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bendm said:
What am missing with Duke? They just lost their entire starting lineup to the draft including 3 lotto picks. How are they still #1? Evans Boozer Ngongba are not even close to Kon Flagg Maluach. They lost Coward to the draft too. I’d never heard of Dame Sarr until last week.
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Evans and Ngongba are 5 stars in their second year, with strong upside. Boozer is a beast and a winner. While there is a definite drop off, still very talented and all relative. Every top team lost key players. Houston lost their top scorer and big.

The way it’s shaping as of now is 3 teams tier one (Houston, Purdue, Florida) and then a handful of teams in a second traunch, including the pups. I don’t see any unbeatable teams this year, so it’s all paper until the games begin.

The StJ perception has really dropped since the height of their portal buzz, with a lot of data pointing to continuity being key.
 
The Desmond Claude saga has been interesting as there just aren’t any buyers out there. His list continues to shrink, with the combo of the heavy $ ask, wanting to play PG, and that he doesn’t really equate to winning. Right now it looks like Oregon, Zags and Tenn as the only suitors.
 
Ricker said:
Count me in a camp alone that thinks Purdue will be closer to the bottom of top 25 vs top 5
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Why do you think that? They have their same core with the preseason player of the year, and were a 8-13ish team all year last year?
 
RuffRuff said:
Evans and Ngongba are 5 stars in their second year, with strong upside. Boozer is a beast and a winner. While there is a definite drop off, still very talented and all relative. Every top team lost key players. Houston lost their top scorer and big.

The way it’s shaping as of now is 3 teams tier one (Houston, Purdue, Florida) and then a handful of teams in a second traunch, including the pups. I don’t see any unbeatable teams this year, so it’s all paper until the games begin.

The StJ perception has really dropped since the height of their portal buzz, with a lot of data pointing to continuity being key.
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Nope. UConn is in that first group and St. John's is #1 in the most recent top 25 early ranking poll.
 
superjohn said:
Nope. UConn is in that first group and St. John's is #1 in the most recent top 25 early ranking poll.
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I haven’t seen that and I’ve seen a listened to a number of polls. Seen a few without StJ even in top 10.

A guy like Rothstein for instance has us at 8. Vegas odds has Houston, Duke and Purdue at 1100, us at 1600.

This SI poll has us at 3, behind Houston and Florida, Purdue surprisingly at 5, where I’ve seen them as 1 or 2 in most. Men’s College Basketball Way-Too-Early Top 25: Houston No. 1 After Rosters Settle
 
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RuffRuff said:
Evans and Ngongba are 5 stars in their second year, with strong upside. Boozer is a beast and a winner. While there is a definite drop off, still very talented and all relative. Every top team lost key players. Houston lost their top scorer and big.

The way it’s shaping as of now is 3 teams tier one (Houston, Purdue, Florida) and then a handful of teams in a second traunch, including the pups. I don’t see any unbeatable teams this year, so it’s all paper until the games begin.

The StJ perception has really dropped since the height of their portal buzz, with a lot of data pointing to continuity being key.
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UF is being overrated. Haugh/Condon/Chinyelu are a fine frontcourt But They won the chip because of their guards. They just lost their top 4 Gs including 3 starters and their sixth man. The Princeton guy is not the next Jeremy Lin and Arkansas took off once Boogie got benched. Kentucky is the best team in the sec.
 
I think more teams have improved and that Purdue is dependent on guards that we proved can be shut down by bigger athletic guards if you don't have to double the post. Would I pick Purdue to beat St Johns? UConn? Duke? Houston? Florida? Tenn? BYU? ... The answer is no to about 10 teams, and then 50/50 for the next 15 teams. Just my early opinion and why they play the games.
 
Ricker said:
I think more teams have improved and that Purdue is dependent on guards that we proved can be shut down by bigger athletic guards if you don't have to double the post. Would I pick Purdue to beat St Johns? UConn? Duke? Houston? Florida? Tenn? BYU? ... The answer is no to about 10 teams, and then 50/50 for the next 15 teams. Just my early opinion and why they play the games.
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Best PG in the country by a significant margin and a legit low post scorer in TKR. Painter is a great coach. You need the big guards, how many teams have that? There isn’t a ton of 2024 UConn running around. Not much of a Purdue buyer myself but I get why they’re highly thought of. If you’re going to value continuity they have it in 3 guys that will be seniors, have been to a NC and took Houston to the wire last year.
 
