UConn and UNLV to the Big 12?

[hardcorehusky]

if you put 20 years on Cronin and give him a white towel- he will be Jerry Tarkanian's clone. Instead of the Shark all over the Thomas and Mack Center, it will be the angry midget!!

 

[NYUConn]

Shizzle sounds like a kid so maybe we should go easy on him.

Mick can coach. He's beat us more times than I care to look up the numbers on. UNLV has a certain moral flexibility with incoming students that might be a good fit for the angry little man. He could thrive in such a set up and the stress is a lot less, with his known health issues. Interesting - not the B12 part though.

As Mick Cronin once said when Napier beat out Kilpatrick for league MVP, real MVPs are made in March.

Cronin's record at Cincy in conference tournaments and in the NCAA's is atrocious. We aren't talking Jim Boeheim get close and fail bad, this is not make it out of the first weekend bad.

Cincy last won a conference title 12 years and two leagues ago.

If you are happy with 19-22 regular season wins a year and early exits in March, Mick is your guy.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

We laugh at UNLV for all the same reasons people used to laugh at UConn.
UNLV has long term potential for all the same reasons UConn has long term potential.
It's one of the few remaining flagships, and could really get somewhere in 10 years if it wanted to.

Is UNLV considered the flagship for Nevada or is U Nevada (Reno) the flagship? I always thought that Reno was. Could also be a 'dual' flagship like Cal and UCLA.

 

[NYUConn]

Is UNLV considered the flagship for Nevada or is U Nevada (Reno) the flagship? I always thought that Reno was. Could also be a 'dual' flagship like Cal and UCLA.

Wikipedia classifies Reno as the Flag Ship and a land grant university. UNLV is classified as neither and when you look at the discrepancy in endowment - Reno nearly 1/3 larger - it makes sense.

 

[Slasher]

As Mick Cronin once said when Napier beat out Kilpatrick for league MVP, real MVPs are made in March.

Cronin's record at Cincy in conference tournaments and in the NCAA's is atrocious. We aren't talking Jim Boeheim get close and fail bad, this is not make it out of the first weekend bad.

Cincy last won a conference title 12 years and two leagues ago.

If you are happy with 19-22 regular season wins a year and early exits in March, Mick is your guy.

That's not accurate, Cincy won the league title with Louisville the last and only year Louisville was in the league.

 

[Kolumbo]

I just spent a few moments counting the actual number of suckers and finding the starting point which I accomplished by observing the shadow of the truck. Great gif!

 

[NYUConn]

That's not accurate, Cincy won the league title with Louisville the last and only year Louisville was in the league.

Oh I see you are one of those folks who put a lot of value in regular season conference titles and shared ones at that.

I don't remember the last time the NCAA gave out a trophy to the school with the best regular season record, but hey everyone loves a good participation ribbon.

 

[Slasher]

Oh I see you are one of those folks who put a lot of value in regular season conference titles and shared ones at that.

I don't remember the last time the NCAA gave out a trophy to the school with the best regular season record, but hey everyone loves a good participation ribbon.

I don't think I said that. You flatly stated "league title." A regular season title is a "league title." Have some coffee.

 

[NYUConn]

I don't think I said that. You flatly stated "league title." A regular season title is a "league title." Have some coffee.

A league title is winning a conference tournament. That's why the NCAA gives auto-bids to conference tournament champions and makes them the league representative. Being the best regular season team in a conference is nice, but only in that it gives you the inside track to the tournament which is where the league title is awarded.

Also, my point is that he was allergic to winning in March. So I am not sure how pointing to 1 shared regular season first place finish in 10 years at Cincy is a strong refute of my original point.

 

[DudeOfCT]

UNLV isn't the flagship school in Nevada, that would be University of Nevada Reno (known as just Nevada in athletics).

It's part of the UN system along with Nevada.

That is true now, but UNLV has been rapdily overtaking Reno since it separated from Reno in the sixties. Reno has been around much much longer and doesn't have as much to show for its time as UNLV.

 

[TruthNnumbers]

I go away for 2 weeks and come back to UNLV to the Big 12...man I love this board. Next you'll tell me Notre Dame joined the B1G for Hockey.

 

[TruthNnumbers]

A league title is winning a conference tournament. That's why the NCAA gives auto-bids to conference tournament champions and makes them the league representative. Being the best regular season team in a conference is nice, but only in that it gives you the inside track to the tournament which is where the league title is awarded.

Also, my point is that he was allergic to winning in March. So I am not sure how pointing to 1 shared regular season first place finish in 10 years at Cincy is a strong refute of my original point.

