UConn/ACC

[ramses 2.0]

Name me one basketball first school that has a traditionally great football program. Not one that pops up every couple of years, but one that has had many sustained success.

BTW - As a Detroit Lions fan, I know the what if game and this year we will be good game.

UNC has never had a "GREAT" football tradition but they haven't been terrible either. We just hired a sub par AD after Swofford & allowed him to stay to long. He hired 2 bad coaches in a row & the third helped get us in the mess we have now. He almost screwed up the bball program & how is that possible at a blue blood program?

 

[dayooper]

UNC has never had a "GREAT" football tradition but they haven't been terrible either. We just hired a sub par AD after Swofford & allowed him to stay to long. He hired 2 bad coaches in a row & the third helped get us in the mess we have now. He almost screwed up the bball program & how is that possible at a blue blood program?

Thanks for the perspective. No, they haven't been terrible, but they haven't been great either. UNC has won 5 ACC football championships, the last being in 1980. I do remember them being in "Judgement Day" in 1997 when four of the top five rated (and all unbeaten) played on the same day. They have had some nice players come into the NFL. My Lions drafted Eric Ebron this year. I hope they don't ruin his career before it even starts.

Trust me, I feel your pain on ADs being around too long. Michigan hasn't had a popular on in decades. Tom Goss was a disaster, Bill Martin had a hard time finding a football coach (he did hire Coach Beilein, though) and current AD Dave Brandon is alienating everyone.

 

[upstater]

What I was referring to would be executed by NBC Sports rather than Notre Dame. Notre Dame and NBC have already agreed to license ND football games to a possible ACC Channel with ESPN, so if they agree to doing it with ESPN, doing it on NBC instead doesn't bother them as long as they aren't represented as a football member. They might even want to put Hockey East stuff on it. Boston College might as well. Who knows?

I know a lot of former Big East fans and UConn fans don't like Notre Dame and complain about the relationship they had in the Big East and feel betrayed, but their presence did allow the Big East to have the Gator Bowl. That bowl wouldn't have signed with the Big East if Notre Dame wasn't a choice for them every few years. Same thing now for the ACC with the Gator Bowl and Capital One Bowl. Would it be better if they were full members for ACC football? Sure. But I don't lose sleep over it. They've never played a football game in Virginia. I think it kind of nice that they now will be doing so. I try to look at the positive with Notre Dame. But they do look out for themselves first. You aren't wrong about that.

The Gator Bowl? That's like saying, "I know they shivved your dog, but remember that bag of M&Mds they gave you?"

 

[Calamitous]

UNC has never had a "GREAT" football tradition but they haven't been terrible either.

I've never understood UNC football. Year after year they grab great 5-star talent but always seem to underachieve except for the '97 team. They consistently steal high profile prospects from UVa and VT in the 757 area. This year might be a good year for the Heels in football though... but not good enough to beat FSU in the ACCCG.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Thanks for the perspective. No, they haven't been terrible, but they haven't been great either. UNC has won 5 ACC football championships, the last being in 1980. I do remember them being in "Judgement Day" in 1997 when four of the top five rated (and all unbeaten) played on the same day. They have had some nice players come into the NFL. My Lions drafted Eric Ebron this year. I hope they don't ruin his career before it even starts.

Trust me, I feel your pain on ADs being around too long. Michigan hasn't had a popular one in decades. Tom Goss was a disaster, Bill Martin had a hard time finding a football coach (he did hire Coach Beilein, though) and current AD Dave Brandon is alienating everyone.

Add the many competing factions within UNC doesn't help either. Some would rather adopt the Ivy League model & some want to be more like the SEC or B12

 

[RegisteredUconn]

UNC has never had a "GREAT" football tradition but they haven't been terrible either. We just hired a sub par AD after Swofford & allowed him to stay to long. He hired 2 bad coaches in a row & the third helped get us in the mess we have now. He almost screwed up the bball program & how is that possible at a blue blood program?

Given the "credits for not showing up" educational method employed by the athletic dept., how did he manage to only "almost" screw up? How is it he didn't thoroughly screw up?

