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Indiana's titles:

1940 - 8 teams in tourney
1953 - 22 teams in tourney
1976 - 32 teams in tourney
1981 - 48 teams in tourney
1987 - 64 teams in tourney

1993/1994 through 2022/2023 - 1 time past elite 8
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Do you think all time only means the last 30 years? Like what is this lmao. Indiana has a more successful program ALL TIME than we do.
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Do you place equal weight to a tournament title won in an 8 team field or 64?

How about Elite 8s? More weight to a 64 team field or... 8 team field.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Do you place equal weight to a tournament title won in an 8 team field or 64?

How about Elite 8s? More weight to a 64 team field or... 8 team field.
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And when they further expand the tournament you'll put more weight on the performance of future winners than the titles UConn won when it was 64?
 
superjohn said:
And when they further expand the tournament you'll put more weight on the performance of future winners than the titles UConn won when it was 64?
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Yeah, of course.

Is it that hot of a take to say winning 6 games is harder than 3?

I'm not some kind of UConn homer. I think you could put Nova and maybe even Louisville ahead of UConn on these lists. I just think Indiana due to such minimal success in the modern 64 team era knocks them down a peg.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Do you place equal weight to a tournament title won in an 8 team field or 64?

How about Elite 8s? More weight to a 64 team field or... 8 team field.
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I don't get this take at all. If there is anything about the old NCAA championship winners, it's that there was a period when winning the NIT was similarly prestigious in the 40s and 50s. Some teams that might have won another title went to the NIT instead. St. Johns, for example, has a better history than their NCAA appearances show. So does PC.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I don't get this take at all. If there is anything about the old NCAA championship winners, it's that there was a period when winning the NIT was similarly prestigious in the 40s and 50s. Some teams that might have won another title went to the NIT instead. St. Johns, for example, has a better history than their NCAA appearances show. So does PC.
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So we should further devalue the old titles. Again another point against Indiana.
 
These rankings are always subjective. They should of course look at historical success, but need to factor in recent success as well. In the case of Indiana vs. UConn, for example- they have one more championship than us but the last one they had was in 1987. Who has been the better team over the past 35 years though? There needs to be some weight given to that.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
So we should further devalue the old titles. Again another point against Indiana.
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No, and it wouldn't matter. National Championships are one measure. Certainly one UConn has in its favor. But all time wins, appearances, deep runs, conference championships, all of that matters. And IU is ahead of UConn on all of those. Not far ahead, but ahead. Several of UConn's NCAA appearances and two sweet 16s came in the 50s.
 
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superjohn said:
If this is a joke, what's the punchline?

Indiana 3 national titles and a 5 final 4's during that 30 year period.
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You asked me:

superjohn said:
The 30 years before that is also a huge chunk of change, how did UConn do in comparison to Indiana during that stretch?
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1992-1993 through 1962-1963 UConn made 1 Elite 8. The same amount of Elite 8s that Indiana had made 1993-1994 thru present.

We did all of our damage in the modern era, which I think holds more weight due to level of difficulty in winning 6 do or die games.

P.S. @HuskyHawk UConn has more regular season titles than Indiana.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
You asked me:



1992-1993 through 1962-1963 UConn made 1 Elite 8. The same amount of Elite 8s that Indiana had made 1993-1994 thru present.

We did all of our damage in the modern era, which I think holds more weight due to level of difficulty in winning 6 do or die games.

P.S. @HuskyHawk UConn has more regular season titles than Indiana.
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So I guess it wasn't a joke.

Reading comprehension...

Indiana has 3 national titles and 5 final fours in the 30 year stretch before.

I asked you how UConn did during that stretch compared to Indiana.
 
superjohn said:
So I guess it wasn't a joke.

Reading comprehension...

Indiana has 3 national titles and 5 final fours in the 30 year stretch before.

I asked you how UConn did during that stretch compared to Indiana.
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Yeah and I told you - UConn made 1 Elite 8 during that period when Indiana won 3 titles and made 5 final 4s.

The coincidence being that in the last 30 years when we've won 4 titles and made 5 final 4s, is that Indiana had only advanced to same number of Elite 8s as us during our down yeara - 1.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
They've been to 1 Elite 8 in 30 years (reached the NCAA final). That's the same amount as St. Peter's.

Not to mention I think only 1 of their titles came with the expanded 64+ team field.
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The list is “all time”, not the last 30 years, or during the 64 team tournament era.
 
