UConn asks federal court to dismiss Kevin Ollie's complaint

[Madmannsucks]

He didn't torch the bridge until after UConn threw him off it.

I agree. He should have been fired, for performance. We can go on and on. He still had value to the school. Do you think he could have been a fundraiser and easily offset his salary, Because I do. Now he is exiled forever. Who's next, Ray Allen for making the phone call?

 

[intlzncster]

Rick Pitino still gets jobs. Can I win any harder than that?

To be fair, Pitino, while an insincere degenerate, is a phenomenal basketball coach. A true HOFer. If you are comfortable selling your soul for on the court success, you want him on your sideline.

 

[JMick]

He didn't torch the bridge until after UConn threw him off it.

Wrong

 

[intlzncster]

Wrong

Ollie propaganda machine working overtime atm

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

We can go on and on

On and on
He just keeps on trying
And he smiles
When he feels like crying
On and on, on and on, on and on

 

[Chief00]

I'd say possibly none of the above; or maybe a combination of all three of them. I think it's simply a hard case with some tough choices, given that his "contract" is an amalgam of the CBA and his own separate agreement with the University, and the two don't always dovetail nicely and cleanly.

As you know, I read the documents to provide the option not to go to arbitration at all, but to go to court instead, which I would have done.

Unless Chief is missing some critical legal nuance KO’s team’s strategy has led to a bad place for KO.

 

[Chief00]

Ollie propaganda machine working overtime atm

Man, if that’s his propaganda machine - I would like to see the opposition. I think most of the damage to KO’s case has been done by him and his delusional team. As they say, when the other side is self imploding step out if the way.

 

[Tenspro2002]

To be fair, Pitino, while an insincere degenerate, is a phenomenal basketball coach. A true HOFer. If you are comfortable selling your soul for on the court success, you want him on your sideline.

Bingo. The reason KO isn't going to get a HC job isn't because of an NCAA cloud hanging over him, it's because he proved himself to be utterly incapable of running a college basketball program.

 

[8893]

Unless Chief is missing some critical legal nuance KO’s team’s strategy has led to a bad place for KO.

I’m not sure there were a lot of great options given the hand they were dealt; but whether through their choices or their client’s, they appear to have missed their best window for maximizing any leverage they had.

 

[CL82]

He didn't torch the bridge until after UConn threw him off it.

Not so much actually. His representation did that. As I have said before, hindsight being what it is, I would have preferred UConn's first announcement not have included the 'just cause" label, accurate though it is. It likely wouldn't have made a difference though.

 

[Chief00]

I’m not sure there were a lot of great options given the hand they were dealt; but whether through their choices or their client’s, they appear to have missed their best window for maximizing any leverage they had.

The FOI request that revealed Glen Miller’s wife spitting KO venom was not exactly a great move.

 

[CL82]

He should have been fired, for performance.

Uh, why? That would cost the school in excess of $10M. Any AD who did that would be fired.

He still had value to the school. Do you think he could have been a fundraiser and easily offset his salary, Because I do.

How much fundraising did he do as coach? I personally doubt KO would have generated 10 million over the life of his contract.

Now he is exiled forever.

When you leave a job you throw crap against the wall in the hopes that it will stick, or leave graciously. KO chose the former. As I've said from the start of this, KO's best option would have been to leave graciously. I would have earned some fraction of his salary and would have enabled him to have some say in the narrative. He chose not to do that. That's not exile, that is short term and immature decision making.

Who's next, Ray Allen for making the phone call?

You realize that KO was fired for a repeated pattern of NCAA violations and lying about them, right? The straw that appears to have broke the camels back, was paying for illegal travel, meals and lodging for two players to attend an illegal (in the NCAA sense) training session and then lying to both the administration and the NCAA about it. That was only going end up one way, with Kevin losing his job. I know you know that, though. Your decision to consistently omit it speaks to credibility on your posts on the topic.

