Twitter vs ESPN

[VPDcurt]

Who is going to set up all the "infrastructure" at a live event to make this happen? Think about all the stuff that goes into each game, like the cables suspended over the field and cameras runnning along them. Having HuskyHawk on the sidelines of the Rent with one hand on an iPhone 7 Plus and the other hand down his pants is not going to cut it for most viewers. I don't think twitter has all of this locked up yet. They must be paying for the rights to use someone else's feed, right?

 

[MountainMan]

What are they paying for those games and who is producing them.

Looks like 0 and not Twitter.

Call me when there is a way to make actual money.

From my basic understanding Twitter makes money differently as far as advertising goes. That was in the article where they purchased NFL games and letting the NFL keep some of the advertising income from commercials.

As far as production if you had read the article it was quite clear. Mountain West Network. Campus Insiders, PAC Universities, ACC Digital Network, etc...

This change has been going on for a few of years and it's obvious Twitter is focusing on live college sports looking at what has happened the last 2 months If you want to pretend none of this is happening or that it's all getting done for free you are entitled to your opinion but I can assure you there is $ involved. Heck broadcasting an Air Force football game probably had at least a few people watching. I have no doubt BTN will be next to look at other options like this.



So are you just trolling or do you really believe none of this is actually happening?

 

[VPDcurt]

As far as production if you had read the article it was quite clear. Mountain West Network. Campus Insiders, PAC Universities, ACC Digital Network, etc..

I understood that from the article but I find it very hard to believe that Campus Insiders (never heard of them until now), the PAC universities, etc are going to be able to deliver such a high quality product in terms of video quality and magnitude (angles, replays, HD, graphics, stats, etc). It seems like quite a bit of overhead for entities like the universities.

 

[MountainMan]

Who is going to set up all the "infrastructure" at a live event to make this happen? Think about all the stuff that goes into each game, like the cables suspended over the field and cameras runnning along them. Having HuskyHawk on the sidelines of the Rent with one hand on an iPhone 7 Plus and the other hand down his pants is not going to cut it for most viewers. I don't think twitter has all of this locked up yet. They must be paying for the rights to use someone else's feed, right?

For the PACN it's the individual schools. I assume it's the same for the Mountain West Network, and ACC Digital Network. Campus Insiders also does some of the production. Each of those articles touches on production.

 

[MountainMan]

I understood that from the article but I find it very hard to believe that Campus Insiders (never heard of them until now), the PAC universities, etc are going to be able to deliver such a high quality product in terms of video quality and magnitude (angles, replays, HD, graphics, stats, etc). It seems like quite a bit of overhead for entities like the universities.

You asked so I repeated it. I believe Campus Insiders has been doing this for a while so this is nothing new.

Campus Insiders Offers Unique Media Training For Students
CHICAGO, IL – Campus Insiders has joined forces with its conference partners including the Patriot League and West Coast Conference to provide students with a unique learning experience.

Campus Insiders is working directly with students of the Patriot League and West Coast Conference member schools to produce live sporting events. Students will gain hands on media experience by either assisting the Campus Insiders production team on site or by producing the game on their own with the use of Campus Insiders professional equipment and direction. These television quality productions will stream live across the Campus Insiders Network including the official Patriot League Network on CampusInsiders.com and the Patriot League and Campus Insiders mobile apps. Select games will also be made available on the Campus Insiders channels on Roku, AppleTV, Amazon Fire and Go90.

Boston University, a member of the Patriot League, has led the effort by creating a formal partnership with its College of Communication’s BUTV10 to produce more than 100 live sporting events on the Patriot League Network each academic year. Students from Boston University work alongside members of their athletic department, as well as Campus Insiders’ producers, to execute the production of live games for their school.

Another indication are some of teh on campus studios that we have seen such as the project ant North Carolina State that was put out to bid before the ACC Network was announced.

 

[VPDcurt]

Interesting. Students. So the feeds are going to suck in August, slowly get better until May and then start all over again come August.

 

[MountainMan]

Campus Insiders

Looks like they already do production for the ACC and Big 12 digital networks as well as other conferences like the Mountain West, CUSA, Patriot, etc...

In fact UConn will be playing on one of thier networks today.
1:00 pm
Connecticut at Boston University
Field Hockey

 

[MountainMan]

Interesting. Students. So the feeds are going to suck in August, slowly get better until May and then start all over again come August.

