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UConn - Creighton post game thread - Big East Champions!

Bald Husky said:
Bascoe was out of control. She knocked down two of our players, not to mention she was the one who rolled over Paiges leg the first time they played.
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Um, doesn't she play for Villanova?
 
Ralph said:
you can't say fatigue for KK and Chen. They don't play 40 minutes, or anywhere near it. They get their breaks during the games. Paige and Sarah, not so much.
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20 minutes at the pace they play is like 40 minutes for a player on any other team. 3 games in 3 days at high speed is a recipe for tired legs. If you watched them carefully, you could see Chen had a higher dribble than normal and was palming the ball all the time. KK, who always rushes into trouble had her head down not seeing the traffic ahead on offense and on defense was getting crossed up by the Creighton speedy guards.
 
Since that foul is a topic now, I have to agree it wasn't a foul on Ice. The replay made this really clear, and the refs got this one right. But what really stands out is how Molly was flattened by it. It's not like Ice gave her a hip check. It's that Mollly ran full force into a very solid person. I think this shows two things: 1) Ice is really strong, and 2) Molly was totally focused on defending and must have run into Ice at top speed. I am equally impressed by both of them.

Molly has been a mainstay at Creighton for 4 [?] seasons now and they will miss her when she moves on. In fact, Creighton is losing 7 seniors, I think. I hope Flan can find talented players to take their places, since the BE would be diminished by not having a strong Creighton team. And he is a great coach.
 
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A bit sooner than 7:00 left in Q3, while Fanta was blathering about Geno’s hair or something, the camera showed Geno giving Jana the business. All I could make out was I don’t understand. Anyone see on the court what he was mad about?
 
Congrats to Jana for not leading the team in PFs. (Of course, playing only 10 minutes might have been a factor.) But it was refreshing to see that on this team with the 3-headed scoring monster, Jana hit the first two baskets in the game. In fact, when it was 6-0, all our scoring was by Jana and Chen.
 
Bone Dog said:
Since that foul is a topic now, I have to agree it wasn't a foul on Ice. The replay made this really clear, and the refs got this one right.
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Huh????
The refs were 100% wrong in blowing the whistle.
And in your praise of Molly, didn't she recover sufficiently to score the next Creighton basket via a layup?
 
Zarathustra said:
Thanks for the comment about three games in three days... it helps to
explain all those UCONN turnovers, etc. I agree about that foul on
ICE... it went bad for MOLLY M. when MOLLY RAN INTO "THAT BLOCK (screen)
OF ICE! " It was a funny game with fouls called and not called.
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Yeah, it sure was a funny game. UCONN outscored Creighton by only FOUR points after the 1st period.
It looked like the refs were calling make- up fouls with erratic whistles. Both teams had the same amount of fouls, but UCONN shot ten more free throws.
 
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Bone Dog said:
Since that foul is a topic now, I have to agree it wasn't a foul on Ice. The replay made this really clear, and the refs got this one right. But what really stands out is how Molly was flattened by it. It's not like Ice gave her a hip check. It's that Mollly ran full force into a very solid person. I think this shows two things: 1) Ice is really strong, and 2) Molly was totally focused on defending and must have run into Ice at top speed. I am equally impressed by both of them.

Molly has been a mainstay at Creighton for 4 [?] seasons now and they will miss her when she moves on. In fact, Creighton is losing 7 seniors, I think. I hope Flan can find talented players to take their places, since the BE would be diminished by not having a strong Creighton team. And he is a great coach.
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I think there was probably a 3rd element to Mogensen getting creamed on Ice's screen, and that is that she was probably not warned by a teammate prior to crashing into Ice.
By the way, Mogensen has always been a fierce competitor, and I was relieved that she was uninjured on the play.
 
Bald Husky said:
Joe is the worst, Maj is the best, so I guess it evens out.
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Bone Dog, I completely agree with your assessment of Maj. Maj also works WNBA games and does a great job there also.
Maj's MO is to let teams play, but also is ready to blow the whistle when a player is doing something to gain an unfair advantage (for example, a defender keeping a hand on the ball handler's hip in order to stay in front of them). I also love that she is NOT demonstrative (like Joe Vaszily, Dee Kantner and a couple of others) when making a charging, blocking or traveling call. I hope she works the same Region that UConn is in once the tournament starts.
 
Centerstream said:
My point is that I was pointing out how experienced Creighton's two leading (season) scorers are, which was the point of the post I was replying to (Creighton's experience).
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As opposed to other teams like ND who have experienced scorers?
 
DefenseBB said:
As opposed to other teams like ND who have experienced scorers?
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The post I replied to was discussing Creighton's experience, you know, one of the two teams being discussed in this thread. WTH do the Golden Domers have to do with this thread????
I gotta look for a specific button now...
 