 

[Madmannsucks]

As a coach, he was not responsible for fund raising. Period, so no relevance there. There were 2 sides involved in the crap throwing. AD decided to go THAT route, not KO. I am aware of all the ALLEGATIONS up to this point. The NCAA charges are only that up to this point, He says it is not true. We'll see how that plays out. Until then, my credibility remains intact.

 

[JMick]

As a coach, he was not responsible for fund raising. Period, so no relevance there. There were 2 sides involved in the crap throwing. AD decided to go THAT route, not KO. I am aware of all the ALLEGATIONS up to this point. The NCAA charges are only that up to this point, He says it is not true. We'll see how that plays out. Until then, my credibility remains intact.

"That" route. You mean the route where they fired him for breaking the terms of his contract. Don't want to get fired, don't break the contract. It's really simple.

 

[CL82]

Please quote my post so I know you've replied.

As a coach, he was not responsible for fund raising. Period, so no relevance there.

Said differently, you have no basis for statement that KO could fund raise enough to offset his salary

There were 2 sides involved in the crap throwing. AD decided to go THAT route, not KO.

Nope, KO decided to smear our beloved HOF coach (well coaches actually, he also took a shot at Geno) in the hope that UConn would pay him off to avoid a smear campaign. How did UConn smear KO? By stating that he was discharged for cause? He was. By complying with the FOIA request made by KO's representation? That was mandated. KO and his representation making poor decisions is on their head, not UConns.

The NCAA charges are only that up to this point, He says it is not true. We'll see how that plays out. Until then, my credibility remains intact.

Not so much. When you list only the Ray Allen "allegation" not the all the other "allegations" you are cherry picking. Expect me to call you out on that every time you do it. (FWIW, there is no doubt that players received food, lodging and transportation to an illegal out of state training session. You realize that right?)

 

[CL82]

"That" route. You mean the route where they fired him for breaking the terms of his contract. Don't want to get fired, for cause, don't break the contract. It's really simple.

Agree with the addition above.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Please quote my post so I know you've replied. Said differently, you have no basis for statement that KO could fund raise enough to offset his salary
Nope, KO decided to smear our beloved HOF coach (well coaches actually, he also took a shot at Geno) in the hope that UConn would pay him off to avoid a smear campaign. How did UConn smear KO? By stating that he was discharged for cause? He was. By complying with the FOIA request made by KO's representation? That was mandated. KO and his representation making poor decisions is on their head, not UConns.
Not so much. When you list only the Ray Allen "allegation" not the all the other "allegations" you are cherry picking. Expect me to call you out on that every time you do it. (FWIW, there is no doubt that players received food, lodging and transportation to an illegal out of state training session. You realize that right?)

I cherry picked Ray allen because a)he was the booster mentioned in the investigation and b)he is having his number go up in the rafters in Storrs. I am not assuming this was orchestrated KO...I mean JC claimed no knowledge during his investigation.

 

[CL82]

I cherry picked Ray allen because a)he was the booster mentioned in the investigation and b)he is having his number go up in the rafters in Storrs. I am not assuming this was orchestrated KO...I mean JC claimed no knowledge during his investigation.

But you realize the Ray Allen call alone wasn't the reason for KO's dismissal, right?

 

[Madmannsucks]

But you realize the Ray Allen call alone wasn't the reason for KO's dismissal, right?

I do. I also realize you are not calling me out. You have taken your position from day one, as have I. When you called me out was when you (incorrectly) stated the reason I left a different message board when I started posing here. THAT was factually incorrect. You were wrong then, we'll see who is this time. The cards have been dealt. Let's see who has the better hand.

 

[CL82]

I do. I also realize you are not calling me out. You have taken your position from day one, as have I. When you called me out was when you (incorrectly) stated the reason I left a different message board when I started posing here. THAT was factually incorrect. You were wrong then, we'll see who is this time. The cards have been dealt. Let's see who has the better hand.

You take things pretty personally, don't you?

In any event I note that you didn't answer my question. I'll restate it for you:

You realize the Ray Allen call alone wasn't the reason for KO's dismissal, right?

 

[Madmannsucks]

You take things pretty personally, don't you?