Snap out of it man. This has been going on for quite some time. Go jump on thier website and see what it's about. More than likely you have watched one of thier games and just didn't' know it.

Students do production work on many of these conference networks, especially for sports with limited appeal. There is nobody running the sidelines with an I phone.

 

[VPDcurt]

Snap out of it man. This has been going on for quite some time. Go jump on thier website and see what it's about. More than likely you have watched one of thier games and just didn't' know it.

Students do production work on many of these conference networks, especially for sports with limited appeal. There is nobody running the sidelines with an I phone.

Just watched a bit of the Villanova v. Lafayette football game from yesterday I believe. It's nice for FCS but I cannot imaging watching FBS football like that. It's decent but there is a significant difference in quality. I guess the old adage holds: you get what you pay for.

 

[whaler11]

From my basic understanding Twitter makes money differently as far as advertising goes. That was in the article where they purchased NFL games and letting the NFL keep some of the advertising income from commercials.

As far as production if you had read the article it was quite clear. Mountain West Network. Campus Insiders, PAC Universities, ACC Digital Network, etc...

This change has been going on for a few of years and it's obvious Twitter is focusing on live college sports looking at what has happened the last 2 months If you want to pretend none of this is happening or that it's all getting done for free you are entitled to your opinion but I can assure you there is $ involved. Heck broadcasting an Air Force football game probably had at least a few people watching. I have no doubt BTN will be next to look at other options like this.



So are you just trolling or do you really believe none of this is actually happening?

How is it trolling to point out that Twitter doesn't pay to stream this stuff and they don't do the production?

Yeah they stream stuff you can already stream on CI.

None of this is the earth shattering change you are claiming it to be.

Call me when people actually make money and not when they are streaming volleyball games so that the player's families can watch.

 

[MountainMan]

How is it trolling to point out that Twitter doesn't pay to stream this stuff and they don't do the production?

Yeah they stream stuff you can already stream on CI.

None of this is the earth shattering change you are claiming it to be.

Call me when people actually make money and not when they are streaming volleyball games so that the player's families can watch.

It is actually earth shattering that live college sports will be viewed on Twitter and Hulu. You can continue to pretend otherwise but it represents a major change in how we watch live sports and we are likely only seeing the top of this iceberg.

Most of us realized twitter is not doing the production. Why would they? You can continue to dwell on that or you can accept that in the new era of TV the company who broadcasts does not always do the production. Been that way for years with on campus production of events. Where have you been?

Do you really not think UT students do some production work on LHN?

You have to keep in mind this is evolving so the company who streams/broadcasts games doesn't' always do the production. BTN produces content (with student help) and then sells it elsewhere as well. This is nothing new.

Call me when yo do some research on this so we can have a real conversation instead of you just claiming it will never work.

Do you think the NFL let Twitter stream football games for free? LOL

 

[MountainMan]

You seem shocked that a FCS game is not broadcast the same way a p-5 matchup on ABC is broadcast. Have you never watched FCS or low level FBS games?

Almost all the olympic sports content on conference networks is like that as well. Has nothing to do with Twitter. Mid major sports have been that way for decades. LOL.

If you are expecting field hockey to look like a p-5 football game as far as production you are going to be disappointed.

Honestly it's really strange that you would expect a villanova vs lafayette FB game to be a quality production. Why are you shocked by the level of production in that game? Seriously. Why?

Twitter and Hulu are just testing the waters with inexpensive college sports content right now. Won't' be long until they are putting better more valuable content. Already have FBS football games so it's obvious they are moving that direction.

IT's funny looking at how we differ. I think we are seeing the beginning of a huge change in how we watch live sports and you guys seem to think this will never work and just a fad that will pass. I guess we will see who is right the next few years.

Just watched a bit of the Villanova v. Lafayette football game from yesterday I believe. It's nice for FCS but I cannot imaging watching FBS football like that. It's decent but there is a significant difference in quality. I guess the old adage holds: you get what you pay for.

 

[whaler11]

It is actually earth shattering that live college sports will be viewed on Twitter and Hulu. You can continue to pretend otherwise but it represents a major change in how we watch live sports and we are likely only seeing the top of this iceberg.

