You wonder what kind of effect this is going to have on recruiting. Unfortunately, homophobia is far too widespread in this country, and there are going to be a great number of families not comfortable sending their kid to a school this vocal about the embracing of gays.
I imagine it's going to be a long time before gays feel accepted in the athletic community. You have to start somewhere, though.
Marshall and Ambrosie said they don't know if anyone currently on the team is gay and don't really care.
I guess that wasn't on the recruiting questionnaire.
I'd like to think we can keep this thread light hearted.
Like when the 1st NFL player came out of the closet after retirement. And it turns out he played for the Packers. No crap. Look it up.
But, really, it's not just about "phobia" of gays, is it?
I mean, if you're a gay man, that means that you are attracted to men. Would it be unfair of the non-gay players to insist that they are allowed to change and shower in private?
Is it substantially different than women being asked to undress/shower around heterosexual men?
It's a fair question, and one that deserves to be considered, and not dismissed.
My problem with the gay movement is not that it wants equal rights - I'm buying that, and I support it.
My problem is that some in that movement don't just want equal rights - they want to be normalized, and treated as if they were equivalent to heterosexuals. Sorry. Not equivalent. Not better or worse, just not equivalent.
It's like the movie Brokeback mountain. Some gay guy gave me crap once because I said I hadn't see it nor was I going to see it, as I found the concept of two men getting it on to be repulsive. He called me some awful thing (bigot or something).
So I asked him, "it's not enough that I completely support equal rights for you? I have to like it as well? It's like I support a man's right to practice religion - does that mean I have to like his religion?"
Wow. There's a ton of comments on this link.
I'd like to think we can keep this thread light hearted.
Like when the 1st NFL player came out of the closet after retirement. And it turns out he played for the Packers. No crap. Look it up.
But, really, it's not just about "phobia" of gays, is it?
I mean, if you're a gay man, that means that you are attracted to men. Would it be unfair of the non-gay players to insist that they are allowed to change and shower in private?
Is it substantially different than women being asked to undress/shower around heterosexual men?
It's a fair question, and one that deserves to be considered, and not dismissed.
My problem with the gay movement is not that it wants equal rights - I'm buying that, and I support it.
My problem is that some in that movement don't just want equal rights - they want to be normalized, and treated as if they were equivalent to heterosexuals. Sorry. Not equivalent. Not better or worse, just not equivalent.
It's like the movie Brokeback mountain. Some gay guy gave me crap once because I said I hadn't see it nor was I going to see it, as I found the concept of two men getting it on to be repulsive. He called me some awful thing (bigot or something).
So I asked him, "it's not enough that I completely support equal rights for you? I have to like it as well? It's like I support a man's right to practice religion - does that mean I have to like his religion?"
It's like the movie Brokeback mountain. Some gay guy gave me crap once because I said I hadn't see it nor was I going to see it, as I found the concept of two men getting it on to be repulsive. He called me some awful thing (bigot or something).
In all seriousness for just a moment, one guy I know was hired by a group working on the gay marriage legislation repeal battle in Maine to conduct a survey to design one of the campaigns. It is not really important which side he was working for, but he concluded that by far the biggest reason people oppose gay rights has nothing to do with traditonal marriage, nothing to do with fear that children would be harmed being raised by two men or two women, nothing to do with the fact that it would open the door to human-ice cream marriage (as 1 North Carolina preacher predicted recently). By far, the dominant reason people opposed gay marriage was exactly what Frank said...they found the concept of 2 men getting it on repulsive...both sides knew that by the way and if you go back and look at the anti-gay marriage campaign, that was a huge component of their program. And it worked.
Did the women mind when you looked at their and wahoosies?We had co-ed showers at Boston U.