In any event I note that you didn't answer my question. I'll restate it for you:

You realize the Ray Allen call alone wasn't the reason for KO's dismissal, right?

The 1st micro sentence in my reply? I do. I think that was an answer. You may have overlooked THAT. Did I take it personal? I guess enough that I remembered it, and you never acquiesced on that point. S pretty sure I DID answer the question.

 

[CL82]

The 1st micro sentence in my reply? I do. I think that was an answer. You may have overlooked THAT. Did I take it personal? I guess enough that I remembered it, and you never acquiesced on that point. S pretty sure I DID answer the question.

Okay, so if you do realize it, is it a little disingenuous to constantly talk about that point as if were only the only basis for KO's dismissal?

 

[Madmannsucks]

Okay, so if you do realize it, is it a little disingenuous to constantly talk about that point as if were only the only basis for KO's dismissal?

That is another assumption on your part. I have talked about specific reports throughout this. I have also spoken at length about the treatment of JC during his transgressions vs KO's treatment. People state "different contract language", as if the was no conduct clause in JC's contract. We have 2 school's of thought here. One of us will turn out to be right and the other wrong. Having worked with the legal system, nothing would surprise me.

 

[CL82]

That is another assumption on your part.

I can only go by your posts.

 

[Madmannsucks]

I can only go by your posts.

Or cherry picking them.

 

[CL82]

Or cherry picking them.

Again, you seem to take things awfully personally. Here's the thing, if you post to a forum, you pretty much should expect people to comment on your posts.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Again, you seem to take things awfully personally. Here's the thing, if you post to a forum, you pretty much should expect people to comment on your posts.

Here is what I took personally. You posted personal information about me. It was incorrect. Go ask Marc if he banned me or if I removed myself. So yeah when someone does that and posts false personal information, I tend to take that personally. Me saying you are cherry picki9ng my posts is taking things personally? Really? Let's call that an overstatement.

 

[CL82]

Here is what I took personally. You posted personal information about me. It was incorrect. Go ask Marc if he banned me or if I removed myself. So yeah when someone does that and posts false personal information, I tend to take that personally. Me saying you are cherry picki9ng my posts is taking things personally? Really? Let's call that an overstatement.

Ah how would I know anything about you except what you post? All I know is you were difficult over there and had such a grudge against the mod there that you used his name for your handle here but added sucks. It's just a little weird, you know?

But it occurs to me that I've been sucked into a half dozen posts about you feeding your self- obsession. I'm out, but you have a good night

 

[HuskyHawk]

KO’s lawsuit is going down in flames. I suspect it was a last ditch attempt to get UConn to offer him something to make it go away. Either his lawyers absolutely suck or he is a terrible client ignoring their advice. I don’t know which.

For all the whiners who complain about disparate treatment between JC and Ollie, are you aware that disparate treatment is perfectly ok? It’s absolutely fine to treat employees differently unless you do it for an impermissible reason. That’s why there is racism claim here, that’s an impermissible reason. On the other hand, UConn can legally say we looked past JCs issues because he was a hall of fame caliber coach and we didn’t look past Ollie’s because his performance sucked. That is perfectly fine. It’s also a fantastic defense to his absurd racism claim.

 

[UConnDad]

KO’s lawsuit is going down in flames. I suspect it was a last ditch attempt to get UConn to offer him something to make it go away. Either his lawyers absolutely suck or he is a terrible client ignoring their advice. I don’t know which.

For all the whiners who complain about disparate treatment between JC and Ollie, are you aware that disparate treatment is perfectly ok? It’s absolutely fine to treat employees differently unless you do it for an impermissible reason. That’s why there is racism claim here, that’s an impermissible reason. On the other hand, UConn can legally say we looked past JCs issues because he was a hall of fame caliber coach and we didn’t look past Ollie’s because his performance sucked. That is perfectly fine. It’s also a fantastic defense to his absurd racism claim.

Two things come to mind, past practice and unequal treatment. I'm sure these arguments will be presented.