RuffRuff said:
I haven’t seen that and I’ve seen a listened to a number of polls. Seen a few without StJ even in top 10.

A guy like Rothstein for instance has us at 8. Vegas odds has Houston, Duke and Purdue at 1100, us at 1600.

This SI poll has us at 3, behind Houston and Florida, Purdue surprisingly at 5, where I’ve seen them as 1 or 2 in most. Men’s College Basketball Way-Too-Early Top 25: Houston No. 1 After Rosters Settle
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I replied to you a few days ago with the CBS poll...

www.cbssports.com

College basketball rankings: St. John's jumps Houston for No. 1 spot in way-too-early preseason Top 25 And 1

After Pop Isaacs decided to play for Texas A&M and not the Cougars, Rick Pitino's Red Storm moves to the top of the CBS Sports rankings
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
superjohn said:
Nope. UConn is in that first group and St. John's is #1 in the most recent top 25 early ranking poll.
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Agree. I would question Florida ahead of both UConn and St. John's. Losing a kid like Clayton who hit every big shot will hurt them considerably. Boggie Fland is certainly a good player but he still has to show much more consistency. PG from Princeton while likely good is making a huge jump in level on a night in night out basis. To me Florida was a guard oriented team last year with 3 seniors back there. Tough to replace that experience. I think UConn and St. John's at least early on are clearly better teams.
 
Purdue has the best point guard in country who most likely will break NCAA all time assist record. This very well could be Painter's year to break through. Final Four in Indy would make it special.
 
sdglast said:
Agree. I would question Florida ahead of both UConn and St. John's. Losing a kid like Clayton who hit every big shot will hurt them considerably. Boggie Fland is certainly a good player but he still has to show much more consistency. PG from Princeton while likely good is making a huge jump in level on a night in night out basis. To me Florida was a guard oriented team last year with 3 seniors back there. Tough to replace that experience. I think UConn and St. John's at least early on are clearly better teams.
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They had arguably one of the best front courts in the country, versatile and killed teams on glass. Golden is also a great coach and turned two mid major guards into key dudes. Yes Clayton was a massive loss but I’d expect them to run the same system through their bigs and be right there. Fland can ball.
 
RuffRuff said:
They had arguably one of the best front courts in the country, versatile and killed teams on glass. Golden is also a great coach and turned two mid major guards into key dudes. Yes Clayton was a massive loss but I’d expect them to run the same system through their bigs and be right there. Fland can ball.
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But the front court didn't carry the scoring load like the backcourt did. Frankly, UConn's front court outplayed them. Not saying they aren't going to be good, but I think UConn has the better team right now.
 
superjohn said:
I replied to you a few days ago with the CBS poll...

www.cbssports.com

College basketball rankings: St. John's jumps Houston for No. 1 spot in way-too-early preseason Top 25 And 1

After Pop Isaacs decided to play for Texas A&M and not the Cougars, Rick Pitino's Red Storm moves to the top of the CBS Sports rankings
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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For someone who spends so much time on this board RuffRuff does seem to miss a lot. Which isn't a big deal but it is interesting considering he has strong opinions on everything.
 
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HooperScooper said:
For someone who spends so much time on this board RuffRuff does seem to miss a lot.
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Barely been on this thing of late. I need a break from you chuckleheads.

Yes most years there are no unbeatable teams - I’d argue two years ago we and Purdue stood out and made it to finals as scratch teams. And last year it was entirely scratch. So it’s moving to a point where there are teams well above the cut in the NIL era. This upcoming year does feel a bit more open than the last two years.

As for Florida, I too think they’re a guard short. I’m just saying their front court was a major reason they were as good as they were, you can’t overindex on one game against us, especially for a team that won the title, lol. The blinders are strong here Luke.
 
RuffRuff said:
Yes most years there are no unbeatable teams - I’d argue two years ago we and Purdue stood out and made it to finals as scratch teams. And last year it was entirely scratch. So it’s moving to a point where there are teams well above the cut in the NIL era. This upcoming year does feel a bit more open than the last two years.
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Assuming the new revenue sharing model finally gets approved, this is the last year of the current pay for play NIL model. It will be interesting to see how the new model impacts the competitiveness of teams in college basketball.
 
HooperScooper said:
Assuming the new revenue sharing model finally gets approved, this is the last year of the current pay for play NIL model. It will be interesting to see how the new model impacts the competitiveness of teams in college basketball.
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Depends on the oversight of total revenue being "shared" with the players, both the total amount and how it's allocated among the various aports.
 

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