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bendm said:
What am missing with Duke? They just lost their entire starting lineup to the draft including 3 lotto picks. How are they still #1? Evans Boozer Ngongba are not even close to Kon Flagg Maluach. They lost Coward to the draft too. I’d never heard of Dame Sarr until last week.
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They also have this guy(See below) a top 25 pickup and Nikolas Khamenia who is really good. I don't like Duke but it is understandable why they are rated high with the talent they have on their squad.

 
bendm said:
What am missing with Duke? They just lost their entire starting lineup to the draft including 3 lotto picks. How are they still #1? Evans Boozer Ngongba are not even close to Kon Flagg Maluach. They lost Coward to the draft too. I’d never heard of Dame Sarr until last week.
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Sarr was a borderline 1st round prospect this draft and expected lottery pick in the next draft. Cam Boozer is a stud, Evans is a super obvious breakout candidate, and Ngongba also has obvious talent. Foster and Brown give them a nice veteran presence, and Cayden/Khamenia are also capable of contributing.

It’s not the number 1 team, but just on talent alone they must be top 10.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Sarr was a borderline 1st round prospect this draft and expected lottery pick in the next draft. Cam Boozer is a stud, Evans is a super obvious breakout candidate, and Ngongba also has obvious talent. Foster and Brown give them a nice veteran presence, and Cayden/Khamenia are also capable of contributing.

It’s not the number 1 team, but just on talent alone they must be top 10.
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Top 10 Sure but they don’t deserve to be preseason #1 especially in comparison to last years team.
 


Interesting pickup for Gonzaga. Doesn't really fit their normal mode of an efficient, skilled, team player. It looks like they are looking for more athletes on the team.
 
3rdbass said:


Interesting pickup for Gonzaga. Doesn't really fit their normal mode of an efficient, skilled, team player. It looks like they are looking for more athletes on the team.
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Kid is 25. Entered college in 2018 lol
 
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aceboon said:
surprising imo when you see all the borderline/2-way contract guys coming back to school for a bigger payday. Luis is basically on that same projection line

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Haven’t seen him in many mock drafts. Feels like he’s getting some bad advice here
 
aceboon said:
surprising imo when you see all the borderline/2-way contract guys coming back to school for a bigger payday. Luis is basically on that same projection line

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Then again, the number of players in a similar range may solidify his being drafted.
 
REB1094 said:
Haven’t seen him in many mock drafts. Feels like he’s getting some bad advice here
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You see this and you have to wonder about overall character. Once he was benched in the last game by Pitino something may have snapped. This really makes no sense unless he knows something no one else does. He could have found a $1m to $2m NIL deal at one of the schools that showed interest.

Now at best he is a round two pick and unless he kills it in pre draft work outs will be looking at a two way contract making way less than he would have if he stayed in college.

All you have to do is look at Alex if you want to see a player/person who is self aware and understands the value of making what he is is making while getting really close to a masters degree in the additional year. I know every one says he graduated in three years but wasn’t it really 3.5 or 4 years based on his redshirt year when he reclassified and was basically just a practice player. Alex will be successful regardless were his journey takes him. Yes last year was a disappointment but I really think him coming back is going to be key to another run at a chip by next years team.

Either way Alex is a role model, Luis Jr not so much…..
 
BullDawg said:
I don’t know, but Vegas oddsmakers are unlikely to set odds without good reasons.
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Unless they know most of the pre season betting money will be on Dook so they set the odds lower just in case a miracle happens and Dook does not choke they end up losing less money. I thought betting lines were impacted by how much money is placed on a team. That would explain the odds for Duke.
 
Hunt for 7 said:
Unless they know most of the pre season betting money will be on Dook so they set the odds lower just in case a miracle happens and Dook does not choke they end up losing less money. I thought betting lines were impacted by how much money is placed on a team. That would explain the odds for Duke.
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Yep. Odds move and change based on betting.
 
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Hunt for 7 said:
You see this and you have to wonder about overall character. Once he was benched in the last game by Pitino something may have snapped. This really makes no sense unless he knows something no one else does. He could have found a $1m to $2m NIL deal at one of the schools that showed interest.

