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I'd do a token 3/4 press not designed to steal the ball but to elongate their possessions. and then have all our guys crash the boards. you give up our own fast breaks but you minimize the number of long rebounds, which lead to kick outs for more threes.
 
I never said anything about them shooting 3s. Please read what I actually said.
You were talking about it's about them rebounding their attempts. I assumed you were talking about them getting offensive rebounds off of their zillion three point attempts because that's what they do.

I have no clue what you're talking about in this thread then. I tried
 
I'd do a token 3/4 press not designed to steal the ball but to elongate their possessions. and then have all our guys crash the boards. you give up our own fast breaks but you minimize the number of long rebounds, which lead to kick outs for more threes.
Eh, the danger is not that their possessions are too short, but that our guys are out of position.

The best way to stay in position is to play solid halfcourt defense.
 
Eh, the danger is not that their possessions are too short, but that our guys are out of position.

The best way to stay in position is to play solid halfcourt defense.
smarter!

i would love to just limit the number of threes they put up and offensive rebounds they get, both of which would give them even less of a margin for error.
 
Oats is going to test to see if the UConn 3 point drought is going to continue. He will double Clingan and hope that Newton, Spencer, and Karaban remain cold. Cold three point shooting impacts the effectiveness of screens, backdoors and cuts to the basket. UConn needs to get back on track from beyond the arc.
 
Is Oats the kind of coach where you worry about him having a week to put together a game plan?
 
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This is the only thing that worries me…Alabama will just shoot 50 3s and see what happens. It’s their whole philosophy, they do NOT shoot mid range. If they can’t get layups over DC, they’re just gonna chuck.
May be a great game for Samson with run out dunks off if long rebounds
 
You were talking about it's about them rebounding their attempts. I assumed you were talking about them getting offensive rebounds off of their zillion three point attempts because that's what they do.

I have no clue what you're talking about in this thread then. I tried
Yes after you said their bigs driving into Clingan is a bad strategy. Maybe it’s too much to think those are the attempts I’m talking about.

I understand the shoot 3s at a high clip. If I’m them that wouldn’t be my strategy for Saturday. I’d drive hard into Clingan and crash the boards even harder while he’s out the play.

Jacking up 50 3s and completely avoiding the paint would be a recipe for disaster for them. One I hope they follow.
 
Oats is going to test to see if the UConn 3 point drought is going to continue. He will double Clingan and hope that Newton, Spencer, and Karaban remain cold. Cold three point shooting impacts the effectiveness of screens, backdoors and cuts to the basket. UConn needs to get back on track from beyond the arc.
The third guy who was on F68 with Dauster and Goodman basically said they should pack the paint and hope we stay cold shooting. I have no idea if Alabama has a zone defense in their repertoire, but I would not be surprised to see some kind of junk D at that end.
 
So we're #3 in offense and #3 in defense. Which makes us #3 overall.

I'm very good at math.

That‘s incorrect. The #1 and #2 teams are not the same teams. We would be #1 overall.
 
Yes after you said their bigs driving into Clingan is a bad strategy. Maybe it’s too much to think those are the attempts I’m talking about.

I understand the shoot 3s at a high clip. If I’m them that wouldn’t be my strategy for Saturday. I’d drive hard into Clingan and crash the boards even harder while he’s out the play.

Jacking up 50 3s and completely avoiding the paint would be a recipe for disaster for them. One I hope they follow.
Jacking up threes is the only shot they've got, it's what they do. They're worse at driving and in the paint than Illinois, they're guaranteed to get routed if they try to do what Illinois tried to do.
 
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I’m with you - if UConn plays their B game they win, probably by 10-15.

But that 3 pointer can be an equalizer, especially when they hunt those shots. They’re not changing philosophies, they want to gun.
Well, it's a fresh new court with strange surroundings. This can throw off a three-point shooting team. We haven't relied upon the three in some time. It if show up for us all the better. Do we have a better offensive mix? We'll see and hope that that is the case.
 
Oats is going to test to see if the UConn 3 point drought is going to continue. He will double Clingan and hope that Newton, Spencer, and Karaban remain cold. Cold three point shooting impacts the effectiveness of screens, backdoors and cuts to the basket. UConn needs to get back on track from beyond the arc.
I am truly curious what the defensive game plan is for Oats. Doubling Clingan is a really dangerous move. Maybe they try to double off Castle there but then I think Hurley just counters with the Andre dunker game plan from last year. Maybe he does gamble and just count on the shooters being cold, but if the Bama defenders have to close out hard, our ball movement and ability for the guards to get into the lane is going to lead to wide open looks all over, including at the basket.

I haven’t watched them a ton but I don’t remember seeing a zone or some other junk defense from them. Feels like an awful idea for a team that is already pretty terrible defensively.
 
Alabama is also 27th in the country in offensive rebounding which will be something to look out for.

I could for sure see the plan being to attack Clingan and then crash the glass while he’s away since they can have two guys who are 6’10 and above on the court at all times. Karaban is going to have to step up BIG.

Illinois had big guards but was relatively small in the post. Alabama is the opposite, at least length wise.
I suspect that's at least partly due to long rebounds off all the threes they shoot.
 