Actually I believe each conference made the choice if they wanted to send the regular season or tournament champion. The NCAA has never required that either must be a conferences representative. It just happens that except for the Ivy League all have declared their tournament champion will be their auto-bid. The Ivy will go to a tournament champion next year I think. Anyway my understanding is that it was left up to the conferences. Your point is still valid, just not because the NCAA says so. : )

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I'm pretty sure that the NCAA offers the auto bid to the conference tournament champion if that conference holds a tournament. The conference itself can call as many teams as it wants champion but only one gets recognition from the NCAA (by getting an auto-bid to their tournament).

 

[TruthNnumbers]

I'm pretty sure that the NCAA offers the auto bid to the conference tournament champion if that conference holds a tournament. The conference itself can call as many teams as it wants champion but only one gets recognition from the NCAA (by getting an auto-bid to their tournament).

I'm just going by what Kenny Smith said during this years tournament coverage...if he was wrong ok.

 

[CallMeBruce]

A league title is winning a conference tournament. That's why the NCAA gives auto-bids to conference tournament champions and makes them the league representative. Being the best regular season team in a conference is nice, but only in that it gives you the inside track to the tournament which is where the league title is awarded.

Also, my point is that he was allergic to winning in March. So I am not sure how pointing to 1 shared regular season first place finish in 10 years at Cincy is a strong refute of my original point.

This is absolute nonsense. By any reasonable parlance, winning your league's regular season title is a "league title." It's far more representative of a team's quality than their performance in a single-elimination tournament. An the reason the NCAA gives auto-bids for conference tournaments is because they want people to watch conference tournaments.

 

[tiger paw]

Hand writing is on the wall for Cronin. Cincy headed for B12. With that comes 2o-25 million increase in revenue. The can now hire a top notch / name coach. Just like Rutgers just did. P-5 programs find a coach they like and lure them away. Non P-5 teams takes what is available.

 

[Waquoit]

This is absolute nonsense. By any reasonable parlance, winning your league's regular season title is a "league title."

Exactly. UConn has two D-1 League titles in FB and we think of them as more than participation ribbons.

 

[djct1999]

Hand writing is on the wall for Cronin. Cincy headed for B12. With that comes 2o-25 million increase in revenue. The can now hire a top notch / name coach. Just like Rutgers just did. P-5 programs find a coach they like and lure them away. Non P-5 teams takes what is available.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[FDNY99]

Hand writing is on the wall for Cronin. Cincy headed for B12. With that comes 2o-25 million increase in revenue. The can now hire a top notch / name coach. Just like Rutgers just did. P-5 programs find a coach they like and lure them away. Non P-5 teams takes what is available.

Stay away from the keyboard when you drink...we used to have a guy here that made posts like this...his name was HFD.

 

[NYUConn]

Exactly. UConn has two D-1 League titles in FB and we think of them as more than participation ribbons.

I only count one league title in football. Shared titles mean nothing if you don't get the BCS bid.

 

[ZOOCONN]

Oh I see you are one of those folks who put a lot of value in regular season conference titles and shared ones at that.

I don't remember the last time the NCAA gave out a trophy to the school with the best regular season record, but hey everyone loves a good participation ribbon.

uhhhhh both our football conference titles in the big east were shared and people claim those with pride...

 

[CAHUSKY]

That is true now, but UNLV has been rapdily overtaking Reno since it separated from Reno in the sixties. Reno has been around much much longer and doesn't have as much to show for its time as UNLV.

Huh? In what universe is UNLV overtaking Nevada? Can you give an example?

 

[Ldandy]

This is absolute nonsense. By any reasonable parlance, winning your league's regular season title is a "league title." It's far more representative of a team's quality than their performance in a single-elimination tournament. An the reason the NCAA gives auto-bids for conference tournaments is because they want people to watch conference tournaments.

Yeah that's my take as well. You have a regular season champion and a conference tournament champion. If by some miracle BC won The ACC Tournament this season they would get the auto bid to the tournament. That said no one outside of Chestnut Hill would be proclaiming BC as ACC Champions. Conference Tournaments are a made for TV construct. They are a money grab. Last I checked there is already a way to determine a conference champion. its called W/L Record.

 

[NYUConn]

uhhhhh both our football conference titles in the big east were shared and people claim those with pride...

Also this is an apples and oranges argument because there was no Big East football title game. Had their been a postseason game to determine the Big East champion, regular season titles shared or otherwise would be irrelevant.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Also this is an apples and oranges argument because there was no Big East football title game. Had their been a postseason game to determine the Big East champion, regular season titles shared or otherwise would be irrelevant.