 

[ramses 2.0]

[QUOathletic steredUconn, post: 1024158, member: 1477"]Given the "credits for not showing up" educational method employed by the athletic dept., how did he manage to only "almost" screw up? How is it he didn't thoroughly screw up?[/QUOTE]
The athletic dept has only minimum oversight over academic support, that was overseen by the Dean of College of Art&Sciences & currently a stand alone department & the director reports to the Provost only. So the AD can monitor students but has no control over advisement, course selection etc

 

[dayooper]

The athletic dept has only minimum oversight over academic support, that was overseen by the Dean of College of Art&Sciences & currently a stand alone department & the director reports to the Provost only. So the AD can monitor students but has no control over advisement, course selection etc

Technically speaking, yes. In reality, athletic departments have great control over the scheduling of their athletes. During my playing years, the department sets when certain classes that many athletes take meet so practices can happen. I played D2, for what it's worth. Coaches will tell what programs athletes should take. Some programs won't let athletes take certain majors.

If the UNC stuff proves to be true (I am reserving judgement, Michigan's "Stretchgate Scandal" taught me that), than I have no doubt that The AD knew about it, at least.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Technically speaking, yes. In reality, athletic departments have great control over the scheduling of their athletes. During my playing years, the department sets when certain classes that many athletes take meet so practices can happen. I played D2, for what it's worth. Coaches will tell what programs athletes should take. Some programs won't let athletes take certain majors.

If the UNC stuff proves to be true (I am reserving judgement, Michigan's "Stretchgate Scandal" taught me that), than I have no doubt that The AD knew about it, at least.

Until a couple yrs ago the ath drpt had a minor oversight of student services. When I was a athlete there my coaches had little impact as far as the classes I took. Of course they were aware of certain things but everything from advisement, tutoring etc was handled thru the College of Arts & Sciences. Now the dept has no oversight of student services& is considered a dept of the chief academic officer. But that doesn't abstain the AD from guilt per se. If he didn't know he should have

 

[CoastAtlantic]

I would hope that the admins there have learned that pride comes before a fall. Otherwise, it would be a long road back. For everyone's sake, as well.

Anyway, news on the ACC/ND scheduling agreement:

The ACC and Notre Dame are expected to finalize details for the remainder of their 60-game contract soon. ACC senior associate commissioner Michael Strickland said the conference will likely have dates and sites for the fourth, fifth and six years of the deal and years and sites for the back half of the contract. Under the agreement, which begins this year, Notre Dame will play every ACC school four times, home and away, through 2025. The ACC-Notre Dame games have already been scheduled for 2014-2016.

An announcement could come in August.

http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/201...ized/?ecmp=ajc_social_twitter_2014_sports_sfp

 

[huskypantz]

I would hope that the admins there have learned that pride comes before a fall. Otherwise, it would be a long road back. For everyone's sake, as well.

Anyway, news on the ACC/ND scheduling agreement:

The ACC and Notre Dame are expected to finalize details for the remainder of their 60-game contract soon. ACC senior associate commissioner Michael Strickland said the conference will likely have dates and sites for the fourth, fifth and six years of the deal and years and sites for the back half of the contract. Under the agreement, which begins this year, Notre Dame will play every ACC school four times, home and away, through 2025. The ACC-Notre Dame games have already been scheduled for 2014-2016.

An announcement could come in August.

http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/201...ized/?ecmp=ajc_social_twitter_2014_sports_sfp

Can we get conspiracy kitty to review the math on this one?

 

[pj]

Can we get conspiracy kitty to review the math on this one?

"The ACC and Notre Dame are expected to finalize details for the remainder of their 60-game contract soon. ACC senior associate commissioner Michael Strickland said the conference will likely have dates and sites for the fourth, fifth and six years of the deal and years and sites for the back half of the contract. Under the agreement, which begins this year, Notre Dame will play every ACC school four times, home and away, through 2025. The ACC-Notre Dame games have already been scheduled for 2014-2016."​

Conspiracy Kitty says, it's a 60-game contract with 4 games against each ACC school. 60/4 = 15. So the ACC is expecting to have 15 teams through much of the contract period.

Conspiracy Kitty says, it's going to be tough for our athletes to have to play in the B1G and ACC at the same time!

 

[amory]

The more I think about the possibility of joining the B1G the less I like it. I mean sure I'd be pretty happy if it were announced today that we don't have to play in the American anymore, but I really hope we get into the ACC eventually. I don't care about the B1G programs. Sure it's fun to change it up and play them every now and again, but imagine playing Syracuse, Louisville, Duke, Pitt, UNC, BC, etc etc every year. Those are games with history and venom. Those are the games you want to see every year as the meat and potatoes of a football/basketball schedule.