Most of us realized twitter is not doing the production. Why would they? You can continue to dwell on that or you can accept that in the new era of TV the company who broadcasts does not always do the production. Been that way for years with on campus production of events. Where have you been?

Do you really not think UT students do some production work on LHN?

You have to keep in mind this is evolving so the company who streams/broadcasts games doesn't' always do the production. BTN produces content (with student help) and then sells it elsewhere as well. This is nothing new.

Call me when yo do some research on this so we can have a real conversation instead of you just claiming it will never work.

Do you think the NFL let Twitter stream football games for free? LOL

Honestly you are too dim to even deal with. No Twitter is paying $10 million for the 10 NFL games.

If you don't think it matters who produces the games and how that impacts what is going on - enjoy.

I never said it wouldn't work - yet not a single person who talks like you do on this board ever comes up with even fantasy math to make a case about how it's financially viable.

 

[MountainMan]

Honestly you are too dim to even deal with. No Spartacus Twitter is paying $10 million for the 10 NFL games.

If you don't think it matters who produces the games and how that impacts what is going on - enjoy.

I never said it wouldn't work - yet not a single person who talks like you do on this board ever comes up with even fantasy math to make a case about how it's financially viable.

LOL. When you have no actual evidence to present, just go personal. I prefer to use facts.
Twitter Gets NFL Thursday Night Games for a Bargain Price

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Twitter Inc. just did its first broadcast deal, and it’s a big one. The company will stream 10 Thursday night National Football League games during the 2016 season, a package that cost the service around $10 million, according to a person familiar with the matter.




I don't think twitter has to produce sporting event to stream them. If you feel that they do enjoy, but that hardly makes it true.

We have already seen conference produce content that is sold elsewhere. BTN has been doing it for a while now as have others. This is not a new concept, not sure why you seem to think it is.

So you now claim you never said it wouldn't work, but in the next sentence say it won't work from a financial perspective. Essentially saying its' "not feasible", AKA "wont work."

I have no idea how twitter will make money at this, they do things so differently than normal networks it's hard to imagine how they will make $ but I have no doubt they will. And with so many other streaming options there is sure to be others who want that content.

 

[whaler11]

LOL. When you have no actual evidence to present, just go personal. I prefer to use facts.
Twitter Gets NFL Thursday Night Games for a Bargain Price

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Twitter Inc. just did its first broadcast deal, and it’s a big one. The company will stream 10 Thursday night National Football League games during the 2016 season, a package that cost the service around $10 million, according to a person familiar with the matter.




I don't think twitter has to produce sporting event to stream them. If you feel that they do enjoy, but that hardly makes it true.

We have already seen conference produce content that is sold elsewhere. BTN has been doing it for a while now as have others. This is not a new concept, not sure why you seem to think it is.

So you now claim you never said it wouldn't work, but in the next sentence say it won't work from a financial perspective. Essentially saying its' "not feasible", AKA "wont work."

I have no idea how twitter will make money at this, they do things so differently than normal networks it's hard to imagine how they will make $ but I have no doubt they will. And with so many other streaming options there is sure to be others who want that content.

I never said it wasn't going to work.

I like how you admit that you don't know how they will make money on it - odd that you can have that opinion but be so certain that it's going to turn into a revenue stream for conferences.

 

[mavblues]

Anyone else have AN ENTIRE PAGE of ignored content?

The wackos must be out in full force.

 

[VPDcurt]

I went to an FCS school and continue to watch games online. I am not surprised at how they look - my point was that it is essentially unacceptable for a P5 game to look like that.

 

[MountainMan]

I never said it wasn't going to work.

I like how you admit that you don't know how they will make money on it - odd that you can have that opinion but be so certain that it's going to turn into a revenue stream for conferences.

LOL. So what are you saying? Seem pretty obvious that you just like telling me I'm wrong while not giving any opinion of why or how you see this working.

I don't fully understand how twitter makes income with live sports as they do advertizing differently. That was discussed in the deal with the NFL, something about advertizing is different. That is why they are broadcasting NFL games for free with no cable subscription required. Do you understand how twitter is doing this and what makes them different?

I don't think conferences or other owners of sports content will let Twitter do so for free so yes I believe there will be money involved.

