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[buggsy]

This stuff is similar to a Providence fan crowing about beating UConn in a season where they don't make the NIT.

Agreed. Upper tier teams do sh&t the bed every once in a while and lose against a team they are not supposed to.

Middling teams DO NOT beat the 4th ranked team in a BCS Sugar Bowl....wins 11 games and finish the season ranked #13 in both the AP and the coaches poll.

Middling teams do not start the season off in the top 10....and possibly top 5 as Louisville will.

If you think Louisville is middling...you are clueless. Absolutely clueless.

Most importantly, teams like FSU and Clemson do not think Louisville is middling....but they do think UCONN (and RU) are.

That is why the ACC is more stable with their addition then had they added UCONN.

 

[upstater]

Here was my question :


This was your answer :


You mentioned initially that :



If you define "fan support" by pure attendance I don't have that much of an issue with your claims (although it sounds like it's not top 25 anymore) but if you're now talking top 10 or top 25 in licensing then I'll need to see the numbers to prove that.

I was obviously discussing attendance. BECAUSE I was responding to your post on attendance in the Big East. Which makes this whole conversation bizarre since I was responding to YOU. Licensing had nothing to do with it until you brought it up. But since you did--I linked to UConn's licensing figures. UConn is generating licensing amounts which place it square in the middle of the BCS conferences even though it earns barely ANYTHING from conference payouts. Which should tell you that UConn INSIDE a BCS conference (i.e. apples to apples comparison) is generating lots of revenue.

 

[upstater]

Agreed. Upper tier teams do sh&t the bed every once in a while and lose against a team they are not supposed to.

Middling teams DO NOT beat the 4th ranked team in a BCS Sugar Bowl....wins 11 games and finish the season ranked #13 in both the AP and the coaches poll.

Middling teams do not start the season off in the top 10....and possibly top 5 as Louisville will.

If you think Louisville is middling...you are clueless. Absolutely clueless.

Most importantly, teams like FSU and Clemson do not think Louisville is middling....but they do think UCONN (and RU) are.

That is why the ACC is more stable with their addition then had they added UCONN.

Is Kansas a middling team? Utah? Boise? TCU?

 

[CL82]

Yes, the main thing I'd pick out from my post is the social media aspect. Well done.

Thanks!

 

[woomba]

I was obviously discussing attendance. BECAUSE I was responding to your post on attendance in the Big East. Which makes this whole conversation bizarre since I was responding to YOU. Licensing had nothing to do with it until you brought it up. But since you did--I linked to UConn's licensing figures. UConn is generating licensing amounts which place it square in the middle of the BCS conferences even though it earns barely ANYTHING from conference payouts. Which should tell you that UConn INSIDE a BCS conference (i.e. apples to apples comparison) is generating lots of revenue.

Unngh - fine. Let's just drop it from a misunderstanding of posts. We're now rehashing the same material from another thread.

 

[whaler11]

ATTENDANCE IS BETTER.

You posted numbers all the way back to 1992. The three lowest seasons are 2010, 2011 and you ignored 2013.

2012 coming off an NC is still below the 90s average.

Are you dim? Seriously how can you possibly say that attendance is better when it's clearly lower? You posted the lower numbers yourself and that doesn't even correct for Gampel's capacity being higher.

Your conclusion is demonstrably false by data you provided.

 

[UPitt]

ATTENDANCE IS BETTER.

Not so much. Attendance is strongly influenced by stadium and arena size. Using attendance only, one could argue that Syracuse and Louisville have nearly twice the basketball fan support of Uconn. Do you believe that to be true? Do you really believe that Duke has the 42nd best fan support for basketball, behind schools like Dayton and San Diego State? Or that Creighton really has the 6th most fan support? As for Uconn, do you really think that fan support has decreased throughout the years?

Fan support is very hard to measure and no single metric will define fan support. I agree that licensing dollars are not an exact science either, but a combination of licensing, donations, and TV ratings would provide a more accurate comparison of fan support than that of basketball attendance.

