UConn Coppin State thoughts

[August_West]

Nope. whomp whomp.

Also, I'd wager that team is much better, and that this year's team at best matches their post season performance.

Which year did we lose to St Bonnies at home.

 

[RichZ]

Just curious @RichZ Is the thread title a copyright infringement?

I'm 75. The expression was in frequent use among my peers when I was like 11 or 12. So I kinda think it predates the songs. movies and other such nonsense.

 

[tzznandrew]

Which year did we lose to St Bonnies at home.

01-02 with Caron. They lost by 18. lol.

 

[BlueMAB]

Does the coach make the schedule? I always wonder how the schedule is constructed. I have to imagine Hurley has some say in that but I don't think he's responsible for making the schedule.

That wasn't my point.

The hand-wringing on this board over the schedule is tiresome. It's not ideal, as we've heard from one of the few who would know, this season was a blip. There's nothing we can do about it. There's nothing the players or staff can do about it. We haven't hit Thanksgiving yet, and people are setting themselves up for the "I told you so"s on Selection Sunday.

 

[Get a Job]

I don’t know. These games are like playing the walk ons in a scrimmage. I know it is different, but the son of a friend played football at a d1 school. His sophomore year they started 3-0 playing an FCS game, a horrible Army team and another really bad MAC team. Then they started their conference games…and got absolutely clobbered by North Carolina or somebody. They eventually settled down and had a decent season, but his view was that the first 3 games did nothing but make them over confident and sloppy. Throws they got away with playing Army suddenly the better teams turned into interceptions, with the qb saying where did he come from? Guys that went down on a not great tackle against Maine, are going for an extra 4-5 yards w hen they played league teams, 15 when they played Florida State who was still a power then.
It is fine to play 1-2 cupcakes to work out the kinks early, but when that’s all you play, it is bad for the team, bad for the fans who shell out cash for tickets, and in the event that the regular season goes south, it hurts you for the tournament.

And pal, no problem playing CCSU. We should do it every year to open the season. And no problem playing an HBCU, but for heaven’s sake spread them out and add some A10, American, maybe a mid-level B10 or ACC even to the mix.

Well said. It's fine to play 2 or 3 terrible teams, but anyone defending having 6 opponents ranked 275+ on the schedule is either crazy or has some other agenda (most likely just being contrarian).

 

[KingAG]

A10 and AAC teams aren't just going to take "buy" games against us. They'll want H/H, and no not worth it. If your all talking a HIGH quality opponent that doesn't damage our tournament chances but provides a litmus test, then yes im all for it(ACC, Big Ten, SEC, Pac 12, Gonzaga). But if you think Dartmouth or New Hampshire, or Yale who Seton hall just destroyed will prepare us that much better for Auburn then the cupcakes we've played I think you are reaching just to reach. These H/H with power programs are scheduled years out. With our return to prominence and our now prestigious conference affiliation, we'll have our big time game OOC in the very near future. UConn not being apart of the Champions Classic has always been a joke. But we're headed back that way

 

[Get a Job]

A10 and AAC teams aren't just going to take "buy" games against us. They'll want H/H, and no not worth it. If your all talking a HIGH quality opponent that doesn't damage our tournament chances but provides a litmus test, then yes im all for it(ACC, Big Ten, SEC, Pac 12, Gonzaga). But if you think Dartmouth or New Hampshire, or Yale who Seton hall just destroyed will prepare us that much better for Auburn then the cupcakes we've played I think you are reaching just to reach. These H/H with power programs are scheduled years out. With our return to prominence and our now prestigious conference affiliation, we'll have our big time game OOC in the very near future. UConn not being apart of the Champions Classic has always been a joke. But we're headed back that way

If you could choose between this year's schedule, and one with 6 cupcakes against teams ranked 200-250, which would you choose?

 

[KingAG]

If you could choose between this year's schedule, and one with 6 cupcakes against teams ranked 200-250, which would you choose?

I wouldn't care. It's splitting hairs. I don't think a teams season and/or potential is affected by playing slightly better cupcakes. If the argument is playing AAC or A10 teams then cool, as long as it isn't a H/H. The only part of this argument that makes any sense to me is the desire to play some of the other big boys around the country. That benefits our experience and our profile. Arguing between Dartmouth and Coppin State is hilarious to me, and I think we're just bored

 

[bendm]

Playing the AAC usually means reciprocal games

outside of memphis i disagree. those schools are in no position to be demanding anything and if they do, screw em their loss.

i was also specifically responding to someone who brought up the aac/a 10. i'm not being that picky i just want warn ups ranked between ~150-225 not bottom 300. read the rest of the thread

 

[bendm]

Arguing between Dartmouth and Coppin State is hilarious to me, and I think we're just bored

laugh it up but the fans sitting at home not buying tickets dont think it's funny. guaranteed better turnout against yale or vermont or GW etc then coppin state or binghampton etc. and the games themselves wouldnt be absolute jokes. you seem to have forgotten ticket sales are important to BE schools.