No, you're still wrong. Regular season titles are titles. The schools count them. Stop being deliberately obtuse to support your nonsense argument that Cincinnati hasn't won any league titles since 2004. You made a mistake. Man up, admit it, and stop digging.

 

[NYUConn]

No, you're still wrong. Regular season titles are titles. The schools count them. Stop being deliberately obtuse to support your nonsense argument that Cincinnati hasn't won any league titles since 2004. You made a mistake. Man up, admit it, and stop digging.

If it makes you feel better to acknowledge one single tie for first place in regular season play as a league title then congratulations, you've completely blown my argument apart. Never mind that my point in the first place was that Mick Cronin is a choke artist in March, but congrats man you won an argument on the internet!

Mick Cronin is worth every penny, guys! He once shared a league title in 10 years of coaching.

 

[CallMeBruce]

If it makes you feel better to acknowledge one single tie for first place in regular season play as a league title then congratulations, you've completely blown my argument apart. Never mind that my point in the first place was that Mick Cronin is a choke artist in March, but congrats man you won an argument on the internet!

Mick Cronin is worth every penny, guys! He once shared a league title in 10 years of coaching.

And the last resort of the idiot: bashing a strawman. Look, you made a minor factual error. It was pointed out to you. You could have said "OK, one conference title in the last 12 years, still unimpressive," and you would have been right. Instead, you decided to create this new nonsense argument where you pretend that regular season titles don't count, that everyone knows you don't really believe, because it's insane. Get it together, man.

 

[NYUConn]

And the last resort of the idiot: bashing a strawman. Look, you made a minor factual error. It was pointed out to you. You could have said "OK, one conference title in the last 12 years, still unimpressive," and you would have been right. Instead, you decided to create this new nonsense argument where you pretend that regular season titles don't count, that everyone knows you don't really believe, because it's insane. Get it together, man.

Ok, I was being a bit of a jerk there. Needed my coffee. Here's what I will say on the topic and then we can move on to talking about how insane the idea of UNLV in P5 is.

I don't believe regular season titles should count, but for the purpose of our argument I'll concede to you that most people do count them. But I don't think it's irrational or nonsensical to hold my opinion.

I get the argument that people put forward that says a league title is impressive because it means that you were able to go the distance over 2-3 months and have the best record and that teams just "get hot" and win conference tournaments.

But the inverse argument is that teams miss key players during the season and that skews their win/loss record.

Case in point: this year's UConn team. Temple beat us twice without Amida Brimah en route to a conference title.

When the tournament rolled around and UConn had a fully healthy roster we ultimately won and secured the at-large NCAA bid.

So you can make an argument both ways here and I personally believe that regular season titles don't carry much water in an era of postseason conference tournaments.

Same goes for football. Winning the old 8-team Big East with a shared title was an acceptable definition of winning the league because there was no other way determining who the true champion was (though I would argue that in 2007 our 'shared' title with WVU was kind of BS since they beat us head-to-head).

But nobody would claim that the 6-6 Georgia Tech football team that lost the ACC title game to Florida State in 2012 were "League Champions" just because they won their division.

So why should we give Temple the honor of "League Champs" when they immediately lost in the conference tournament and had to rely on an at-large bid?

It doesn't make sense to me. You can be a great regular season team, but the beauty of sports is that if you can't get it done in the postseason when it matters, then nobody will remember you.

One Love.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Huh? In what universe is UNLV overtaking Nevada? Can you give an example?

Should everything move to a P4 arrangement with 16 to 20 schools per conference, I think UNLV has a shot at being part of the PAC, especially if they can only grab 2 or fewer XII schools. There are simply not that many available markets for the PAC to expand into (excluding cities in Texas, San Diego is the largest market left to the PAC followed by Vegas) and while Nevada (Reno) is the better school overall, Las Vegas is the country's 42nd largest TV market and adds all of the glitz that Vegas carriers while Reno is not even in the top 100 (#106).

 

[CAHUSKY]

Should everything move to a P4 arrangement with 16 to 20 schools per conference, I think UNLV has a shot at being part of the PAC, especially if they can only grab 2 or fewer XII schools. There are simply not that many available markets for the PAC to expand into (excluding cities in Texas, San Diego is the largest market left to the PAC followed by Vegas) and while Nevada (Reno) is the better school overall, Las Vegas is the country's 42nd largest TV market and adds all of the glitz that Vegas carriers while Reno is not even in the top 100 (#106).

He was talking about the university, not TV markets as far as I could tell. If his point was Vegas has more people than Reno...........great observation.