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You can count on Foley getting an offer to coach an OL at a decent school before the 2013 season starts.

He has too much success on his resume to be a TE coach.
 
Coach P is the CEO. His job to appoint the executives he wants and where he wants them. Keeping his job will be largely dependent on those positions.

I don't know about Deleone. The offense, or rather offenses, we ran last season could not have been more complicated. We'll have to see.
 
The more I think about this, the dumber this move seems. I want to ge excited about what Pasqualoni is doing, but this just feels like a retread op to me.
 
My gut tells me Foley will be gone soon... Just doesn't make sense where he fits in with Coach P in place... Honestly all this is confusing to me. . And I hope we don't get anymore coaches with 30 plus years coaching experience.... IMO that's too old... We need guys who can relate to today's player a little...
 
You know what would be a good look for Foley ( short term ... don't think he'd stay there past 2 seasons tops )? Fordham. Or does that make too much sense?
 
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uconndogs said:
I don't know about Deleone. The offense, or rather offenses, we ran last season could not have been more complicated. We'll have to see.
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I have to say that I thought last season the staff got everything they could out of the offense. We had no quarterback, lost arguably our best wide reciever to academics before the opening practice, lost our presumed starter at tailback before the first game and replaced him with a freshman who looked like an 8th grader not a college running back. That they put a fairly credible attack out there was a pretty good accomplishment in my view. With a few better players I like the way this could go.
 
You know what the responses on here to this is, it's people fearing change.

The only reasons Foley would be anywhere else but UConn next year are #1. He gets fired mid contract, or he dismissed without contract renewal when his contract is up....or #2. He gets a job offer that is better for him professionally, financially, and for his family.

Unless the 2012 season is complete frigging disaster, the chances of #1 are slim to none. But #2? Well, if our offense comes out and starts carving up opposing defenses and putting up big points, and the TE and offensive line are a big part of it, then those offers might be coming in for Foley. and again on #2? Does anyone seriously think that a career college football in division 1/BCS coaching isn't constantly monitoring the job environment? Job secruity is far from the top 10 best perks of being a career football coach. Especially after last year - anyone think that all the coaches aren't in tune with the job circuit?

I don't see how this move is a bad thing for UConn football, and I certainly don't see how challenging a very good coach in Foley, who's been stuck in a run blocking rut on offense, to get back to a full offensive approach to the game, is a bad thing. I don't see how anyone can think that Foley on TE's and Deleone on OL is a bad thing.

It's not like these guys aren't going be working together on that offensive front and the TE's and offensive line players and coaches are goign to be walled off in different areas of the complex and only see each other game days in the fall.
 
sportsart said:
You can count on Foley getting an offer to coach an OL at a decent school before the 2013 season starts.

He has too much success on his resume to be a TE coach.
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Seriously? Too much success doing what? Since when does adding new things to your resume weaken it? Coach Foley is a great guy and is a great football coach, but he's now got a challenge to become a better football coach. Does anyone really think that he hasn't had people looking seriously at the coaching job circuit all along, or at least after Edsall blindsided UConn?

I highly doubt that his move, has come as a surprise to anyone on the coaching staff, and it's been thoroughly discussed and agreed upon by all involved. That's how these things get done properly. I guarantee you all, that through the month of December, a very, VERY thorough review of the state of teh UConn football program was conducted, and everyone was involved.

I think I"ll just count on the fact that if Mike Foley gets hired away from UConn to a position that his better for himself professionally, higher in the pecking order of coaches, and in financial secruity for himself and his family, it will be because our offense in 2012 was pretty damn good, and he added a significant piece to his resume.

I'm ok with that, and I"d be happy for Coach Foley.

I haven't read anywhere that Coach has been asked to take a pay cut, or has been given new responsibilities without adequate compensation, or has had benefits cut from his contract, or that he's unhappy with his work environment.

Don't fear change.
 