Why don't you go ahead an add somethign to the conversation as opposed to simply saying I'm wrong. Notice how you keep doing the same thing over and over "call me when conferences can make money" type statements but you never actually make a point. Please feel free to do so.

 

[MountainMan]

I went to an FCS school and continue to watch games online. I am not surprised at how they look - my point was that it is essentially unacceptable for a P5 game to look like that.

I'm unclear what your point is. FCS games will never have the same production as FBS p-5 football games. Neither will olympic sports. That won't change and it certainly has nothing to do with twitter.

 

[MountainMan]

Anyone else have AN ENTIRE PAGE of ignored content?

The wackos must be out in full force.

This is funny. You are essentially bragging about not being able to handle people with different opinions than yours so you resorted to putting everyone who has a different opinion than you on ignore. Such a badass. LOL.

Excellent contribution BTW.

So to summarize the UConn crowd does not see streaming live sports through places like twitter and hulu is not a sustainable path to income. I on the other hand already see twitter paying 7 figures for NFL games and see twitter buying live sports content right and left so it appears to be an increasing tend with more and more live sports being streamed on twitter which will result in income for the conferences as this evolves.

 

[VPDcurt]

I'm unclear what your point is. FCS games will never have the same production as FBS p-5 football games. Neither will olympic sports. That won't change and it certainly has nothing to do with twitter.

So ESPN and the others won't have to worry about twitter according to you? Don't worry - it's only the entire point of this thread.

 

[VPDcurt]

This is funny. You are essentially bragging about not being able to handle people with different opinions than yours so you resorted to putting everyone who has a different opinion than you on ignore. Such a badass. LOL.

Excellent contribution BTW.

So to summarize the UConn crowd does not see streaming live sports through places like twitter and hulu is not a sustainable path to income. I on the other hand already see twitter paying 7 figures for NFL games and see twitter buying live sports content right and left so it appears to be an increasing tend with more and more live sports being streamed on twitter which will result in income for the conferences as this evolves.

Yeah this dude is a joke. Next case.

 

[MountainMan]

So ESPN and the others won't have to worry about twitter according to you? Don't worry - it's only the entire point of this thread.

Again, I am unclear what the level of production has to do with this. I"m not trying to be a jerk but I simply don't see the connection. These FCS, D3, and olympic sports from FBS schools will always be of lower quality production. No reason to waste money on producing a water polo match.

ESPN already streams plenty of FCS level games and they are all of much lower production quality than what you see on ESPN, ESPN2, etc.. Same on LHN with stuff like softball and volleyball games. Same with BTN. Same with PACN. So if twitter streams similar low level content it will likely be of similar production levels coming from the in house production on campuses along with production partners that were already mentioned. Now as they obtain more valuable content from conferences like the PAC and B1G you will see better production for things like basketball games. I believe they will be next as they have content that can already be sold directly to Twitter with no involvement from ESPN or FOX.

If the Big 12 expands or not I expect the AAC to expand West and try to rework their TV deal. That might be the opportunity Twitter is looking for as far as valuable college content that is reasonably priced. For what amounts to very little $ needed to outbid ESPN Twitter could obtain an enormous amount of college content for what amounts to the p-5 TV payout for a couple of schools. Go West and add an audience that is already trained to stream while picking up some nice brands for the conference including BYU. Heck a Twitter/FOX combo might even make more sense as far as bidding for that TV content if we are to believe FOX wants valuable Eastern time zone content.

 

[VPDcurt]

Again, I am unclear what the level of production has to do with this. I"m not trying to be a jerk but I simply don't see the connection. These FCS, D3, and olympic sports from FBS schools will always be of lower quality production. No reason to waste money on producing a water polo match.

ESPN already streams plenty of FCS level games and they are all of much lower production quality than what you see on ESPN, ESPN2, etc.. Same on LHN with stuff like softball and volleyball games. Same with BTN. Same with PACN. So if twitter streams similar low level content it will likely be of similar production levels coming from the in house production on campuses along with production partners that were already mentioned. Now as they obtain more valuable content from conferences like the PAC and B1G you will see better production for things like basketball games. I believe they will be next as they have content that can already be sold directly to Twitter with no involvement from ESPN or FOX.

