "issues" in your post. I'm not surprised. You do have issues.

 

[Jericho]

This argument is bizarre. What whaler11 is saying is bascially accurate. I'm not even following what upstater is trying to argue.

If UConn is even getting $5 million in its Tier 3 TELEVISION rights, that's fantastic. Better than most schools. Better than virtually very school not named Texas. Tier 3 is basically what Tiers 1 and 2 don't take. That usually means 0-1 football games and somewhere around 5-8 basketball games. The only major conference that allows schools to retain Tier 3 television rights is the Big 12 (Hence the Longhorn Network). The Big 10 and Pac 12 bundle them in their own networks and the SEC soon will. The ACC sold them to ESPN, although even that deal has a ton of misinformation out there (for example, my understanding is women's basketball is treated differently than other sports)

So much of what often gets lumped into Tier 3 rights goes beyond the television rights. I'm not aware of any conference that has requires schools to lump non-Television Tier 3 rights (although the Pac-12 network may include some coach's shows).

In a hypothetical UConn to the ACC scenario, UConn would not forfeit $25 million. At worst, it would forfeit $5 million (not accounting for what it would gain in Tiers 1 and 2), and even that number is likely grossly inflated. The real number is probably no more the half that.

 

[zls44]

Yeah maybe I'm not as smart as you. Of course I haven't been completely wrong through this entire thread. Now it is true, I don't read Plato, care about the humanities or go on sabbaticals. I do however make more by March 1st than the average college professor makes in the entire year with just my little old bachelors degree from a state school. So while I'll don't have easy access to co-ed's with daddy issues - at least I rest easy that I'm not so out of touch with reality that I defend the scumbags at Penn State.

Mic drop

 

[HobokenHusky]

Yeah maybe I'm not as smart as you. Of course I haven't been completely wrong through this entire thread. Now it is true, I don't read Plato, care about the humanities or go on sabbaticals. I do however make more by March 1st than the average college professor makes in the entire year with just my little old bachelors degree from a state school. So while I'll don't have easy access to co-ed's with daddy issues - at least I rest easy that I'm not so out of touch with reality that I defend the scumbags at Penn State.

 

[SAMCRO]

Yeah maybe I'm not as smart as you. Of course I haven't been completely wrong through this entire thread. Now it is true, I don't read Plato, care about the humanities or go on sabbaticals. I do however make more by March 1st than the average college professor makes in the entire year with just my little old bachelors degree from a state school. So while I'll don't have easy access to co-ed's with daddy issues - at least I rest easy that I'm not so out of touch with reality that I defend the scumbags at Penn State.