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Hey Adrien! said:
Part of me is, why not move to the ACC, that makes more sense! but honestly, the ACC as a basketball school has been a shell of itself the last five seasons.

Here are the conference ranks per KenPom over that time span:

2020: Big Ten, Big 12, Big East, ACC
2021: Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, SEC, ACC, Big East
2022: Big 12, SEC, Big Ten, Big East, ACC
2023: Big 12, Big Ten, Big East, SEC, Pac 12, MWC, ACC
2024: Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, SEC, ACC

That being said, the Big 12 is an incredible conference to join for basketball reasons. Obviously, it'll stink not being able to easily travel for away games (I've only been to St. John's and Seton Hall games), but it's an incredible conference and will greatly help the school financially.
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The ACC is about to implode
 
JMick said:
Anyone complaining about leaving the Big East does not see the big picture. If this happens, get ready for the Big 24 conference. When the ACC collapses and the biggest brands go to the SEC and B1G, schools like Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech and NCST will be added to the Big 12. Would you rather play Villanova, St Johns, Providence and seton hall or would you rather play Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati and NCST?
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Um…the Big East teams. Those ACC teams all such except maybe NC St
 
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JMick said:
Anyone complaining about leaving the Big East does not see the big picture. If this happens, get ready for the Big 24 conference. When the ACC collapses and the biggest brands go to the SEC and B1G, schools like Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech and NCST will be added to the Big 12. Would you rather play Villanova, St Johns, Providence and seton hall or would you rather play Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati and NCST?
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Honestly? Id rather play Nova, St Johns, Providence, and Seton Hall. NC State had a run out of nowhere but those other schools are a shell of their former self. I get the move financially. I don't love it. If the Big East wasn't so disrespected and Val could actually broker a deal that gave us more money, id stay but alas.
 
My immediate reaction was efff that. But I sure hope people a helluva lot smarter than me are at the wheel
 
What would be awesome is if the Big 12 took 3 more teams with us in the Northeast that'd reduce our travel and were also "every sport except Football"

I'm not even sure what schools they'd take (now that Villanova has Neptune). Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall? Idk but would be nice
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
Honestly? Id rather play Nova, St Johns, Providence, and Seton Hall. NC State had a run out of nowhere but those other schools are a shell of their former self.
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Louisville will be good again in hoops very quickly, most likely this season. They're too good a hoops school not to. I wouldn't mind playing Syracuse again but I'm not totally sold on their future. I don't care about the other schools at all and BC should be Patriot League. JMick left them out which is good.

Big 12 should be doing everything to try and lure Duke as a partner with UConn. People seem to think they'll always be partnered with UNC but I'm not sold on that. Everyone is out for themselves and I've yet to see Duke linked with the Big 10 or SEC.
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
Honestly? Id rather play Nova, St Johns, Providence, and Seton Hall. NC State had a run out of nowhere but those other schools are a shell of their former self. I get the move financially. I don't love it. If the Big East wasn't so disrespected and Val could actually broker a deal that gave us more money, id stay but alas.
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This only makes sense if you're grading those big east teams on a curve.
 
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businesslawyer said:
If the "contingencies" are things we can control, because it only requires expenditures of money to achieve specific targets, fine. If it requires achieving success on the field, that's something else entirely.

By the way -- it's hard to take your analysis seriously if you want the political branches of our government to act and yet you can't be bothered to look up who the governor is.
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Maybe he is hoping U Maine joins the BIG12
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
Honestly? Id rather play Nova, St Johns, Providence, and Seton Hall. NC State had a run out of nowhere but those other schools are a shell of their former self. I get the move financially. I don't love it. If the Big East wasn't so disrespected and Val could actually broker a deal that gave us more money, id stay but alas.
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Schedule those teams for out of conference games. No need to play Butler or DePaul ever again.
 
JMick said:
This only makes sense if you're grading those big east teams on a curve.
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The teams you mentioned from ACC were fun because of how good they were at the time and the coaches they had. No more Higgins, no Boeheim, no Cronin. None of the student body is going to know or care about the former Big East. I agree with super John about Louisville. They will be back again.
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
The teams you mentioned from ACC were fun because of how good they were at the time and the coaches they had. No more Higgins, no Boeheim, no Cronin. None of the student body is going to know or care about the former Big East. I agree with super John about Louisville. They will be back again.
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There's no Wright at villanova. Pitino won't be at St Johns long. Seton Hall is Seton Hall. Providence will always be a stepping stone program. You can crap on the ACC teams all you want but they have brighter futures than most in the Big East
 
aburks41 said:


The Big 12 and UConn remain in serious negotiations about the Huskies joining the league as its newest expansion member, multiple sources tell Yahoo Sports.

