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That's a 1 seed versus an 8 seed.

Extrapolate - top 4 team versus a 28-32 team and the differential was almost 50.

KSU had 10 points in the 1st half.

Question - Why hasn't the women's game gotten better after the first dozen teams? You figure the free boat through college would be enough enticement.
 
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Awful stuff.......how can you be a fan when you can't get excited until the Sweet 16 and maybe even the Elite 8? I mean I hope they win and will root for them but cannot watch that stuff until they play Stanford.....the rest is awful basketball yet they'll tell you that your son should watch it because that's how you're supposed to play? Funny stuff..............
 

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Upsets this tournament (women):

1st round-
#13 Marist def #4 Georgia
#11 Gonzaga def #6 Rutgers
#11 Kansas def #6 Nebraska

2nd round-
#11 Gonzaga def #3 Miami

There were a couple near-upsets as #7 Louisville lost to #2 Maryland by 2 and #7 Green Bay lost by 3 to #2 Kentucky

UConn was in a zone mentally last night. The defense was stifling and the players were all on the same page offensively. Geno's always been one of the best at preparing his team mentally for the post-season.
 

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Upsets this tournament (women):

1st round-
#13 Marist def #4 Georgia
#11 Gonzaga def #6 Rutgers
#11 Kansas def #6 Nebraska

2nd round-
#11 Gonzaga def #3 Miami

There were a couple near-upsets as #7 Louisville lost to #2 Maryland by 2 and #7 Green Bay lost by 3 to #2 Kentucky

UConn was in a zone mentally last night. The defense was stifling and the players were all on the same page offensively. Geno's always been one of the best at preparing his team mentally for the post-season.

Sorry, but you have to throw out the Gonzaga "upsets." Why did they win? THEY'RE PLAYING ON THEIR HOME FLOOR AS AN 11 SEED!

The women's tournament is absurd for many reasons, but this is the worst of them all. Clinging to possible ticket sales by skewing the competitive landscape - at least the men's tourney does this with only the higher seeds, which has some reward level to it (not that I don't hate the pods with a passion, too).
 

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I'm sure if everyone thinks really hard they can come up with any number of reasons that women's basketball sucks but that doesn't change the facts that Geno has done an outstanding job of coaching this year and the women have earned respect. To denigrate their dominant win because you don't like women's hoops is small minded.
 
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To denigrate their dominant win because you don't like women's hoops is small minded.
No doubt. It's not my thing, but many things that are wonderful are not.
Nan - question remains - why does it seem like, given the traction you'd have expected over the last 15 years of UConn-Tenn national coverage, there is such a huge drop off of talent after the first dozen or so teams?

No matter what kind of "zone" Uconn was in, the other team had 10 points at the half and got beat by 50. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that KSU literally should not be in the same league with UConn. They are equivalent to a DII team.

I don't get it. 150 million females in this country. National television audience. Millions of young girls playing youth sports.

Figure 12 women per team, top 20 teams, so that means that there are only 240 women in the country who can compete at a high level in college? It's bizarre to me given that it's a free ride if you're good.

Of course, I have this silly notion in my head that women don't like sports and physical competition nearly as much as men, that it's biologically based on the evolution precedent that man-as-hunter and fighter created, and that government regulation to force "equal" opportunity for men and women in sports at the college level is a scatological affront to reason.

But that's just me.
 
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I'm sure if everyone thinks really hard they can come up with any number of reasons that women's basketball sucks but that doesn't change the facts that Geno has done an outstanding job of coaching this year and the women have earned respect. To denigrate their dominant win because you don't like women's hoops is small minded.

Not denigeating the team just the game. They play good basketball, but KSU was plain awful. Don't think anyone hates womens basketball it's just a testament to "t's not there yet". Not close.....the other upsets are typical mis-seeding and home courts....there are some but none of which from teams that xan even come close to making a FF run!!
 
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I don't know much about the state of female collegiate athletics, but there's probably a few contributing factors.

My guess is that maybe the sport has not been high profile long enough, and the pay isn't substantial enough to draw good, qualified people into coaching, at the middle/high-school and college levels. Clearly, there would be a normal distribution of athletic ability, but coaching could lead to the big disparity seen today.