 

[SixRings]

The more I think about the possibility of joining the B1G the less I like it. I mean sure I'd be pretty happy if it were announced today that we don't have to play in the American anymore, but I really hope we get into the ACC eventually. I don't care about the B1G programs. Sure it's fun to change it up and play them every now and again, but imagine playing Syracuse, Louisville, Duke, Pitt, UNC, BC, etc etc every year. Those are games with history and venom. Those are the games you want to see every year as the meat and potatoes of a football/basketball schedule.

ACC = Rat faced f---s.

 

[RatholeMA]

ACC = Rat faced f---s.

I feel like I've just been insulted.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

The more I think about the possibility of joining the B1G the less I like it. I mean sure I'd be pretty happy if it were announced today that we don't have to play in the American anymore, but I really hope we get into the ACC eventually. I don't care about the B1G programs. Sure it's fun to change it up and play them every now and again, but imagine playing Syracuse, Louisville, Duke, Pitt, UNC, BC, etc etc every year. Those are games with history and venom. Those are the games you want to see every year as the meat and potatoes of a football/basketball schedule.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
The ACC for basketball would be okay. For football it's the Big a East redux.
Only one football team in that conference gets the state of Ct interested in Football.
Even FSU was a commuter school until the 1960's.
We've played all those schools in football as the fans in Ct slept.
The most excitement ever for a UConn football game was Mich.
That game took place at a low point for Football in the state. Imagine the price of tickets with a decent coach.
Sorry the ACC just doesn 't do it.
The Best team far in away in the ACC is FSU, in Ct BC would be number two,
After we beat them 5 years in a row that game would be a bore. Rutgers actually has bigger potential as the battle for NY. Especially in western Ct.
Everyone else Is a yawner in the ACC.
Compare
Penn State,OSU,Mich,Nebraska,
MSU,Wisc,Iowa,Rutgers,Maryland
Indiana,Purdue,Minn,NWL.,Ill.

 

[NickyNewark]

The more I think about the possibility of joining the B1G the less I like it. I mean sure I'd be pretty happy if it were announced today that we don't have to play in the American anymore, but I really hope we get into the ACC eventually. I don't care about the B1G programs. Sure it's fun to change it up and play them every now and again, but imagine playing Syracuse, Louisville, Duke, Pitt, UNC, BC, etc etc every year. Those are games with history and venom. Those are the games you want to see every year as the meat and potatoes of a football/basketball schedule.

Well put you're hat in hand and check with Swoffy....he might be able to use you in his PR dept!?! He needs it here in B1G country....talk about historic.

 

[amory]

I simply feel that, geographically and culturally, UConn has no business in a league dominated by midwestern football powerhouse schools that we have little to no history with.

My opinion of John Swofford doesn't factor into which schools I want to see us play on a regular basis. We have great rivalries with schools I love to hate, and I'd love to see those rivalries sustained well into the future.

I also disagree with the idea that an ACC football schedule couldn't fill the Rent. Success on the field is what is going to ultimately bring people to games. UConn could quickly become a real competitor in the ACC. I love UConn as much as anyone, but getting into the B1G does NOT mean we'd ever be a true football competitor in the B1G. I am not interested in being a perennial bottom dweller in a football obsessed conference.

The ACC would give us time to grow our football program and have some success, which would lead to better recruiting, which would lead to more success.

Wanting UConn to join the B1G because ACC football just isn't "good enough" for our program (which as you may recall has gone 13-23 against mediocre competition in the past 3 years) is absurd.

 

[buddy]

I simply feel that, geographically and culturally, UConn has no business in a league dominated by midwestern football powerhouse schools that we have little to no history with.

My opinion of John Swofford doesn't factor into which schools I want to see us play on a regular basis. We have great rivalries with schools I love to hate, and I'd love to see those rivalries sustained well into the future.

I also disagree with the idea that an ACC football schedule couldn't fill the Rent. Success on the field is what is going to ultimately bring people to games. UConn could quickly become a real competitor in the ACC. I love UConn as much as anyone, but getting into the B1G does NOT mean we'd ever be a true football competitor in the B1G. I am not interested in being a perennial bottom dweller in a football obsessed conference.

The ACC would give us time to grow our football program and have some success, which would lead to better recruiting, which would lead to more success.