When Moorhead was moved from OC to Asst. Head Coach/QB Coach or whatever his title was, he wasn't asked to take a pay cut, didn't have benefits cut from his contract, and we never heard he was unhappy.

But he was gone a year later at the first opportunity.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to fear a similar result with Foley. If he gets a promotion elsewhere, nobody here would argue it's undeserved. But the best and most consistent position coach on the roster is being moved to a different position. Why would anyone be excited about that? He's been one of, if not our best coach the past 10 years. We have every right to fear losing him, just as he has every right to move on to the next challenge.

I don't fear change, I fear the negative consequences that could be a result of the change.
 
The offensive line has done very, very well in run blocking over the past few years. Can you really sit there and type that it has done well in pass protection as well? If you're going to do an accurate critique, you have to be willing to point out the negative with the positive. What has Foley really done with the offensive line when it comes to a passing game?

From what I gather today, Foley is going to working specifically with the TE's and OT's. I think with those two positions, you're talking about the two most important positions in protecting the QB from say....a guy like #11 that played for WVU.

I also know that we're going to be replacing a multi-year starter at center, and not just replacing him, plugging a center in that is going to have an entirely different offense around him, than what we had in the past, and if you know anything about centers need to do at the line of scrimmage, I'm pretty comfortable in having Deleone working with interior line, in his offense, while Foley focuses on that TE position and the tackles.

The key to the 2011 season was the QB position, the key to the 2012 season just might be the other side of that snapping of the ball exchange, - the center.

Fearing the negative consequences of change, is the exact same thing as fearing change dude. Think about it. Funny you should write that.

Looking that potential negative consequences of change? Hey - that makes sense. That's why you need to be real thorough about how you evaluate things, and what you look at to change to improve things.
The positive consequences of this change far outweigh the negative.
 
WingU-Conn said:
When Moorhead was moved from OC to Asst. Head Coach/QB Coach or whatever his title was, he wasn't asked to take a pay cut, didn't have benefits cut from his contract, and we never heard he was unhappy.

But he was gone a year later at the first opportunity.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to fear a similar result with Foley. If he gets a promotion elsewhere, nobody here would argue it's undeserved. But the best and most consistent position coach on the roster is being moved to a different position. Why would anyone be excited about that? He's been one of, if not our best coach the past 10 years. We have every right to fear losing him, just as he has every right to move on to the next challenge.

I don't fear change, I fear the negative consequences that could be a result of the change.
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Some of these Spackler posts are mind boggling.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
When Moorhead was moved from OC to Asst. Head Coach/QB Coach or whatever his title was, he wasn't asked to take a pay cut, didn't have benefits cut from his contract, and we never heard he was unhappy.

But he was gone a year later at the first opportunity.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to fear a similar result with Foley. If he gets a promotion elsewhere, nobody here would argue it's undeserved. But the best and most consistent position coach on the roster is being moved to a different position. Why would anyone be excited about that? He's been one of, if not our best coach the past 10 years. We have every right to fear losing him, just as he has every right to move on to the next challenge.

I don't fear change, I fear the negative consequences that could be a result of the change.
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Fearing the negative consequence that could result from change, is the exact same thing as fearing change dude.
 
Carl Spackler said:
The offensive line has done very, very well in run blocking over the past few years. Can you really sit there and type that it has done well in pass protection as well? If you're going to do an accurate critique, you have to be willing to point out the negative with the positive. What has Foley really done with the offensive line when it comes to a passing game?

From what I gather today, Foley is going to working specifically with the TE's and OT's. I think with those two positions, you're talking about the two most important positions in protecting the QB from say....a guy like #11 that played for WVU.

I also know that we're going to be replacing a multi-year starter at center, and not just replacing him, plugging a center in that is going to have an entirely different offense around him, than what we had in the past, and if you know anything about centers need to do at the line of scrimmage, I'm pretty comfortable in having Deleone working with interior line, in his offense, while Foley focuses on that TE position and the tackles.