 

[whaler11]

In 1992 Gampel held 8,241. UConn sold out every game at GP. If the capacity was higher then the gap would be even higher in the past.

The smallest crowd in Hartford was for Wake in the ACC challenge which was a separate ticket. It drew 13,169. Every other game in Hartford drew >16,000 even CCSU, Hartford, Furman and Yale.

In 2011 coming of an NC. UConn drew a crowd of 10,726 for Maine. 11,397 for Coppin St.

In 2010 ranked number 4 they drew 11,255 for Harvard and 12,599 for USF. Ranked 14th they got 14,622 for Marquette.

Can you answer a simple question Upstater. Is 16,000>11,000? Maybe that is your issue, you think that is a false statement?

 

[upstater]

Not so much. Attendance is strongly influenced by stadium and arena size. Using attendance only, one could argue that Syracuse and Louisville have nearly twice the basketball fan support of Uconn. Do you believe that to be true? Do you really believe that Duke has the 42nd best fan support for basketball, behind schools like Dayton and San Diego State? Or that Creighton really has the 6th most fan support? As for Uconn, do you really think that fan support has decreased throughout the years?

Fan support is very hard to measure and no single metric will define fan support. I agree that licensing dollars are not an exact science either, but a combination of licensing, donations, and TV ratings would provide a more accurate comparison of fan support than that of basketball attendance.

"Attendance was better." That means the attendance number was higher in previous years. Nothing more to read into it. As for your other question about attendance and support, yes, I do believe your supposition. Yes, Creighton has great support when it comes to fans showing up at the arena. There's no way to argue that it doesn't. And yes, a small venue can hurt Duke, but hey! Duke isn't selling out the arena these days like they used to, so I'm not sure there's an argument there. Of course, UConn can sell out the arena for the big games too, but for the smaller games? It's like Duke. So: great for Pitt, great for Creighton. Of course, there are other factors, like ticket prices, donations for seats, freebies (heck, Rutgers gives 40% of tix in freebies), etc. But as for attendance, the numbers are what they are. Hard to argue against them.

These are not the only factors of support. There's donations, there's TV ratings, licensing, etc. Hey, there are other sports which might be considered to support the ADs revenues--that too counts.

Of course I agree that attendance, revenue, TV ratings, licensing, donations, all of it should be compared.

 

[upstater]

You posted numbers all the way back to 1992. The three lowest seasons are 2010, 2011 and you ignored 2013.

NCAA doesn't list 2013 attendance.

2012 coming off an NC is still below the 90s average.

And?

Are you dim? Seriously how can you possibly say that attendance is better when it's clearly lower? You posted the lower numbers yourself and that doesn't even correct for Gampel's capacity being higher.

Your conclusion is demonstrably false by data you provided.

Here you are changing the whole discussion again because it's not going your way.

I stated: the height of UConn's attendance was at the midpoint of the 2000s, above what it was in the 1990s.

I then stated, after 2008, UConn's attendance dropped precipitously (as it has in many top places).

None of what you wrote contradicts what I've said.

And now you're trying to change the goalposts. YET AGAIN

 

[whaler11]

But as for attendance, the numbers are what they are. Hard to argue against them.

Yet here we are a few hundred posts in when you are doing exactly that. Claiming smaller numbers are better.

 

[whaler11]

Here you are changing the whole discussion again because it's not going your way.

I stated: the height of UConn's attendance was at the midpoint of the 2000s, above what it was in the 1990s.

I then stated, after 2008, UConn's attendance dropped precipitously (as it has in many top places).

None of what you wrote contradicts what I've said.

And now you're trying to change the goalposts. YET AGAIN

You stated that attendance today is better than it was in the 90s. You stated the last 7 years specifically which are actually the lowest 7 year run.

Do I really need to quote those for you?

You also are ignoring that the mid 2000s had 2.000 extra seats at Gampel which could raise the average by 1,000.

But keep yapping you just prove yourself more foolish.

 

[upstater]

In 1992 Gampel held 8,241. UConn sold out every game at GP. If the capacity was higher then the gap would be even higher in the past.