In a marriage that could bring together arguably the country’s strongest basketball conference and perhaps the nation’s best hoops program, UConn officials visited with Big 12 athletic administrators in Dallas last week. Though nothing is imminent, the in-person presentation is a sign of the serious nature of the discussions.

Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark is set to make a similar presentation to the league's presidents next week.

In the latest version of the deal, UConn would join the conference as a member in all sports except football starting, at latest, in 2026. Contingent upon the school meeting certain investment thresholds in the sport, UConn football would join the Big 12 in 2031.

Huge risk not getting football in right away, but it's probably the only way to convince the other schools to let us in. This sounds like it's going to happen
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Note so sure; the article I read indicated push back from a number of schools and that any invitation is far from a done deal.
 
JMick said:
There's no Wright at villanova. Pitino won't be at St Johns long. Seton Hall is Seton Hall. Providence will always be a stepping stone program. You can crap on the ACC teams all you want but they have brighter futures than most in the Big East
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I doubt that. The former BE schools that all left proved going to a lucrative conference did nothing for their basketball programs
 
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auror said:
The B12 commissioner is trying to zag when the other power conferences are zigging. He's expecting basketball to have growth and earn a closer share of revenue dollars to football over the years. So he's loading up on undervalued basketball-focused properties (Arizona, Houston, BYU, etc.) and worthwhile "leftovers".

His goal is P3. The top schools in all other conferences have joined the B1G or SEC, and FSU/Clemson have made it clear they're looking to bolt the ACC as soon as they find a way around the grant of rights or bully their way out. Yormark is seeing how tenuous the ACC's position is, and how many strong basketball-focused brands/schools the ACC has that won't be the top choice of B1G/SEC. The B12 was almost dead, and now he's trying to make the B12 a better landing spot for some of the basketball-focused ACC schools when the time comes instead of ACC teams staying and trying to poach FROM the B12. So he's getting UConn in right away to further enhance the B12's value in the run up to their next media negotiation and next round of realignment (easier to convince east coast teams from ACC that B12 will work for them if they have UConn as a test case and "friend" as it were... and keep us from the ACC as a decent fill-in when others leave).

From UConn's perspective, joining right away hopefully gets us more short term money while eventually getting us enough money when football joins and we get a full share to compete when the House settlement and revenue sharing of up to $25 million annually to players kicks in. B12 presidents don't want to give us football money that comes out of their share and ESPN won't give us full pro rata share because our football is garbage. So have to wait for a full re-negotiation in 2031, and B12 presidents are pretty skeptical about our football so they'll add some stipulations to protect themselves from us joining if we don't improve football so we're not a net drain on that future football negotiation. UConn would prefer football in right away, but it doesn't seem to be an option.
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I don’t care why he likes UConn and others don’t but glad he likes UConn.
 
Wish they could finalize this before the renovations to the XL Center start. Maybe we would actually get a whole new arena.
 
JSB60 said:
Stay in the Big East and win basketball championships while everyone says we “have to” move.
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We "stayed in the Big East" once before. All the catholic schools left and formed their own league. The league we stayed in sold the Big East name to the catholic schools. We never moved until we joined this new league.
 
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Letsgohuskies11 said:
Honestly? Id rather play Nova, St Johns, Providence, and Seton Hall.
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JMick said:
This only makes sense if you're grading those big east teams on a curve.
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The question isn’t whether we’d rather play Cuse, Pitt, Lville, VT etc it’s whether we’d rather play Kansas, Houston, Baylor, Arizona etc and be in the best bball conference in the country
 
JMick said:
There's no Wright at villanova. Pitino won't be at St Johns long. Seton Hall is Seton Hall. Providence will always be a stepping stone program. You can crap on the ACC teams all you want but they have brighter futures than most in the Big East
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You never know, Pitino may be at St. John’s longer than Coach Hurley (possibly NBA) is at UConn.
 
MJ1 said:
You never know, Pitino may be at St. John’s longer than Coach Hurley (possibly NBA) is at UConn.
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is this supposed to be an argument for staying or what? I don’t see your point cause even if Pitino stays longer than Hurley he’s still 71
 
This is a no brainer. UConn wants to be a major player long term. Currently, we are on the outside looking in. Our basketball brand is so hot that a P3 conference wants to bite. I don’t care when football joins as a full member. If the Big12 invites us, we accept under any terms. It’s a date to the dance. You don’t say no.
 
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