 

[KingAG]

laugh it up but the fans sitting at home not buying tickets dont think it's funny. guaranteed better turnout against yale or vermont or GW etc then coppin state or binghampton etc. and the games themselves wouldnt be jokes.

CCSU was a sellout
Coppin St had a pretty decent turnout

Fans are not going to care if we go down to Atlantis and beat Auburn. In 3 weeks no one will even care to remember whether we played Coppin star or GW. NO ONE

 

[bendm]

CCSU was a sellout
Coppin St had a pretty decent turnout

Fans are not going to care if we go down to Atlantis and beat Auburn. In 3 weeks no one will even care to remember whether we played Coppin star or GW. NO ONE

1. the first game on campus should be a sell out no matter what and for a sub 300 team ccsu still makes enough sense as a local program with a high degree of familiarity
2. coppin had terrible turnout
3. do you have short term memory loss or something? ticket sales are ticket sales. the revenue adds up it's not forgotten.

 

[KingAG]

1. the first game on campus should be a sell out no matter what and for a sub 300 team ccsu still makes enough sense as a local program with a high degree of familiarity
2. coppin had terrible turnout
3. do you have short term memory loss or something? ticket sales are ticket sales. the revenue gets added together it's not forgotten.

I don’t have short term memory. I was there. It was a decent turnout for an early season mid major contest on a Football Sunday afternoon. We’re going to sell tickets. Idk why you think so many more fans are turning out for GW. Lmfaoo. Your out of your mind. You’re talking about casuals. If you want ticket sales, schedule Florida, Memphis, Cuse, Louisville, not GW. Stop making me laugh. The argument keeps changing. Is it ticket sales, or preparing us for better competition? What is it?

 

[bendm]

What is it?

both, with one usually a direct result of the other. changing my argument lol ok.

PS- 90% of fans are casual. not smart to pretend they dont matter.

 

[Get a Job]

I wouldn't care. It's splitting hairs. I don't think a teams season and/or potential is affected by playing slightly better cupcakes. If the argument is playing AAC or A10 teams then cool, as long as it isn't a H/H. The only part of this argument that makes any sense to me is the desire to play some of the other big boys around the country. That benefits our experience and our profile. Arguing between Dartmouth and Coppin State is hilarious to me, and I think we're just bored

I don't know what to tell you then. If you don't see the difference between those two scenarios, then you can't be reasoned with. I do agree, though, with your intimation that this whole topic isn't a huge deal. You're still wrong, though

 

[KingAG]

I don't know what to tell you then. If you don't see the difference between those two scenarios, then you can't be reasoned with. I do agree, though, with your intimation that this whole topic isn't a huge deal. You're still wrong, though

I don't think we disagree. I just don't see that there is a big enough risk/reward factor to actually call this an issue. If we didn't have St Bonnies and Battle4Atlantis coming up i'd agree. But we could legitimately end the year with a bunch of impressive wins. WAY more than enough with the big east schedule coming up. This was more of an issue in the AAC. Why tie up our H/H's with AAC/A10 level teams? What's really the difference between CCSU/Coppin and GW/Dartmouth. It's literally splitting hairs. And i've contributed to like 3 pages of it lol. They all suck, and we'd beat them all comfortably. Just enjoy the wins, and look forward to the marquee games.

 

[KingAG]

both, with one usually a direct result of the other. changing my argument lol ok.

PS- 90% of fans are casual. not smart to pretend they dont matter.

And casuals don't show up for GW and Yale.

 

[navery12]

I don't think we disagree. I just don't see that there is a big enough risk/reward factor to actually call this an issue. If we didn't have St Bonnies and Battle4Atlantis coming up i'd agree. But we could legitimately end the year with a bunch of impressive wins. WAY more than enough with the big east schedule coming up. This was more of an issue in the AAC. Why tie up our H/H's with AAC/A10 level teams? What's really the difference between CCSU/Coppin and GW/Dartmouth. It's literally splitting hairs. And i've contributed to like 3 pages of it lol. They all suck, and we'd beat them all comfortably. Just enjoy the wins, and look forward to the marquee games.

It's going to cost us a seed line in March. Is it the end of the world, no. But when the committee is sitting down in March looking at our resume these games are the difference between having an RPI of 20 vs 25. Doesn't matter how much we win by, these games against 350+ teams are pretty much locked in as a negative impact to the advanced metrics

 

[bendm]

And casuals don't show up for GW and Yale.

well then on behalf of all the casuals let me inform you that more of us would. we actually know people that went to yale and GW and might even get a group of alums together to attend. i have friends/family for which both is true and i'm positive the same would broadly apply for umass and vermont and northeastern etc etc etc

but you're too scared to play big bad bryant university and dont think the minuscule risk of losing is worth the extra competition and ticket sales

i had never even heard of UMES until i looked at the schedule.