Now at best he is a round two pick and unless he kills it in pre draft work outs will be looking at a two way contract making way less than he would have if he stayed in college.

All you have to do is look at Alex if you want to see a player/person who is self aware and understands the value of making what he is is making while getting really close to a masters degree in the additional year. I know every one says he graduated in three years but wasn’t it really 3.5 or 4 years based on his redshirt year when he reclassified and was basically just a practice player. Alex will be successful regardless were his journey takes him. Yes last year was a disappointment but I really think him coming back is going to be key to another run at a chip by next years team.

Either way Alex is a role model, Luis Jr not so much…..
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All of this over one player deciding to return to school and another deciding not to
 
Lafayette said:
Well if it's Dook vs the field, I take the field.

I morally cannot ever bet for Dook.
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i bet on them sometimes to protect myself .... if i have to suffer thru all the Duke-love after a National title, i need to at least make some $$ from it
like last season, more than happy to lose bet and see Duke get eliminated (have done same with Mets this year)
 
Hunt for 7 said:
You see this and you have to wonder about overall character. Once he was benched in the last game by Pitino something may have snapped. This really makes no sense unless he knows something no one else does. He could have found a $1m to $2m NIL deal at one of the schools that showed interest.

Now at best he is a round two pick and unless he kills it in pre draft work outs will be looking at a two way contract making way less than he would have if he stayed in college.

All you have to do is look at Alex if you want to see a player/person who is self aware and understands the value of making what he is is making while getting really close to a masters degree in the additional year. I know every one says he graduated in three years but wasn’t it really 3.5 or 4 years based on his redshirt year when he reclassified and was basically just a practice player. Alex will be successful regardless were his journey takes him. Yes last year was a disappointment but I really think him coming back is going to be key to another run at a chip by next years team.

Either way Alex is a role model, Luis Jr not so much…..
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Luis is cooked. He shot poorly in tryouts, but yes, something snapped with him...while it goes as an asterisk if he is drafter late 2nd round, it should raise eyebrows on Pitino.
 
Hunt for 7 said:
You see this and you have to wonder about overall character. Once he was benched in the last game by Pitino something may have snapped. This really makes no sense unless he knows something no one else does. He could have found a $1m to $2m NIL deal at one of the schools that showed interest.

Now at best he is a round two pick and unless he kills it in pre draft work outs will be looking at a two way contract making way less than he would have if he stayed in college.

All you have to do is look at Alex if you want to see a player/person who is self aware and understands the value of making what he is is making while getting really close to a masters degree in the additional year. I know every one says he graduated in three years but wasn’t it really 3.5 or 4 years based on his redshirt year when he reclassified and was basically just a practice player. Alex will be successful regardless were his journey takes him. Yes last year was a disappointment but I really think him coming back is going to be key to another run at a chip by next years team.

Either way Alex is a role model, Luis Jr not so much…..
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I see this and I wonder but his decision making, you see it and wonder about his overall character? Wtf is an overall character? Why the comparison with Alex and then the disparaging comment RJ about him not being a role model? As far as I have researched I don't think he has ever been in trouble. Different paths for different people. He had an excellent season and one bad game does that make him not so much a role model?
 
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bendm said:
What am missing with Duke? They just lost their entire starting lineup to the draft including 3 lotto picks. How are they still #1? Evans Boozer Ngongba are not even close to Kon Flagg Maluach. They lost Coward to the draft too. I’d never heard of Dame Sarr until last week.
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Evans and Ngongba are 5 stars in their second year, with strong upside. Boozer is a beast and a winner. While there is a definite drop off, still very talented and all relative. Every top team lost key players. Houston lost their top scorer and big.

The way it’s shaping as of now is 3 teams tier one (Houston, Purdue, Florida) and then a handful of teams in a second traunch, including the pups. I don’t see any unbeatable teams this year, so it’s all paper until the games begin.

The StJ perception has really dropped since the height of their portal buzz, with a lot of data pointing to continuity being key.
 
The Desmond Claude saga has been interesting as there just aren’t any buyers out there. His list continues to shrink, with the combo of the heavy $ ask, wanting to play PG, and that he doesn’t really equate to winning. Right now it looks like Oregon, Zags and Tenn as the only suitors.
 
