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Thoughts on the Portal, NIL and expanded CFP world

If the kid can make a ton of money, then I'm all for it. I still believe this will be a net neutral for football. We'll lose a top player here or there, but we can pick up a ton of P5 kids that want playing time immediately. Basketball will be able to poach other players.
 
shizzle787 said:
My point is that some players will move to the Pac-12, Big 12, ACC, or even top-end AAC or MWC schools but many will stay in the SEC and/or B1G as those leagues will have more spots in the field. A kid at Iowa is more likely to make the playoff than a kid at Arizona State as Iowa only have to be the 3rd best B1G team to get in the field; Arizona State likely has to win the Pac-12.
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It’s about playing during the season, not simply sitting on the bench for a playoff team. Every team plays during the season.
 
I heard on the radio during a discussion on the portal and its effects that somewhere between 40 and 50% of the kids who hit the portal last year didn’t end up anywhere. They get stuck in a sort of portal limbo where they have to pay their own way in school but aren’t playing football for anyone.

I think eventually this thing is going to slow down where alot of those 40-50% kids just stick where they are.
 
I'm thinking that a private chat room would have probably worked better, than this thread, for a couple of individuals.
 
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ZachFan said:
I'm thinking that a private chat room would have probably worked better, than this thread, for a couple of individuals.
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Welcome to the Boneyard.
 
Because XFL, USFL, Minor league baseball, and the G-League have such tremendous ratings, tv revenue and cache, of course the NBA and NFL would want to create their own minor league system.
 
History Geek said:
I think UConn has a shot to be in a league like this. No, our academics are not at this level, but we are a highly respected public flagship that competes on the periphery with these schools for students (i.e. UConn is an academic/financial safety for kids whose first choice is one of these -- I teach seniors at a CT public high school, I know). I bet there are enough institutions like this to put together a nice league, maybe enough for an eastern league. Add Wake to that list, and perhaps us, BC, Syracuse, Rutgers (pains me to type), Pitt, Georgia Tech, Miami (I don't think they can compete with the highest football tier anymore). Maybe convince Villanova and Georgetown to invest in football at this level. I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.
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Convincing Nova or Georgetown to invest at a FBS rate equals "Waiting for Godot". Been there, done that. Not interested.
 
coachcap said:
Convincing Nova or Georgetown to invest at a FBS rate equals "Waiting for Godot". Been there, done that. Not interested.
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True, but if they change their minds I'd be OK with it.
 
History Geek said:
I think UConn has a shot to be in a league like this. No, our academics are not at this level, but we are a highly respected public flagship that competes on the periphery with these schools for students (i.e. UConn is an academic/financial safety for kids whose first choice is one of these -- I teach seniors at a CT public high school, I know). I bet there are enough institutions like this to put together a nice league, maybe enough for an eastern league. Add Wake to that list, and perhaps us, BC, Syracuse, Rutgers (pains me to type), Pitt, Georgia Tech, Miami (I don't think they can compete with the highest football tier anymore). Maybe convince Villanova and Georgetown to invest in football at this level. I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.
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Why would any of those teams want to move from where they are, unless there is some sort of total implosion of their leagues? I don't know about all of them, but isn't Rutgers getting 100 million for facilities? Miami just made an 80 million deal for a coach, and just announced a 100 million facilities project. These schools aren't going to spend the money just to leave.

An Eastern football league would have been a nice thing, but the window was missed a while ago unfortunately.
 
traitor71 said:
Why would any of those teams want to move from where they are, unless there is some sort of total implosion of their leagues? I don't know about all of them, but isn't Rutgers getting 100 million for facilities? Miami just made an 80 million deal for a coach, and just announced a 100 million facilities project. These schools aren't going to spend the money just to leave.

An Eastern football league would have been a nice thing, but the window was missed a while ago unfortunately.
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The transition to a true minor league brings a lot of costs, and may not bring more revenue over the long term.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Because XFL, USFL, Minor league baseball, and the G-League have such tremendous ratings, tv revenue and cache, of course the NBA and NFL would want to create their own minor league system.
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But you think college football and college basketball will be successful as a minor league?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
But you think college football and college basketball will be successful as a minor league?
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No - I think most people root for their respective school or states laundry and why most people don't care about the Scranton Wilkes Barre Yankees or the Westchester Knicks but 13,000 people show up to Dayton University basketball games.
 
traitor71 said:
Why would any of those teams want to move from where they are, unless there is some sort of total implosion of their leagues? I don't know about all of them, but isn't Rutgers getting 100 million for facilities? Miami just made an 80 million deal for a coach, and just announced a 100 million facilities project. These schools aren't going to spend the money just to leave.

An Eastern football league would have been a nice thing, but the window was missed a while ago unfortunately.
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I think the possibility of implosions is strong, especially the ACC
 
coachcap said:
Convincing Nova or Georgetown to invest at a FBS rate equals "Waiting for Godot". Been there, done that. Not interested.
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Agreed. I think if they could figure out how to do it Georgetown would be more interested in playing an Ivy League level schedule in all sports rather than going the other direction with football. Villanova is not interested either.
 