If the Big 12 expands or not I expect the AAC to expand West and try to rework their TV deal. That might be the opportunity Twitter is looking for as far as valuable college content that is reasonably priced. For what amounts to very little $ needed to outbid ESPN Twitter could obtain an enormous amount of college content for what amounts to the p-5 TV payout for a couple of schools. Go West and add an audience that is already trained to stream while picking up some nice brands for the conference including BYU. Heck a Twitter/FOX combo might even make more sense as far as bidding for that TV content if we are to believe FOX wants valuable Eastern time zone content.

I'm just wondering if they plan on steaming FBS games with the sameness infrastructure? That's all. I understand the utility of it for the FCS and Olympic sports - just wonder if it's viable for the FBS.

 

[VPDcurt]

Sorry for the typos. I think I meant to say "same" instead of "sameness." Haha. I blame autocorrect. Lol @ steaming.

 

[MountainMan]

I'm just wondering if they plan on steaming FBS games with the sameness infrastructure? That's all. I understand the utility of it for the FCS and Olympic sports - just wonder if it's viable for the FBS.

I see. I've watched some FBS games on PACN and have never thought it seemed like a big deal. I've also watched ACC digital network basketball games and never thought it seemed that bad either.

 

[auror]

I'm curious about the back-end cost of streaming games. If the model is content produced by someone else and then just integrated into and then streamed by Twitter (which is almost too logical, since that's how I and I assume most people my age - millennial - consume sports these days anyways), then as @whaler11 mentioned the content producer owns the in-content advertising.

However, it would certainly be possible that the producer would split some % of those advertising fees to the streamer to cover disseminating the content. If the streaming site gets a cut and also has the surrounding on-page advertising, profit is theoretically there if the back-end is not too costly. If you make a small profit, maybe you just need to cast a wide net. Since you're not limited by production staff or equipment, you could theoretically stream just about everything at once, almost like a cable provider.

I have no idea of the relative costs of costs of supplying cable vs. streaming content, since the idea above sounds an awful lot like creating a streaming provider, but without the current subscription carriage model.

 

[MattMang23]

Anyone else have AN ENTIRE PAGE of ignored content?

The wackos must be out in full force.

Not quite. I have five posts on this page. Three in a row by Whaler destroying someone, then yours, then one by auror. Someone "dim" must have called Whaler a troll and then said something stupid (shockingly) about Twitter. I guess we are staying on subject?

 

[MountainMan]

You guys are pure entertainment, even when whining and not contributing. Keep up the fine work.

In your own minds you are internet badasses, but in reality you struggle to have a conversation people with even slightly differences in opinion instead you typically resort to personal insults or simply telling them they are wrong with no reasoning or facts. My suggestion is don't ever go to another school's board as you would not make it long. Stay here, ignore anyone with a different opinion, and enjoy the echo chamber that you create.

All you are doing now is trolling the thread, not contributing, and trying to start fights. I'm surprised Fishy allows this on a realignment board as all ti accomplishes is running off anyone from another school because all the whiners pile on anyone from "Outside" the echo chamber. Really limits the boards appeal and poster numbers though. Most realignment boards have lots of fan diversity which makes for a fun conversation seeing all the different points of view.

If you want to believe Twitter is not a player in the live sports game so be it, but at least give some reasoning as opposed to "call me when it's working" type of stuff which is pure trolling. Some of us see Twitter moving in that direction with the recent events that have taken place.

 

[MountainMan]

Three in a row by Whaler destroying someone,

Whaler isn't' destroying anyone on this board that I have seen. The fact that you think so is hilarious. All he is doing is letting his butthurt show, hardly an internet badass.

Now you are trying to pretend yo dont read the posts, that's priceless. You might think that makes you sound like an internet badass but in reality it screams "I can't have a conversation with anyone who has a different opinion so I stick my fingers in my ears to I can pretend not to listen, but I still do". LOL

Keep up the fine work, and thanks for proving my point as well as yet another excellent contribution to the thread about Twitter broadcasting live sports.

Do any of you whiners want to discuss Twitter, or just continue to whine and troll? It's been a couple of pages since any of you made a valid point and now you are not even discussing Twitter, pretty safe to say this has been a 1 sided conversation as far as who has made valid points and backed them up with facts. But by all means please continue to claim Twitter is worthless when it comes to live college sports. The rest of us see sn obvious trend.