Wanting UConn to join the B1G because ACC football just isn't "good enough" for our program (which as you may recall has gone 13-23 against mediocre competition in the past 3 years) is absurd.

I don't believe that UConn would turn down an invite to the ACC at this time. A successful and dynamic football program and team would fill the Rent no matter whom they are playing.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

I simply feel that, geographically and culturally, UConn has no business in a league dominated by midwestern football powerhouse schools that we have little to no history with.

My opinion of John Swofford doesn't factor into which schools I want to see us play on a regular basis. We have great rivalries with schools I love to hate, and I'd love to see those rivalries sustained well into the future.

I also disagree with the idea that an ACC football schedule couldn't fill the Rent. Success on the field is what is going to ultimately bring people to games. UConn could quickly become a real competitor in the ACC. I love UConn as much as anyone, but getting into the B1G does NOT mean we'd ever be a true football competitor in the B1G. I am not interested in being a perennial bottom dweller in a football obsessed conference.

The ACC would give us time to grow our football program and have some success, which would lead to better recruiting, which would lead to more success.

Wanting UConn to join the B1G because ACC football just isn't "good enough" for our program (which as you may recall has gone 13-23 against mediocre competition in the past 3 years) is absurd.

Based on your argument, we should have dropped out of the Big East in BB after Perno's four loosing seasons in a row. Maybe the A10 is were we belonged.
Okay somewhat of a straw-man but we did have some fans with that position.
BC has floundered in the ACC because of lack of culturally identify among other things. How would they be doing in the B1G. Its a scary thought.
Culturally we have much more in common with the Midwest than the south.
Especially the eastern Midwest. Northern Ohio was considered Connecticut's Western Reserve.
Northern Ohio,northern Ind,and Mich were populated by New England settlers, many towns bear the same names as their New England homes.Even in the last great European migration ,the industrial areas in New England,and the Midwest were favorite destinations. Families often splitting. Illinois and Connecticut both have large Polish populations. Groups bring their culture with them and to a degree change the existing culture. The same can be said for,the Irish,Germans,Italians and Jews.
Until the last 30 years finding a Catholic Church south of Maryland was difficult.
The B1G is a much better cultural fit. Will it be in 20 years? I don 't know.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

I simply feel that, geographically and culturally, UConn has no business in a league dominated by midwestern football powerhouse schools that we have little to no history with.

My opinion of John Swofford doesn't factor into which schools I want to see us play on a regular basis. We have great rivalries with schools I love to hate, and I'd love to see those rivalries sustained well into the future.

I also disagree with the idea that an ACC football schedule couldn't fill the Rent. Success on the field is what is going to ultimately bring people to games. UConn could quickly become a real competitor in the ACC. I love UConn as much as anyone, but getting into the B1G does NOT mean we'd ever be a true football competitor in the B1G. I am not interested in being a perennial bottom dweller in a football obsessed conference.

The ACC would give us time to grow our football program and have some success, which would lead to better recruiting, which would lead to more success.

Wanting UConn to join the B1G because ACC football just isn't "good enough" for our program (which as you may recall has gone 13-23 against mediocre competition in the past 3 years) is absurd.

Thank you. ACC is a better fit for UConn, long term. Btw, the Maryland lawsuit was settled today.

http://www.theacc.com/#!/news-detail/agreement_08-08-14_lryjmo

I believe that the ACC is strong going forward. Both Maryland and the B1G realize it and decided not to fight this any further. The money isn't the biggest deal it is that everyone else agreed to commit to the conference with the Grant of Rights, just like the B1G, B12 and PAC-12 did similarly.

amory, I hope wiser heads prevail within the ACC and UConn would be the next one called up.

 

[NickyNewark]

Thank you. ACC is a better fit for UConn, long term. Btw, the Maryland lawsuit was settled today.

http://www.theacc.com/#!/news-detail/agreement_08-08-14_lryjmo

I believe that the ACC is strong going forward. Both Maryland and the B1G realize it and decided not to fight this any further. The money isn't the biggest deal it is that everyone else agreed to commit to the conference with the Grant of Rights, just like the B1G, B12 and PAC-12 did similarly.

amory, I hope wiser heads prevail within the ACC and UConn would be the next one called up.

Trouble is though its tough associating the word wisdom with the ACC in CR moves??

