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WingU-Conn said:
How exactly is it that you know what the results of the season would have been had we not brought Drummond in?

Drummond averaged 10 and (nearly) 8. Give his minutes to Oriakhi, and who comes off the bench to rest him? Enosch Wolf? Olander? You can argue the chemistry would have been better, but that team was thin (literally and figuratively) on the front court without Drummond.

My point is that Drummond was one of the best players on that team, one of the top 2 HS seniors in the country, and you don't turn that opportunity down because there's the potential that your fragile/selfish/overly inflated ego having starter might not be able to handle someone better than him coming in and taking his minutes. (I don't like to use the word cancer because it's not that serious, but that metaphor fits). Oriakhi quit on UConn. His dad had more to do with the poor chemistry of that team than Drummond, and that's because Drummond exposed Oriakhi for what he was. A decent college player, but not a guy who could elevate a program.

That team had no senior leadership. They had no junior leadership. Oriakhi as a JR should have been the leader on that team. Instead that team suffered from chemistry problems because the leader of that team cared more about the name on the back of the jersey than the one on the front. You want to say that team was worse because Drummond was there. I say that's false. The team struggled because they had no leadership, and their one impact upperclassmen put himself before the team, and if you take Drummond off that team, it's possible they would have had even worse results.
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Good points but that team struggled because a few of them didn't like each other due to fights over girls.
 
Kenny11 said:
Good points but that team struggled because a few of them didn't like each other due to fights over girls.
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I thought that was Chief’s job to handle.... guess he blew it.
 
WingU-Conn said:
How exactly is it that you know what the results of the season would have been had we not brought Drummond in?

Drummond averaged 10 and (nearly) 8. Give his minutes to Oriakhi, and who comes off the bench to rest him? Enosch Wolf? Olander? You can argue the chemistry would have been better, but that team was thin (literally and figuratively) on the front court without Drummond.

My point is that Drummond was one of the best players on that team, one of the top 2 HS seniors in the country, and you don't turn that opportunity down because there's the potential that your fragile/selfish/overly inflated ego having starter might not be able to handle someone better than him coming in and taking his minutes. (I don't like to use the word cancer because it's not that serious, but that metaphor fits). Oriakhi quit on UConn. His dad had more to do with the poor chemistry of that team than Drummond, and that's because Drummond exposed Oriakhi for what he was. A decent college player, but not a guy who could elevate a program.

That team had no senior leadership. They had no junior leadership. Oriakhi as a JR should have been the leader on that team. Instead that team suffered from chemistry problems because the leader of that team cared more about the name on the back of the jersey than the one on the front. You want to say that team was worse because Drummond was there. I say that's false. The team struggled because they had no leadership, and their one impact upperclassmen put himself before the team, and if you take Drummond off that team, it's possible they would have had even worse results.
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I don't understand your first line. I said there was no way we would ever know.

That having been said, the answer to your frontcourt question is Roscoe would have gotten the minutes alongside AO -- yes, he wanted to be a 3 but that's where the minutes were -- and we would have been fine. Heck, because we lost Roscoe mentally, Tyler ended up being the third man in the rotation with Drummond and AO, so Tyler being the back up big was where we ended up anyway.

No one is arguing that if you are looking to establish "fault," AO is the logical starting place. But I'm looking at the alternative. There was little reason to think AO wouldn't have continued his improvement, and shown some leadership, if his coach didn't tell him at the beginning of the season thanks for being such a huge part of a national championship but now I need you to totally play differently and outside your comfort zone so I can accomodate this one and done who doesn't have a ring and won't be here for your senior year. Fault -- yes, AO's. But it's not hard to understand why a young man reacted that way either.
 
@businesslawyer OK I looked it up. Dre was 10 and 8, Alex was 7 and 5, Roscoe was 4 and 3.

So is your argument that, if you take away the issues Dre brought on (no fault to him) with AO's attitude, PT for Roscoe, etc, then Alex would of averaged something like 15 and 10, and Roscoe 10 and 8?

Do you think AO would of become a better leader if Andre didn't sign and elevated the team by more than 10 and 8? I suppose it's possible but to call it "almost certain" is a bit ludicrous.
 
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quacktalker said:
@businesslawyer OK I looked it up. Dre was 10 and 8, Alex was 7 and 5, Roscoe was 4 and 3.

So is your argument that, if you take away the issues Dre brought on (no fault to him) with AO's attitude, PT for Roscoe, etc, then Alex would of averaged something like 15 and 10, and Roscoe 10 and 8?

Do you think AO would of become a better leader if Andre didn't sign and elevated the team by more than 10 and 8? I suppose it's possible but to call it "almost certain" is a bit ludicrous.
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Please just stop now guys. For the love of God.
 
businesslawyer said:
I don't understand your first line. I said there was no way we would ever know.

That having been said, the answer to your frontcourt question is Roscoe would have gotten the minutes alongside AO -- yes, he wanted to be a 3 but that's where the minutes were -- and we would have been fine. Heck, because we lost Roscoe mentally, Tyler ended up being the third man in the rotation with Drummond and AO, so Tyler being the back up big was where we ended up anyway.