The smallest crowd in Hartford was for Wake in the ACC challenge which was a separate ticket. It drew 13,169. Every other game in Hartford drew >16,000 even CCSU, Hartford, Furman and Yale.

In 2011 coming of an NC. UConn drew a crowd of 10,726 for Maine. 11,397 for Coppin St.

In 2010 ranked number 4 they drew 11,255 for Harvard and 12,599 for USF. Ranked 14th they got 14,622 for Marquette.

Can you answer a simple question Upstater. Is 16,000>11,000? Maybe that is your issue, you think that is a false statement?

I'll start off with the total nonsense first: If UConn averaged 16k in Hartford back then and 11k in Gampel, it's total average would be at least 14k since 2/3rds of the games were at HCC. But it never happened.

Now, without a doubt, increased capacity at Gampel increased attendance. That's obvious. The question is by how much.

Now, let's pretend the 2k gain in seats props the numbers in the early to mid 2000s and makes them look great compared to the 1990s, when more capacity was utilized.

But, when you look at the actual average attendance, it FELL after Gampel was expanded. In 1997 (first season of expanded Gampel), tix dropped from 12,911 to 12,578. They increased seating by 2k, and lost an average of 450 fans.

A year later (with the increased capacity) tix went to 13,007. So, a net gain of almost 100 tix. In the first two years after the expansion of Gampel in the late 1990s, the average attendance number dropped.

I will grant that you're right that the expansion of Gampel contributed to the increased attendance in the early and mid 2000s. I don't think the impact is nearly as pronounced as you assume though. Increased capacity did not lead to increased attendance in 1997 and 1998.

 

[upstater]

Yet here we are a few hundred posts in when you are doing exactly that. Claiming smaller numbers are better.

I stuck to the numbers. A couple of you are arguing that the higher numbers are lower.

 

[whaler11]

YES.

Keep making a fool of yourself.

I will prove to you that you don't know what TF you are talking about.

Please continue this line of inquiry, because I guarantee you that you will come out looking like a ridiculous fool. I dare you. Keep up with this 1980s and 1990s was better than the last 7 years stuff.

Your data all in:

Average of 90s: 12850
Average of 7 seven years with expanded Gampel: 11985

Oh I feel like such a ridiculous fool. Especially since the HCC numbers are even a bigger gap.

Good stuff upstater. Way to fight this one to the death even when you were wrong from word one.

 

[upstater]

Your data all in:

Average of 90s: 12850
Average of 7 seven years with expanded Gampel: 11985

Oh I feel like such a ridiculous fool. Especially since the HCC numbers are even a bigger gap.

Good stuff upstater. Way to fight this one to the death even when you were wrong from word one.

Any 7 years or care to be more specific?

 

[whaler11]

Its pretty simple. For all intents and purposes UConn sold out the 1992 season. This year they couldn't sell out for Louisville and Syracuse and did things like sell Villanova tickets for $10.

Yet it's better in your demented mind.

 

[whaler11]

Any 7 years or care to be more specific?

The last 7 years like you said. That's the number with 2013 in. It's still higher in the 90s if you ignore 2013 and go back 8 years but the gap is smaller.

The three lowest season back to 1988-89 are 3 of the last 4.

 

[upstater]

You stated that attendance today is better than it was in the 90s. You stated the last 7 years specifically which are actually the lowest 7 year run.

Do I really need to quote those for you?

You also are ignoring that the mid 2000s had 2.000 extra seats at Gampel which could raise the average by 1,000.

But keep yapping you just prove yourself more foolish.

Yes, get the quote.

 

[whaler11]

Yes, get the quote.

Already did chief. Scroll up.

 

[upstater]

Already did chief. Scroll up.

I see it now. I definitely screwed that up. And, I don't know why I wrote that since it made no sense in context of what I wrote earlier.

This is what I wrote just a few posts before: "UConn is top 25 in fan support now, used to be top 15 until 2008. When it comes to total fans (i.e. as a road draw) UConn is top 10."