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Any list can only be interpreted based on the criteria that were used to formulate it. When a list purports to be “greatest men’s basketball programs of all time”, that’s misleading because it doesn’t specify what they’re “greatest” at. For example, a list based exclusively on national championships would look different than a list based on program wins.

Just as an example of how lists can look different, I’m going to presents a list, based on success limited to success in the tournaments era (1938-present) and based solely on national championships + final fours with NCs weighted more heavily, with Elite 8’s used as a tiebreaker, and with adjustments made for the NIT era:

1. UCLA
2. North Carolina
3. Kentucky
4. Duke
5. Kansas
6. Louisville
7. Indiana
8. UConn
9. Michigan State
10. Villanova
12. San Francisco
13. Michigan
14. Florida
15. Ohio State
16. Syracuse
17. NC State
18. Oklahoma State
19.Georgetown
20. St. John’s
21. Arizona
22. Arkansa
23. Utah
24. UNLV
25. Loyola (Chi)
 
cullaville said:
The criteria seems to be all time so UCLA needs to be given credit for their 11 titles and dominance during that period, I know people say that they had it easier always playing teams from the West in the early rounds of the tournament instead of the better teams from the East but UCLA did win ten titles in 12 years.

If the criteria were since 2000 then UCLA would not be in the ratings.
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UCLA has made 16 tournament appearances and has been to 4 Final Fours since 2000. Only 13 programs have won NCs since 2000, so even if all of them are on your list, that still leaves a dozen other spots on a list of 25. UCLA is the only program to have been to 4 without winning a NC since 2000.

So, of we’re just talking about 2000 and beyond, then I suspect that UCLA would in fact be on anyone’s top 25 list.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I could let Indiana slide. But MSU is just disrespectful.

4 championships to 2.

NBA players aren’t even comparable.
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Hmmm . . .

Well, it’s not like they didn’t produce any successful NBA players:

Magic Johnson
Draymond Green
Kevin Willis
Jay Vincent
Scott Skiles
Johnny Green
Steve Smith
Eric Snow
Ralph Simpson
Mo Peterson

But really what does NBA success have to do with being a great college program? Maternity Cleaves, the star of their 2000 national champions, for example, was a great college player despite the fact that his game didn’t translate into the NBA.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Yeah and I told you - UConn made 1 Elite 8 during that period when Indiana won 3 titles and made 5 final 4s.

The coincidence being that in the last 30 years when we've won 4 titles and made 5 final 4s, is that Indiana had only advanced to same number of Elite 8s as us during our down yeara - 1.
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Yes, that's the point. You said the past 30 years is a huge chunk of history, so is the 30 years before that when Indiana went to 5 final 4's and won three national championships. UCLA has won way more national championships than UConn but they've only won 1 since 1975, they're always ahead of UConn on these lists because basketball was played before the 1990's.
 
Arizona and 'Cuse with only 1 natty? Puh-leeeeze
 
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LOL at Draymond. If he didn't have Steph and Klay (Durant as well), he wouldn't be in this conversation. Career triple single threat! 8/7/6 guy, really tough to find! Product of a dynasty for sure. Guy is really close with Lebron too, people forget that
 
superjohn said:
Yes, that's the point. You said the past 30 years is a huge chunk of history, so is the 30 years before that when Indiana went to 5 final 4's and won three national championships. UCLA has won way more national championships than UConn but they've only won 1 since 1975, they're always ahead of UConn on these lists because basketball was played before the 1990's.
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Don't even try to conflate UCLA with Indiana. First off, the title counts aren't comparable and as @Billy Jack wrote above UCLA has been to 4 F4s since 2000 and is relevant way more often than not.

Different sports but how do you compare say the Patriots and Bears? The Bears have 9 NFL championships to the Patriots 6... But only 1 in the SB era. I rank the Patriots higher (as a Giants fan). At some point you have to consider eras and a bit of recency bias.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Don't even try to conflate UCLA with Indiana. First off, the title counts aren't comparable and as @Billy Jack wrote above UCLA has been to 4 F4s since 2000 and is relevant way more often than not.

Different sports but how do you compare say the Patriots and Bears? The Bears have 9 NFL championships to the Patriots 6... But only 1 in the SB era. I rank the Patriots higher (as a Giants fan). At some point you have to consider eras and a bit of recency bias.
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I'm not, you're the one who tried to make a list of the top programs of all time about only the last 30 years.

I give you credit for still posting in this thread and willing to die on this hill.
 
superjohn said:
I'm not, you're the one who tried to make a list of the top programs of all time about only the last 30 years.

I give you credit for still posting in this thread and willing to die on this hill.
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So, Pats or Bears?
 
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