The key to the 2011 season was the QB position, the key to the 2012 season just might be the other side of that snapping of the ball exchange, - the center.

Fearing the negative consequences of change, is the exact same thing as fearing change dude. Think about it. Funny you should write that.

Looking that potential negative consequences of change? Hey - that makes sense. That's why you need to be real thorough about how you evaluate things, and what you look at to change to improve things.
The positive consequences of this change far outweigh the negative.
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The pass protection hasn't been as good as the run blocking, but it's been fine. The problem with our passing offense has been accuracy, separation, and drops. Not blocking.

Ironically enough, you're criticizing the job Foley's done with pass protection, while at the same time arguing there is nothing negative about him moving to the position you say is most important when it comes to protecting the QB.

No, feating the results is not the same as fearing change. Most of us weren't worred about UConn losing Edsall. We know the program has a great foundation. That said, we don't all have to agree on the quality of his replacement. Regardless of who is right or wrong, we can embrace the fact we're changing, but fear the direction we're heading towards with the new coach. We're going to always have turnover on our staff and our roster, I don't fear the turnover, it's a fact of life. I fear that some of the decisions made in that turnover will prove to be mistakes. It's also inevitable, but I don't have to like it.

We don't yet know what the consequences of this change are. Saying the positives outweigh the negative is extremely premature, since as of today, there aren't any consequences to speak of.

I think we should move in a new direction with our WR coach. Does that mean I fear change?
 
Carl Spackler said:
Fearing the negative consequence that could result from change, is the exact same thing as fearing change dude.
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I think it's time to find a new WR coach. Does that mean I fear change?

If Coach P retired tomorrow and we had to find a new coach, I think we'd be able to find a replacement that could keep the program moving in the right direction without missing a beat. Does that mean I fear change?

I'm not sold that this is a good move, I don't fear change, I fear that this was a mistake, and that the change that's been made will have negative consequences.
 
Oh well, we'll see what happens. There are some things that I'm critical negatively of Pasqualoni at this point in his turn driving the bus at UConn. This coaching move involving a shift of job responsibility internally on the staff with Coach Foley and Deleone, is not one of them.

I've got complete faith that Coach Foley will take this challenge on full force and do very well in working with the most diverse offensive position on the field, and that Deleone will get a new interior line trained in both pass protect and run blocking in a multiple formation pro-set offense AND option runnign coming out of the backfield.

Logical fallacy argument statement I'm making now, but if you know anything about what a center needs to be doing out there on the field, and that were putting a new center out there for the first time and year, and what the importance of the TE and the tackles in a pro-set offense, then I think this coachign move makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

If Coach Foley feels motivated to move on to another coaching job, and his able to do so, by giving himself a better professional, financial and family situation, because of it, so be it. It only means that good things have happened for the UConn football program.

The negative consequences? Coach Foley fails and Coach Deleone fails. I've had people around here poo=poo me when I've talked about fear and fear of failure adn these kinds of things before. Fear of failure either motivates you to get better, or it keeps you stagnant.
 
WingU-Conn said:
The pass protection hasn't been as good as the run blocking, but it's been fine. The problem with our passing offense has been accuracy, separation, and drops. Not blocking.

Ironically enough, you're criticizing the job Foley's done with pass protection, while at the same time arguing there is nothing negative about him moving to the position you say is most important when it comes to protecting the QB.

No, feating the results is not the same as fearing change. Most of us weren't worred about UConn losing Edsall. We know the program has a great foundation. That said, we don't all have to agree on the quality of his replacement. Regardless of who is right or wrong, we can embrace the fact we're changing, but fear the direction we're heading towards with the new coach. We're going to always have turnover on our staff and our roster, I don't fear the turnover, it's a fact of life. I fear that some of the decisions made in that turnover will prove to be mistakes. It's also inevitable, but I don't have to like it.