No one is arguing that if you are looking to establish "fault," AO is the logical starting place. But I'm looking at the alternative. There was little reason to think AO wouldn't have continued his improvement, and shown some leadership, if his coach didn't tell him at the beginning of the season thanks for being such a huge part of a national championship but now I need you to totally play differently and outside your comfort zone so I can accomodate this one and done who doesn't have a ring and won't be here for your senior year. Fault -- yes, AO's. But it's not hard to understand why a young man reacted that way either.
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Here's what you wrote:
"did Drummond coming in make our season better or worse? Almost certainly, it made it worse."
Here's what I asked:
"How exactly is it that you know what the results of the season would have been had we not brought Drummond in?"

It's bizarre to make the statement you did, and then say there is no way we'd ever know if the season would have been better or worse without Drummond.
 
Peacefrog said:
Please just stop now guys. For the love of God.
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Haha, well what else am I going to do on a slow day at work besides inanely argue about our season 7 years ago!?

I don't have much to say on Tre other than I trust Coach Hurley to get us some good players. If he's one of our options I'm sure we have a good plan for him.
 
lol, having your cake and eating it too I see @businesslawyer

for the sake of the thread, i'll just say I find your posts duplicitous and will agree to disagree.

Hoping whatever Tre decides, it works out for both him and UConn, whether that means he signs with us or not.
 
This is getting out of control, but imagine what this thread will be like if Akok and Cockburn pick another team.

Never mind............
 
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WingU-Conn said:
for the sake of the thread, i'll just say I find your posts duplicitousQUOTE]

You are welcome to your opinion on my posts. But if you think your comment qualifies for "for the sake of the thread" you need a better dictionary.
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WingU-Conn said:
How exactly is it that you know what the results of the season would have been had we not brought Drummond in?

Drummond averaged 10 and (nearly) 8. Give his minutes to Oriakhi, and who comes off the bench to rest him? Enosch Wolf? Olander? You can argue the chemistry would have been better, but that team was thin (literally and figuratively) on the front court without Drummond.

My point is that Drummond was one of the best players on that team, one of the top 2 HS seniors in the country, and you don't turn that opportunity down because there's the potential that your fragile/selfish/overly inflated ego having starter might not be able to handle someone better than him coming in and taking his minutes. (I don't like to use the word cancer because it's not that serious, but that metaphor fits). Oriakhi quit on UConn. His dad had more to do with the poor chemistry of that team than Drummond, and that's because Drummond exposed Oriakhi for what he was. A decent college player, but not a guy who could elevate a program.

That team had no senior leadership. They had no junior leadership. Oriakhi as a JR should have been the leader on that team. Instead that team suffered from chemistry problems because the leader of that team cared more about the name on the back of the jersey than the one on the front. You want to say that team was worse because Drummond was there. I say that's false. The team struggled because they had no leadership, and their one impact upperclassmen put himself before the team, and if you take Drummond off that team, it's possible they would have had even worse results.
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I agree that you don't turndown a top 2-5 HS senior but I totally agree with BLwyr that AD's presence did screw up the chemistry to some degree. I have spoken to players who played on that team and while they think the world of AD some did have reservations about stating that he was a huge impact. I myself was terribly disappointed in his output but mostly with his lack of desire and hustle while playing - he just didn't give 100%. Watching him in the pros I still see that same attitude. The guy has unbelievable size and God given talent but never really uses it to its optimum in a consistent manner. I think a lot came to him too easy because of his size and that has caused a deficiency in the desire category. Last night vs the Celts, when he became involved he was a monster but at times he just went through the motions. I know Van Gundy was upset about that in the past few years and talked about it. JMO
 
gtcam said:
I agree that you don't turndown a top 2-5 HS senior but I totally agree with BLwyr that AD's presence did screw up the chemistry to some degree. I have spoken to players who played on that team and while they think the world of AD some did have reservations about stating that he was a huge impact. I myself was terribly disappointed in his output but mostly with his lack of desire and hustle while playing - he just didn't give 100%. Watching him in the pros I still see that same attitude. The guy has unbelievable size and God given talent but never really uses it to its optimum in a consistent manner. I think a lot came to him too easy because of his size and that has caused a deficiency in the desire category. Last night vs the Celts, when he became involved he was a monster but at times he just went through the motions. I know Van Gundy was upset about that in the past few years and talked about it. JMO
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I casually went to the MBB first night of '11-'12 season. At a point Drummond, before he ever played a game, was given a spot light, a light show, theme music and the court to himself to attempt 2 full court passes to himself that he was supposed to dunk.

He missed both. It was surreal.

I don't blame Andre at all and it was in good fun. However, a bunch of guys on that team were defending national champions and Drummond was treated like the star. It was one of the few times JC was tone deaf and I think it ruffled some feathers from the start.

Just imo.
 
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