It's not that there so few who are capable of performing and competing at a high level like UConn, but they aren't being coached up as well from since they began learning to sport. It would be interesting to see what percentage of D1 basketball players are from the top 50 highschools that produce the most players for both the men's and women's game.

I guess there are lower percentages of high school girls playing sports than guys. Maybe competing sports has also made basketball less popular with women relative to men. Men are split mainly along basketball, football, and baseball with basketball having a decent share, 2nd to football. Maybe the split among basketball, soccer, volleyball, and softball is not as favorable to basketball among women.

Is lack of depth/parity evident in many other women's sports at the collegiate level?
 

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No doubt. It's not my thing, but many things that are wonderful are not.
Nan - question remains - why does it seem like, given the traction you'd have expected over the last 15 years of UConn-Tenn national coverage, there is such a huge drop off of talent after the first dozen or so teams?

No matter what kind of "zone" Uconn was in, the other team had 10 points at the half and got beat by 50. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that KSU literally should not be in the same league with UConn. They are equivalent to a DII team.

I don't get it. 150 million females in this country. National television audience. Millions of young girls playing youth sports.

Figure 12 women per team, top 20 teams, so that means that there are only 240 women in the country who can compete at a high level in college? It's bizarre to me given that it's a free ride if you're good.

Of course, I have this silly notion in my head that women don't like sports and physical competition nearly as much as men, that it's biologically based on the evolution precedent that man-as-hunter and fighter created, and that government regulation to force "equal" opportunity for men and women in sports at the college level is a scatological affront to reason.

But that's just me.
Fifteen years ago, girls and women's basketball was just starting to become a sport young girls wanted to play on a major scale. Ironically, it was UConn's undefeated season in 1994-95 that drew the eyes of a national audience towards women's hoops and started an interest in developing good programs. But that takes time so, there just wasn't a lot of talent to be found back then. And the girls that were really, really good went to Tennessee, UConn, Stanford, Texas maybe Duke or North Carolina but never even considered a Seton Hall or Kansas State.

Even in the late 1990's-early 2000's, girls basketball was mostly taught by a gym teacher with free time or whatever parent was willing to do it. There were a handful of high school powerhouses and AAU clubs and you could name them all on two hands. It's much, much better these days as high schools are seeing the advantage of a decent girls teams (or maybe under pressure from parents) and AAU teams are seeing some profit can be made from girls hoops (there are Nike and Adidas sponsored teams) so more kids are being drawn into the sport. It's take a while, but we're starting to see more players that can succeed at Div I hoops. In the mid- to late-1990's, there used to be the top 20 kids were excellent then there was a significant drop off but now there are maybe 75-100 really, really good players. It's still not enough to feed 300+ college teams, though.

Another factor is that too many colleges just don't give a damn about its women's team (cough, Providence) and won't pay for a good coach or support the team with money for recruiting or other resources. Or old coaches that get canned elsewhere are just recycled to another failing program because no one wants to take time to investigate promising young coaches at the top high school and AAU programs. About 10 years ago, the Syracuse women had a God-awful coach. The team went to the AD's office and told them they wanted to get better and have better coaching. The AD told them they had what they had and "it's not like it's the men's program". (yes, the coach is gone, btw)

Although it may not seem like it, there have been more good teams. Some mid-majors are making noise this year (Marist, St. Bonaventure, Green Bay) and no team is guaranteed a league win any more (UConn upset by St. John's, ND upset by WVU, Tenn upset by Arkansas, etc). It doesn't happen enough, but it's getting there.
 

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Not denigeating the team just the game. They play good basketball, but KSU was plain awful. Don't think anyone hates womens basketball it's just a testament to "t's not there yet". Not close.....the other upsets are typical mis-seeding and home courts....there are some but none of which from teams that xan even come close to making a FF run!!
#13 Marist beat #3 Georgia in Tallahassee. The MAAC team had an RPI of 43 to Georgia's 25. What would you have seeded them?
#11 Kansas beat #6 Nebraska (24-8, 31 RPI) in Little Rock, AR. Kansas finished their Big 12 postseason 19-12 with a 8-10 Big 12 record and an RPI of 52. I'd call an 11 seed pretty generous.
 