 

[KingAG]

It's going to cost us a seed line in March. Is it the end of the world, no. But when the committee is sitting down in March looking at our resume these games are the difference between having an RPI of 20 vs 25. Doesn't matter how much we win by, these games against 350+ teams are pretty much locked in as a negative impact to the advanced metrics

You will have no way of knowing if it cost us a seed line. You don't even know if these teams will finish where they are now. Yale, Dartmouth, and GW may very well end up being comfortably in the 300 range. It's why splitting hairs with teams that suck is dumb.

 

[KingAG]

well then on behalf of all the casuals let me inform you that more of us would. we actually know people that went to yale and GW and might even get a group of alums together to attend. i actually have family members of which both is true. same could be said for umass and vermont and bryant and northeastern etc etc etc

i had never even heard of UMES until i looked at the schedule.

Okay this is getting dumb. For UConn vs Coppin State around10,000 fans were in attendance. It was about 2/3 of the way full. How many more fans do you think would've turned up for Yale, Vermont, or Bryant? MAYBE 1,000? What exactly are we talking about?

Vermont: In 2010 after our final 4 run, exactly 600 more people showed up for Vermont than who showed up for Coppin St

Bryant: In 2014 after our national championship year and season opener around 400 more people showed up than vs coppin state

Yale: In 2014 year after our championship around 200 less people showed up (lmao)

UMass: In 2004 at the height of our powers, year after our 2nd championship 600 LESS PEOPLE! Showed up than vs Coppin St

Add On: I purposefully chose the years after some of our most exciting and successful seasons. Just to show how baseless your claim is. I can't wait to show you some of our non conference schedules during our championship years

I REST MY CASE

 

[bendm]

I REST MY CASE

thank you for proving my point and apparently not realizing it....

we would have 1) played 3 or 4 significantly better cupcakes while 2) attracting more fans. that's a win-win and exactly what i've been advocating for. not sure why you're incapable of appreciating the difference but...

CASE CLOSED

 

[KingAG]

thank you for proving my point and apparently not realizing it....

we would have 1) played 3 or 4 significantly better cupcakes while 2) attracting more fans. that's a win-win and exactly what i've been advocating for. not sure why you're incapable of appreciating the difference but...

CASE CLOSED

200-400 fans is not a difference. Have you ever actually been to a live sporting event? And the fact that you think I proved your point...GOOD LORD

 

[bendm]

200-400 fans is not a difference. Have you ever actually been to a live sporting event? And the fact that you think I proved your point...GOOD LORD

you forgot about the better competition aspect of the argument...that 3 or 4 significantly better cupcakes ranked ~100 spots higher in kenpom. good lord indeed.

 

[KingAG]

you forgot about the better competition aspect of the argument...that 3 or 4 significantly better cupcakes ranked ~100 spots higher in kenpom. good lord in deed youre bad at this.

1.) That wasn't the argument I was attacking. You have to catch up. I responded to a post of you claiming more fans care about those teams. I proved without a doubt that it isnt true.
2.) In early November you have ZERO ideas where these teams will end up in Kenpom. It's a crap shoot. Unless you can see into the future.

 

[navery12]

You will have no way of knowing if it cost us a seed line. You don't even know if these teams will finish where they are now. Yale, Dartmouth, and GW may very well end up being comfortably in the 300 range. It's why splitting hairs with teams that suck is dumb.

You're right, Yale, Dartmouth, GW could end up being ranked worse than CCSU and UMES and be ranked 350+. UConn could also lose every game the rest of the season, the NCAA could punish UNC for cheating, and I could be named starting striker for the US World Cup team. But some things we can with certainty are likely to happen

 

[bendm]

1.) That wasn't the argument I was attacking. You have to catch up. I responded to a post of you claiming more fans care about those teams. I proved without a doubt that it isnt true.
2.) In early November you have ZERO ideas where these teams will end up in Kenpom. It's a crap shoot. Unless you can see into the future

but... you did prove my points: 1) more fans would have shown up (doesnt matter how many hundreds more you can't argue w/ math); and 2) we would have played better teams. it's called scouting. when setting the schedule the coaches can say with confidence that GW is going to be a lot better than UMES a year out. i shoulda blocked you last year when i realized you were the most insufferable debater on this board.

 

[KingAG]

but... you did prove my points: 1) more fans would have shown up (doesnt matter how many hundreds more you can't argue w/ math); and 2) we would have played better teams. it's called scouting. when setting the schedule the coaches can say with confidence that GW is going to be a lot better than UMES a year out. i shoulda blocked you last year when i realized you were the most insufferable debater on this board.

You didn't read my post. More fans did not show up for every game I listed.Knowing the difference between "Less" and "More" is a Kindergarten skill. You're being a dunce. And please do so. You add absolutely ZERO to my boneyard experience.

 

[bendm]

More fans did not show up for every game I listed.

in the aggregate they did

 

[KingAG]

in the aggregate they did

That goal post must be real light with the way you just keep moving it. Lmao. But i'm done. Oh and Don't forget to block me