 

[bingethinker]

Both Maryland and the B1G realize it and decided not to fight this any further. The money isn't the biggest deal it is that everyone else agreed to commit to the conference with the Grant of Rights, just like the B1G, B12 and PAC-12 did similarly.

The ACC shoots for $52 million and settles for $31 million because Maryland just gave up?

 

[BoatShow]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
The ACC for basketball would be okay. For football it's the Big a East redux.
Only one football team in that conference gets the state of Ct interested in Football.
Even FSU was a commuter school until the 1960's.
We've played all those schools in football as the fans in Ct slept.
The most excitement ever for a UConn football game was Mich.
That game took place at a low point for Football in the state. Imagine the price of tickets with a decent coach.
Sorry the ACC just doesn 't do it.
The Best team far in away in the ACC is FSU, in Ct BC would be number two,
After we beat them 5 years in a row that game would be a bore. Rutgers actually has bigger potential as the battle for NY. Especially in western Ct.
Everyone else Is a yawner in the ACC.
Compare
Penn State,OSU,Mich,Nebraska,
MSU,Wisc,Iowa,Rutgers,Maryland
Indiana,Purdue,Minn,NWL.,Ill.

If by slept you mean sold out nearly every game.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

NC State with a new indoor practice facility

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/08/12/4067425/nc-state-dedicates-new-indoor.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1

 

[FDNY99]

NC State with a new indoor practice facility

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/08/12/4067425/nc-state-dedicates-new-indoor.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1

I love the cost of this..$17.2 Million...just like Jerry jones paid less for Jerry land than the Giants & Jets paid for Met Life (which is significantly smaller than Jerry Land). But as Jones told a friend of mine last year in his box during a game...if he had built his place in the northeast it would have been the most expensive sports stadium ever. The cost of living up here makes all of our projects more expensive..we all know that. That is one thing that MD and RU (especially RU) will have to deal with in keeping up with the Jones's of the B1G. It's all just the cost of doing business I guess.

 

[CL82]

Being in league predominently consisting of land grant institutions, with best TV deal and all the stablility that goes along with that, seems to me to be a better choice than being in an odd conglomeration of publics and privates, with the worst TV deal of the major conferences and with ND having one foot in the door and the other out. We've already done the latter and it didn't turn out so well the last time.

If the ACC offers tomorrow I'd take it in an instant, but if I have a choice the B1G seems to be the smarter long term decision.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/174594

John Thrasher, president of Florida State University, said ACC presidents will meet next week and among the topic is an ACC Network.

“There is a lot of work that has got to go into it. You think of the number of states you would have to bring together; the cable networks and all of that,” said Thrasher. “It’s a very complex operation but we met with one of the consultants and we’re excited about it.”

The ACC broadcast footprint stretches from Boston to Miami and the Atlantic to Ohio and has more television households and population than any other conference. Meanwhile the market is booming; demand among advertisers has never been higher, as seen in the astronomical rights fees broadcasters are paying.

“Revenue, revenue, revenue, you’ve got to look for revenue in this business and that (an ACC Network) is certainly one,” said Thrasher. “I think it has been pretty successful for the Southeastern Conference and the ones out west. So, we’re excited.”

Put Cincinnati and UConn in this league and watch this puppy sprint (pun slightly intended).

 

[1999.2004.2011]

http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/174594

John Thrasher, president of Florida State University, said ACC presidents will meet next week and among the topic is an ACC Network.

“There is a lot of work that has got to go into it. You think of the number of states you would have to bring together; the cable networks and all of that,” said Thrasher. “It’s a very complex operation but we met with one of the consultants and we’re excited about it.”

The ACC broadcast footprint stretches from Boston to Miami and the Atlantic to Ohio and has more television households and population than any other conference. Meanwhile the market is booming; demand among advertisers has never been higher, as seen in the astronomical rights fees broadcasters are paying.

“Revenue, revenue, revenue, you’ve got to look for revenue in this business and that (an ACC Network) is certainly one,” said Thrasher. “I think it has been pretty successful for the Southeastern Conference and the ones out west. So, we’re excited.”

Put Cincinnati and UConn in this league and watch this puppy sprint (pun slightly intended).

I hate the ACC as much as any other UConn fan, but if they offered we'd clearly have to accept it....or use it to parlay an invite from the B1G!

 

[Fairfield 1st]

Agreed...But never gonna happen