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The competition isn't as deep as the men's side, but anything think they're jumping to conclusions based on one game? If every 1-seed beat every 8 by 40-50 points every year, sure, but this is one game.
 
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Obviously UConn has a huge advantage over just about every other womens program considering UConn is on TV every game. And at least 6,500 show up for every game. Sometimes they'll sell out Gample or the XL center if the game is big enough.
This gives Geno a huge recruiting advantage over most womens programs. Geno does know how to coach these kids, however.
I saw the 2nd half last nite. The game was a huge blowout, by then. It was fun watching these kids play without those obnoxious CPTV folks dunning you for money. Many of the womens fans love this. I can't understand why. Hopefully the contract will move elsewhere for the upcoming year.
 
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Upsets this tournament (women):

1st round-
#13 Marist def #4 Georgia
#11 Gonzaga def #6 Rutgers
#11 Kansas def #6 Nebraska

2nd round-
#11 Gonzaga def #3 Miami

There were a couple near-upsets as #7 Louisville lost to #2 Maryland by 2 and #7 Green Bay lost by 3 to #2 Kentucky

UConn was in a zone mentally last night. The defense was stifling and the players were all on the same page offensively. Geno's always been one of the best at preparing his team mentally for the post-season.


:rolleyes:
 

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Geno does know how to coach these kids, however.

Yeah, he does. Clearly the best coach on the women's side by a large margin. And he would be successful if he coached men as well. If he wanted the men's job I would give it to him.
 

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I forgot that men's college basketball developed to a point of competitive depth from the start of the sport in just 15 years.


Oh, wait. It didn't.
 

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I forgot there was a 64 team tournament at this point in your timeline above, ZLS. That's the point. If the women's tourney is 16 or 32, at this point, this becomes less of an issue. A 1 beating a bottom line team by 50 makes more sense.

You really have to turn the snark button off on occasion.
 
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State of the game my hiney.

Are you guys/gals saying you'd rather see uconn lose to ISU, rather than beating them 72-26???

I'm all for parity and competitiveness, at least in theory, but when it comes to uconn hoops, I'll take an annihilation. It's not as if both teams stunk- uconn was simply awesome, especially their defense.

I imagine the fans of the women's team will live 10 years longer than the men's fans, and not because of gender, but because their days on the boneyard will be spent in triumph and pleasure.
 
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Sorry, but you have to throw out the Gonzaga "upsets." Why did they win? THEY'RE PLAYING ON THEIR HOME FLOOR AS AN 11 SEED!

The women's tournament is absurd for many reasons, but this is the worst of them all. Clinging to possible ticket sales by skewing the competitive landscape - at least the men's tourney does this with only the higher seeds, which has some reward level to it (not that I don't hate the pods with a passion, too).
They do this with the NCAA hockey tournament too. If a team is hosting at a site, they MUST play there. That is a 100% set in stone rule, they cannot be placed in any other region for any reason. And sometimes, those sites are actually the home ice of a team. They've held regionals on North Dakota, Michigan, and Minnesota's home ice. This weekend, BU is playing Minnesota in St. Paul at the Xcel Energy Center, basically a home ice for them, despite it being the 8-9 game, and it normally being placed in the same region as the 1-16 game, which happens to be BC-Air Force, taking place in Worcester. But because Minnesota is hosting, the game takes place in St. Paul.
 
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I'm all for parity and competitiveness, at least in theory, but when it comes to uconn hoops, I'll take an annihilation.
But win by 50?
No thanks. I'd rather weed the garden than watch a 50 point win.
At what point is it an exhibition?
 
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But win by 50?
No thanks. I'd rather weed the garden than watch a 50 point win.
At what point is it an exhibition?

Cue huskynan's list of the last 50 women's college BB games decided by less than 10 points...so exciting!
 
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Did you actually watch the game, or is this just more underinformed male chest-beating?

1) It's a new NCAA record, not a typical result.
2) The UConn men could learn a few things from watching the UConn women play defense.

I was there. It was an impressive performance.
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Did you actually watch the game, or is this just more underinformed male chest-beating?

1) It's a new NCAA record, not a typical result.
2) The UConn men could learn a few things from watching the UConn women play defense.

I was there. It was an impressive performance.
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You probably think the women's team could give the men's team a run for their money
 
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