I well know the numbers dropped in 2008. I've just been through this last week. I even copied and pasted my old post with the numbers over 20 years, so I am well aware that the numbers are way down after the financial crisis.

I don't know why I wrote that, and if that little thing is what we've been arguing about now for many pages, it's all my fault.

I do think though that before that comment and before it, I said repeatedly that the last 5 (not 7) years are way down. I wrote from the start that the high water mark for attendance for Uconn was 2006 when they hit 14k average for the first time.

I honestly have no idea why I even wrote 7. Why the heck 7? No context, it makes no sense.

My apologies.

 

[upstater]

Its pretty simple. For all intents and purposes UConn sold out the 1992 season. This year they couldn't sell out for Louisville and Syracuse and did things like sell Villanova tickets for $10.

Yet it's better in your demented mind.

Anyone reading this board knows I never said this year had great attendance.

 

[hthusky74]

I see it now. I definitely screwed that up. And, I don't know why I wrote that since it made no sense in context of what I wrote earlier.

This is what I wrote just a few posts before: "UConn is top 25 in fan support now, used to be top 15 until 2008. When it comes to total fans (i.e. as a road draw) UConn is top 10."

I well know the numbers dropped in 2008. I've just been through this last week. I even copied and pasted my old post with the numbers over 20 years, so I am well aware that the numbers are way down after the financial crisis.

I don't know why I wrote that, and if that little thing is what we've been arguing about now for many pages, it's all my fault.

I do think though that before that comment and before it, I said repeatedly that the last 5 (not 7) years are way down. I wrote from the start that the high water mark for attendance for Uconn was 2006 when they hit 14k average for the first time.

I honestly have no idea why I even wrote 7. Why the heck 7? No context, it makes no sense.

My apologies.

Now that's a good boy. Before you go off on people, take a deep breath and think about what they said, then take another deep breath and think about what you are going to say.

 

[upstater]

Now that's a good boy. Before you go off on people, take a deep breath and think about what they said, then take another deep breath and think about what you are going to say.

Here's my non-apology. I went off on you because Tennesee was in my top tier and Boise wasn't. As for whaler, he did read my posts several times stating attendance fell off in 2008. If only my mistake (or inconsistency, or contradiction, etc.) were brought up in that light earlier, we could have saved anyone the trouble.

 

[CTMike]

I can't believe I've read this entire thread.

 

[whaler11]

Here's my non-apology. I went off on you because Tennesee was in my top tier and Boise wasn't. As for whaler, he did read my posts several times stating attendance fell off in 2008. If only my mistake (or inconsistency, or contradiction, etc.) were brought up in that light earlier, we could have saved anyone the trouble.

I'll take a look at it for fun tomorrow but I think the overall average attendance doesn't really get at the issue due to the mix of Hartford/Campus games.

Without looking if Gampel had higher capacity in the early 90's I can almost guarantee attendance would have peaked around 1992.

The novelty of Gampel plus 'Huskymania' has not really been replicated since then. The Connecticut Mutual Classic would be jammed for Furman back in those days. That doesn't happen now.

 

[whaler11]

I can't believe I've read this entire thread.

Imagine how bad you'd feel if you contributed.

 

[noeynox]

This was husky mania. Its been a long time since we had this atmosphere. I remember being in Gampel during the Donyell era when PC had Mike Smith and Rob Phelps. It was loud in there my hands were buzzing it seemed.

 

[Hoophound]

I think our failure to have more serious UCONN fans in our administration has hurt us. Right now, I want an AD or President that bleeds blue. We need someone in there that is desperate to get us in a power conference because he/she feels physically ill over this situation like we do. Luck and Jurich have passion for their schools.

A little of the passion and creativity that HFD talks about is needed here. Do we have anyone out there that we can "bring home" to get the job done?

 

[Srqhusky]

It's not all the fans fault coaches fault or ad fault. Out conference was disbanded when we rejected a 1.2 billion dollar deal I think it was. It was a perfectly good conference and we are a on the fence team.