Cornell Lt said:
I don't know, but for god sakes please make that cup of coffee decaf next time
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I like KKs energy. Her speed can’t be taught; she brings something different, which is exactly what you want when someone enters the game.
 
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YKCornelius said:
Bone Dog, I completely agree with your assessment of Maj. Maj also works WNBA games and does a great job there also.
Maj's MO is to let teams play, but also is ready to blow the whistle when a player is doing something to gain an unfair advantage (for example, a defender keeping a hand on the ball handler's hip in order to stay in front of them). I also love that she is NOT demonstrative (like Joe Vaszily, Dee Kantner and a couple of others) when making a charging, blocking or traveling call. I hope she works the same Region that UConn is in once the tournament starts.
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Dee was, I believe, reffing the SEC championship game.

Re: refs - there are what coaches/coordinators consider elite officials. They're brought in for top games whenever possible.

Those top refs know what they have to do to keep sharp. Speaking with Lisa Mattingly, she mentioned 1) Get a flight out the night after a game, if possible. 2) Get to the hotel and nap. 3) Review game tape & check in with your crew. 4) Repeat across the year.
 
Since we’re on officiating, are the refs required to review their games. If not, then they should be required by the NCAA to do so.
 
DEFCONN1 said:
Since we’re on officiating, are the refs required to review their games. If not, then they should be required by the NCAA to do so.
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Doubtful. It is not high-paying job and they are going from game-to-game. There are supervisors who I think review the games and/or flag any issues. or questions to them.
 
Vowelguy said:
Doubtful. It is not high-paying job and they are going from game-to-game. There are supervisors who I think review the games and/or flag any issues. or questions to them.
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According to the web, they do pretty good.

NCAA women's college basketball referees typically earn between $800 and $3,000 per game. The exact amount depends on the conference and level of competition.
 
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Vowelguy said:
Doubtful. It is not high-paying job and they are going from game-to-game. There are supervisors who I think review the games and/or flag any issues. or questions to them.
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DEFCONN1 said:
Since we’re on officiating, are the refs required to review their games. If not, then they should be required by the NCAA to do so.
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Remember: The refs are independent contractors. They abide by the expectations of the individual conference supervisors. They don't come under the auspices of the NCAA until the NCAA tourney.

And yes, they each get a copy of the game (back in the day it was a dvd.) Usually the Conference observer will review it with them and the lead ref (i think) submits a game report.

I do this every few years, but here are some articles on officiating. They're dated, now, but do give some background for those who are interested:

Making the Calls: The World of Referees​

Coaches and Officials: Reaching Across the Divide – July 2006​

Earning Their Stripes: Officials In Training – October 2007​

OFFICIATING UNDER REVIEW: Coaches, Conferences and the NCAA Working to Collaborate​

 
VaConnFan11 said:
According to the web, they do pretty good.

NCAA women's college basketball referees typically earn between $800 and $3,000 per game. The exact amount depends on the conference and level of competition.
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After how many years working their way up the ladder?

They also pay for their own insurance, physical training and rule/game review, etc.

And consider how much travel they do - not a gig for the faint of heart. Tough on the body and family.
 
Funny how some folks here see so many problems with the team's play in this game (and every game.) What I see is a fine team running the table in the BE and headed into the Big Dance with 4 of the 6 players who played in the final four last year. Paige, KK, Ash, and Ice are still here, and each is playing better than before. Adding Sarah, Azzi, Kaitlyn, Jana, and Aubrey says to me that this team is better, and good enough to take it all. Can't wait.
 
Vowelguy said:
Doubtful. It is not high-paying job and they are going from game-to-game. There are supervisors who I think review the games and/or flag any issues. or questions to them.
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Top officials who work conference games and get selected for big regular season games along with conference and NCAA tournaments can make anywhere from $100K to even $200K a year. Not bad for 6 months work.
 
Kat said:
Funny how some folks here see so many problems with the team's play in this game (and every game.) What I see is a fine team running the table in the BE and headed into the Big Dance with 4 of the 6 players who played in the final four last year. Paige, KK, Ash, and Ice are still here, and each is playing better than before. Adding Sarah, Azzi, Kaitlyn, Jana, and Aubrey says to me that this team is better, and good enough to take it all. Can't wait.
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I think what has some people "worried" is the "win the 1st quarter then play even the rest of the game" like last night or "win the 1st half then play the rest of the game even" M.O. This has happened on more than one occasion. I think most people would feel a lot better if UConn was adding to the lead in the 3rd quarter against the better teams aka "Putting them way".

I do think fatigue played a big part for the play of both teams last night making the second half almost unwatchable.
 
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