More I look into this, that’s actually how we were beaten the last time we had a defensive juggernaut in the middle (Thabeet).

Michigan State had 16 offensive rebounds that game. Which was almost double that of anyone else in the tournament. If Karaban comes out the gate not holding his own against Nelson, this might actually be a good game for double bigs.

In general, Alabama is an even better rebounding team than us (18th in the country to our 36th).
Well, to be fair, that team was offensively challenged in the halfcourt. This team ? Not so much
 
Can't look at raw stats, UConn plays much slower than Alabama so the total numbers are always going to be lower. We're 13th in offensive rebounding percentage, we are an elite offensive rebounding team

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The one that stand out to me is the last line. They commit a LOT of fouls. Holy cow.
 
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I suspect that's at least partly due to long rebounds off all the threes they shoot.
Are people saying this because they understand it as a general basketball rule? Or are they just guessing?

The general rule is shots at the rim leads to offensive rebounds. Because your rim protector is out the play. That’s the actual rule behind generating offensive rebounds.
 
Are people saying this because they understand it as a general basketball rule? Or are they just guessing?

The general rule is shots at the rim leads to offensive rebounds. Because your rim protector is out the play. That’s the actual rule behind generating offensive rebounds.
Long rebounds make it more of a 50/50 chance, because the position that your bigs get when boxing out doesn’t matter at that point. Also, the shooter can read well where the ball will come off.
 
Are people saying this because they understand it as a general basketball rule? Or are they just guessing?
Look at their rebounding numbers. Not much difference between guards and bigs. Usually happens with lots of 3s because 3pt come off farther and faster from the rim.
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Long rebounds make it more of a 50/50 chance, because the position that your bigs get when boxing out doesn’t matter at that point. Also, the shooter can read well where the ball will come off.
That’s not how I learned it. It was always shots at the rim have higher chance at offensive rebounds. 3s lead to fast breaks for the other team because the rebound is long.

Which is part of the reason we ran Illinois out the gym when they started settling.
 
That’s not how I learned it. It was always shots at the rim have higher chance at offensive rebounds. 3s lead to fast breaks for the other team because the rebound is long.

Which is part of the reason we ran Illinois out the gym when they started settling.
I mean just thinking of it logically, defenders are typically closer to the rim and offensive players are typically on the perimeter. Long rebounds make it more of a crapshoot.
 
That’s not how I learned it. It was always shots at the rim have higher chance at offensive rebounds. 3s lead to fast breaks for the other team because the rebound is long.

Which is part of the reason we ran Illinois out the gym when they started settling.
Shots at the rim have a higher chance of bigs getting the rebound, and usually that's the defense. Shots from 3 create a randomness because of how they bounce around. It's why you see the rebounds spread all over the place for Alabama, not just their bigs.
 
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Are people saying this because they understand it as a general basketball rule? Or are they just guessing?

The general rule is shots at the rim leads to offensive rebounds. Because your rim protector is out the play. That’s the actual rule behind generating offensive rebounds.
It's hard to tell if you're serious.
 
I mean just thinking of it logically, defenders are typically closer to the rim and offensive players are typically on the perimeter. Long rebounds make it more of a crapshoot.
The general rule is shots at the rim leads to offensive rebounds. Because your rim protector is out the play. That’s the actual rule behind generating offensive rebounds.
It’s like if someone beats a guy off the dribble and now your center has to contest. He’s out of the picture for a rebound. Making a weak side rebound likely and more probable.

It’s not a crapshoot, it’s actual strategy.
 
It’s like if someone beats a guy off the dribble and now your center has to contest. He’s out of the picture for a rebound. Making a weak side rebound likely and more probable.

It’s not a crapshoot, it’s actual strategy.
I understand what you are saying, I just disagree. Others crash the boards as well when it’s a close shot, it’s not just that the weakside guy automatically gets it.

There’s no point to continue this argument. Long rebounds add a ton more variance, you may have been taught that missed close shots do, but that doesn’t make it correct.
 
I suspect that's at least partly due to long rebounds off all the threes they shoot.
Pringle, Dioubate, and Wague are all great offensive rebounders (though the latter 2 are playing sparingly these days).

In general, it's not just the long rebounds. You know how UConn team defensive rebounds with our guards coming back in to help? Even if an opponent has position on one of our big guys, we have 2 other guys come in and try to just get in the way, swipe at the ball, and hope that 3v1 one of our guys comes up with it.... That's a lot harder to do when the floor is really spaced. And Alabama has the most spacing in the country.
 
As of this moment no one is defending better than us. Number one for the eye test. Offense we‘re doing it without the 3 so far.
 
I understand what you are saying, I just disagree. Others crash the boards as well when it’s a close shot, it’s not just that the weakside guy automatically gets it.

There’s no point to continue this argument. Long rebounds add a ton more variance, you may have been taught that missed close shots do, but that doesn’t make it correct.
Here’s the actual data on it.

Like I said it’s a general rule. But here’s something that speaks y’all language that says the same thing.

Also, the person who taught me this has more basketball knowledge in his pinky than anybody on this board.
 
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