We don't yet know what the consequences of this change are. Saying the positives outweigh the negative is extremely premature, since as of today, there aren't any consequences to speak of.

I think we should move in a new direction with our WR coach. Does that mean I fear change?
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I thought we led the conference in fewest sacks allowed in 2010. I know facts have no impact on Carl's canned speeches, but that doesn't mean we can't try.
 
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Carl Spackler said:
Oh well, we'll see what happens. There are some things that I'm critical negatively of Pasqualoni at this point in his turn driving the bus at UConn. This coaching move involving a shift of job responsibility internally on the staff with Coach Foley and Deleone, is not one of them.

I've got complete faith that Coach Foley will take this challenge on full force and do very well in working with the most diverse offensive position on the field, and that Deleone will get a new interior line trained in both pass protect and run blocking in a multiple formation pro-set offense AND option runnign coming out of the backfield.

Logical fallacy argument statement I'm making now, but if you know anything about what a center needs to be doing out there on the field, and that were putting a new center out there for the first time and year, and what the importance of the TE and the tackles in a pro-set offense, then I think this coachign move makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

If Coach Foley feels motivated to move on to another coaching job, and his able to do so, by giving himself a better professional, financial and family situation, because of it, so be it. It only means that good things have happened for the UConn football program.

The negative consequences? Coach Foley fails and Coach Deleone fails. I've had people around here poo=poo me when I've talked about fear and fear of failure adn these kinds of things before. Fear of failure either motivates you to get better, or it keeps you stagnant.
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I know what the responsibilities of the center are. I know that he and the OC should be best friends on the field and in the film room. I don't understand why that can't be the case while Foley remains the OL coach.

It's nonsense to say that if Foley moves on it only means good things have happened at UConn. What happened last year that was so good it caused Moorhead to leave? Rhetorical question.

It would be nice if you stop building strawmen to blow down and respond to what folks actually say.
 
businesslawyer said:
I thought we led the conference in fewest sacks allowed in 2010. I know facts have no impact on Carl's canned speeches, but that doesn't mean we can't try.
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1st in the big east and 20th nationally.
 
Carl Spackler said:
Fearing the negative consequence that could result from change, is the exact same thing as fearing change dude.
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Disagreeing with a decision does not automatically = fearing change. I don't have a huge issue with this move personally, but I also don't believe someone disagreeing with it (thinking it will make things worse, not better) means they fear change. They may just think it's a stupid decision.
 
Hey Irish Loop that's pretty funny stuff. But not for nothing, if you aren't aware of the team's reaction it may be that your handle should read "Irish--not in the--Loop".
 
I think we all have alot of respect for the job Foley has done here, but the pass blocking last year was not good. I know that Mc wasn't the most elusive qb, but he was under siege alot last year.
 
Listent, this is simple. You people are all afraid that moving Coach Foley to TE and OT responsibility and putting Deleone in on the interior OL is going to make the offense in 2012 worse than it was in 2011, and/or moving coach foley is going to somehow motivate him to search elsewhere for job opportunities.

I'm afraid of neither situation.

I think our offense is going to be better in 2012, than it was in 2012, and this coachign move only strenghtens my view that will. I think that if Coach Foley, hasn't been actively involved in monitoring the job circuit, since at least January 2, 2011, he'd be a fool. I know he's not a fool, so to think he's going to be any more or less in tune with job opportunities other than UConn, because of this, is foolish.

I also know that by diversifying a resume, you strengthen it, so if he does have desires to be an OC or HC again, especially at this level of football, rather than going back to Ivy, he's only going to make that possibility come closer by doing a good job with the TE's. I also know that it's not unusual to divide up coaching responsibilities such that you've got one coach on the interior OL, and another coach on OT's and TE's.

I also know that Coach Foley has had run dominated offensive systems to work with for his entire career at UConn, and the way that you get people out of rut and growing, is to challenge them to do new and better things.