Ricker said:
Count me in a camp alone that thinks Purdue will be closer to the bottom of top 25 vs top 5
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Why do you think that? They have their same core with the preseason player of the year, and were a 8-13ish team all year last year?
 
RuffRuff said:
Evans and Ngongba are 5 stars in their second year, with strong upside. Boozer is a beast and a winner. While there is a definite drop off, still very talented and all relative. Every top team lost key players. Houston lost their top scorer and big.

The way it’s shaping as of now is 3 teams tier one (Houston, Purdue, Florida) and then a handful of teams in a second traunch, including the pups. I don’t see any unbeatable teams this year, so it’s all paper until the games begin.

The StJ perception has really dropped since the height of their portal buzz, with a lot of data pointing to continuity being key.
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Nope. UConn is in that first group and St. John's is #1 in the most recent top 25 early ranking poll.
 
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superjohn said:
Nope. UConn is in that first group and St. John's is #1 in the most recent top 25 early ranking poll.
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I haven’t seen that and I’ve seen a listened to a number of polls. Seen a few without StJ even in top 10.

A guy like Rothstein for instance has us at 8. Vegas odds has Houston, Duke and Purdue at 1100, us at 1600.

This SI poll has us at 3, behind Houston and Florida, Purdue surprisingly at 5, where I’ve seen them as 1 or 2 in most. Men’s College Basketball Way-Too-Early Top 25: Houston No. 1 After Rosters Settle
 
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RuffRuff said:
Evans and Ngongba are 5 stars in their second year, with strong upside. Boozer is a beast and a winner. While there is a definite drop off, still very talented and all relative. Every top team lost key players. Houston lost their top scorer and big.

The way it’s shaping as of now is 3 teams tier one (Houston, Purdue, Florida) and then a handful of teams in a second traunch, including the pups. I don’t see any unbeatable teams this year, so it’s all paper until the games begin.

The StJ perception has really dropped since the height of their portal buzz, with a lot of data pointing to continuity being key.
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UF is being overrated. Haugh/Condon/Chinyelu are a fine frontcourt But They won the chip because of their guards. They just lost their top 4 Gs including 3 starters and their sixth man. The Princeton guy is not the next Jeremy Lin and Arkansas took off once Boogie got benched. Kentucky is the best team in the sec.
 
I think more teams have improved and that Purdue is dependent on guards that we proved can be shut down by bigger athletic guards if you don't have to double the post. Would I pick Purdue to beat St Johns? UConn? Duke? Houston? Florida? Tenn? BYU? ... The answer is no to about 10 teams, and then 50/50 for the next 15 teams. Just my early opinion and why they play the games.
 
Ricker said:
I think more teams have improved and that Purdue is dependent on guards that we proved can be shut down by bigger athletic guards if you don't have to double the post. Would I pick Purdue to beat St Johns? UConn? Duke? Houston? Florida? Tenn? BYU? ... The answer is no to about 10 teams, and then 50/50 for the next 15 teams. Just my early opinion and why they play the games.
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Best PG in the country by a significant margin and a legit low post scorer in TKR. Painter is a great coach. You need the big guards, how many teams have that? There isn’t a ton of 2024 UConn running around. Not much of a Purdue buyer myself but I get why they’re highly thought of. If you’re going to value continuity they have it in 3 guys that will be seniors, have been to a NC and took Houston to the wire last year.
 
RuffRuff said:
I haven’t seen that and I’ve seen a listened to a number of polls. Seen a few without StJ even in top 10.

A guy like Rothstein for instance has us at 8. Vegas odds has Houston, Duke and Purdue at 1100, us at 1600.

This SI poll has us at 3, behind Houston and Florida, Purdue surprisingly at 5, where I’ve seen them as 1 or 2 in most. Men’s College Basketball Way-Too-Early Top 25: Houston No. 1 After Rosters Settle
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I replied to you a few days ago with the CBS poll...

www.cbssports.com

College basketball rankings: St. John's jumps Houston for No. 1 spot in way-too-early preseason Top 25 And 1

After Pop Isaacs decided to play for Texas A&M and not the Cougars, Rick Pitino's Red Storm moves to the top of the CBS Sports rankings
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
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