They were talking about the challenges that Stanford has with the transfer portal on Sirius College Sports channel this morning. I could see the super-elite academic league happening at some point. There are ways that Stanford and Northwestern can compete with anyone, and there are ways that they can't.

It would be interesting to see what Notre Dame does. They don't want to be in a league with Minnesota or Florida State, but a big chunk of their alumni would like to be in a league with Northwestern and Stanford.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
They were talking about the challenges that Stanford has with the transfer portal on Sirius College Sports channel this morning. I could see the super-elite academic league happening at some point. There are ways that Stanford and Northwestern can compete with anyone, and there are ways that they can't.

It would be interesting to see what Notre Dame does. They don't want to be in a league with Minnesota or Florida State, but a big chunk of their alumni would like to be in a league with Northwestern and Stanford.
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Sure. Just not in football.

ND is going to re-sign with NBC for a big raise and stay status quo otherwise unless/until the ACC implodes.

If that happens, UConn just might find itself in the same conference as ND, the Big East.
 
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Looks like the SEC is shedding some talent. Hard to keep all those 4 and 5 star recruits happy when every other school can pay them too now.
 
I think we all agree that college sports are a business and the last 25 years have shown that it is a cutthroat business. Leaving a conference? Sure, no problem. Leaving schools behind? Sure, no problem. Offering money to a kid at a competing school? Sure, no problem. All of this means that there is loyalty to dollars and not to other schools (with some exceptions). For example, does Ohio St. care about Rutgers and does Rutgers benefit Ohio St. financially or athletically? No. Does Ohio St. care about Michigan? Yes as having a heated rival is good both financially and athletically.

In my mind this means all conferences are not that stable and I wouldn't be surprised if we see schools get kicked out of conferences in the future or conferences get reformed with lower value schools not getting a seat. Think this isn't plausible? Look at what happened in 1994 when the Big 8 and 4 of the schools from the SWC formed the Big 12 and left TCU, Houston, SMU, and Rice from the SWC behind. Do you think Texas cared that 4 schools were left behind? No.

Plus, NIL and the transfer portal are a problem for some schools. Do you think schools like Stanford and Northwestern can take a portal kid from a low level academic school? No. The portal is problematic for a number of FBS elite academic schools. Unless you are recruiting 4*s and 5*s, you will not be able to compete in college football with high school talent alone. And, NIL is problematic as well for academic schools and schools with smaller fan bases and support. Buckle up.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
They were talking about the challenges that Stanford has with the transfer portal on Sirius College Sports channel this morning. I could see the super-elite academic league happening at some point. There are ways that Stanford and Northwestern can compete with anyone, and there are ways that they can't.

It would be interesting to see what Notre Dame does. They don't want to be in a league with Minnesota or Florida State, but a big chunk of their alumni would like to be in a league with Northwestern and Stanford.
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Another chunk would like them to stay out of any league but play the cream of the bBig and SEC. I know the previous President said ND would never be interested in a league where players get paid. I doubt the current one feels that way
 
This original post and thread is a great read. Whether or not a certain prediction is right or wrong really isn't the main thing. The issue here is that everything is going to change. Most importantly, how has our athletic department started to adjust.

Where we are trending well:
Athletic Scheduling. (non conference games are key in football, baseball, it swings more toward winning in hockey, basketball, etc. Depends on sport).
Working Transfer pool (not just football, but basketball, baseball, etc.)
Branding. (Huge uptick in quality this year).

Where we need work in some sports but seem to be starting well:
TV Contract - we have a good start, need to keep it up.
Working on NIL. (Always room for everyone to work on this - like how it's starting though)

Where there are concerns
Rivalry/Identity. (Football team doesn't have a main rival, basketball has rivals from old big east we don't play)
Conference alignment: Great in basketball, our hockey conference is great, after that a bit of a drop off (we need to improve soccer and that will be a fine conference as we regrow. I think UConn is already looking ahead at possible football options which may not even interfere with basketball).
 
freescooter said:
Another chunk would like them to stay out of any league but play the cream of the bBig and SEC. I know the previous President said ND would never be interested in a league where players get paid. I doubt the current one feels that way
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A lot of the "ND should be football independent forever" fans are not actually ND alums or major boosters. ND likes being a football power, but it makes much more money and gets much more prestige from its academic pursuits, and being affiliated with other academically elite D1 schools would be interesting to a big chunk of the decision makers, especially given the tradeoffs that schools will have to make as they transition to minor league teams.
 
shizzle787 said:
If you play for a B1G school you have a greater percentage chance of making the field than a Pac-12 school.
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I'd hope for the guys with next level aspirations that their individual career is more important than riding pine and watching teammates play in the CFP
 
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San Diego State and Florida Atlantic are in the Final Four. A middle of the pack ACC team is the only P5 school in the Final Four, and UConn is back in the Final Four, after many on this board were against the move to the Big East.

The NIL and Transfer Portal have changed EVERYTHING in college athletics. Most of the decision makers appreciate that, although it is hard to see where this will end up and I think some of the decision makers are making bad decisions (see UCLA and USC to the Big 10). All we know for sure is that the status quo is over.

Basketball needs fewer players, so it transformed quicker than football did, but change is coming to football too. I think we are going to see some shocker programs in the CFP Final Four within 2-3 years.
 
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