As for sack numbers, yup, we gave up way more in 2011 than we did in 2010. Yup, we did, with an offense that was you know, actually designed to throw the ball....., and send out multiple route options, rather than max protect with 2 or 3 routes maximum.......

I think i'll pack up my canned speeches for a while.
 
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Nostical said:
Hey Irish Loop that's pretty funny stuff. But not for nothing, if you aren't aware of the team's reaction it may be that your handle should read "Irish--not in the--Loop".
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You're correct. The OL is not, in fact, sending me memos.

But since you won't share your secrets, I'll just have to assume you're on their super secret mailing list. ;)
 
WingU-Conn said:
1st in the big east and 20th nationally.
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I do wonder if that was as much a product of our lack of pass attempts (and a QB that threw the ball away quickly if there was nothing there) as it was the protection. I'm not sure.

To my eyes, the protection was good (not outstanding) in 2010 and poor to average in 2011.
 
The problem with pass protection last year was THE PASSER. Our QB couldn't read the blitz, he was immobile, and he often took sacks instead of throwing the ball away.

To say the high number of sacks was a attributable to Foley is just plan wrong. It is attributable to P's choice for QB
 
Palatine said:
The problem with pass protection last year was THE PASSER. Our QB couldn't read the blitz, he was immobile, and he often took sacks instead of throwing the ball away.

To say the high number of sacks was a attributable to Foley is just plan wrong. It is attributable to P's choice for QB
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While I would be much less certain about what I think I saw, I do tend to agree with Palatine on this. Our pass protection was really good in '10. It was not good in '11, but I tend to think it was a combination of things, including different protection schemes that the players were being asked to implement and a QB who didn't move in the pocket, escape the pocket, make the DL rush fearing that if they weren't careful he's escape the pocket, or throw the ball quickly enough. The OL coaching would be way, way, way down my list of possibilities for what the problem really was.
 
Excalibur said:
I do wonder if that was as much a product of our lack of pass attempts (and a QB that threw the ball away quickly if there was nothing there) as it was the protection. I'm not sure.

To my eyes, the protection was good (not outstanding) in 2010 and poor to average in 2011.
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I agree with much of that. I wouldn't say the protection was poor, but average.

The move may turn out to be for the better for UConn and Foley, it may not. Foley helped coach up the guy responsbile for protecting Eli Manning's blindside until he got hurt. He can't be that bad at coaching pass protection.
 
Coach Foley is going to get the opportunity to show that he can develop TE's and OT' in a balanced offense. Look people, I don't expect anyone to believe anythign I say. This is an internet board, and I just love UConn football. But I love football too. It's basically a life.

None of the OL's we've had come out of UConn in recent years and go on to the NFL and either make rosters, or get cut in camps, have been ready for pass protection at the NFL level. In the big east, even on our own team, we are regularly facing players in defensive fronts that are capable of pass rush in the NFL.

They've all required work to be ready to pass protect, and it's going to be same again this year for Petrus, his ability to recognize defenses and get off the line of scrimmage and got out to a linebacker will help him make it. Coach Foley, has done a wonderful job in developing players for run blocking, but he's now got the job responsibility as far as I can tell of focusing on developing offensive tackles and tight ends in the passing game, and I've got no reason whatsoever to doubt that he'll do agreat job and will be a better coach because of it.

I think what you've all correctly identified is that when you look at certain football statistics, like sacks, there's a whole lot of variables that go into them.

I'm not worried at all, at Coach Foley's ability to be successful with this new challenge, and if he trully desires to coach elsewhere because of gettign challenged to do something new? I think he's probably excited to take it on. THat's all I'm going to say.

There are other concerns to have when it comes to this coaching staff, and the most important one, is still up in the air. got a problem with coach P and coaching moves? Yup, I do.......it's called the vacant QB coach spot.

Later dudes. I'm looking forward to a great spring of football.
 
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