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Thoughts on that debacle

4in16 said:
No, I'm delusional and haven't taken off my blue tinted homer glasses:rolleyes: Head bang.


This has been the most disappointing and painful season to watch as fan. Why you guys want to rip apart my comment saying we should absolutely beat the dregs of this conference which they conveniently play back to back to back is beyond me. This team has been awful like you said, so playing a stretch like this at this point can do nothing but help. I don't care how bad they've been to this point, it's a lost season that's a moot point. Just because I won't post depressing facts doesn't mean I'm not worried how things have gone.
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It's fairly simple. UConn is horrific by their usual standards. Tulane, East Carolina and USF can't fog a mirror.

Taking something from those games is like taking something from wins of Eastern or Wesleyan.
 
Oh well I guess it's good to know that we won't die if UConn doesn't have a good basketball team.
 
4in16 said:
What? How you got that from my post is ridiculous. Some of you people are insufferable. Nowhere did I deny how bad we've been or how we can't dominate this conference. Just because we're not 25-5 every year means we're in a tailspin. We've won 2 of the last 6 titles, I don't care how fluky they were. If we have back to back losing seasons I'll hit the red alert but until then continue to question my fandom.
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Just responding to your statement UConn should win the next four or so games. As to the rest of my post I'm not sure you read it accurately. You were responding how you would deal with things concerning the season and the future. I was expressing how I plan to approach it. I didn't mean to imply you are doing it wrong. I'm definitely not questioning your fandom. I actually agree with you about the red alert.
 
whaler11 said:
Oh well I guess it's good to know that we won't die if UConn doesn't have a good basketball team.
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Hope it helps. Just for enlightenment, what's your skin in all of this?
 
fleudslipcon said:
Just responding to your statement UConn should win the next four or so games. As to the rest of my post I'm not sure you read it accurately. You were responding how you would deal with things concerning the season and the future. I was expressing how I plan to approach it. I didn't mean to imply you are doing it wrong. I'm definitely not questioning your fandom. I actually agree with you about the red alert.
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I don't think you got the point of my post. They were beyond terrible tonight the most painful game to watch this season, but again not an unexpected result. So when I said I'd worry if we somehow manage to lose to one of the 3 bottom feeders was in comparison to losing in a place we've never won to a top 2 team in the league. No where in that original post did I say I wasn't distraught by our play in this conference and how we can't dominate the regular season. Sorry if I didn't make that clear, I appreciate your response here.
 
4in16 said:
I don't think you got the point of my post. They were beyond terrible tonight the most painful game to watch this season, but again not an unexpected result. So when I said I'd worry if we somehow manage to lose to one of the 3 bottom feeders was in comparison to losing in a place we've never won to a top 2 team in the league. No where in that original post did I say I wasn't distraught by our play in this conference and how we can't dominate the regular season. Sorry if I didn't make that clear, I appreciate your response here.
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Gottcha. Missed that.

And to repeat myself just to make sure I was clear, this team is in a bad tailspin morality wise. I would not be surprised if they lose one or more of the next four games. As you can see from the degree and number of fear responses after today's game it's only human nature to continue to spiral negatively when there is a succession of bad things happening. And playing to exhaustion because the team is shorthanded isn't helping matters.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
Gottcha. Missed that.

And to repeat myself just to make sure I was clear, this team is in a bad tailspin morality wise. I would not be surprised if they lose one or more of the next four games. As you can see from the degree and number of fear responses after today's game it's only human nature to continue to spiral negatively when there is a succession of bad things happening. And playing to exhaustion because the team is shorthanded isn't helping matters.
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I get what you're saying morality wise, I guess we'll see.
 
superjohn said:
It's totally unacceptable we get blown out down there every game. I like Durham's potential but he's a freak that reminds you of Anthony Davis? That sounds like some serious hyperbole.
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I wouldn't say it's hyperbole because I'm only comparing them stylistically. Kind of like it's not hyperbole to say Larrier reminds you of Paul George or Adams reminds you of Kyrie.

With Durham, you can visualize the prototype even as he trudges through the tender stages of his road back. First thing that jumps out at you is his wingspan - 7'3+. That's rare, especially when he's proven capable of moving his feet well on the perimeter. Hell, Ollie has plugged him in at the three from time to time - the sheer thought of a man his size playing the three is freakish. He also looks like he knows how to play basketball, which isn't something I take for granted anymore after our last few big's.

He's a damn rail right now. He's not a D-1 player from a strength standpoint - he gets tossed around out there in a way that makes Brimah look like DeAndre Joran. That's not surprising considering his injuries, and it's also not surprising that he moves so tentatively. He doesn't trust the knee yet. I don't know if he ever will. You hope he's not another Omar Calhoun type who never can come all the way back from devastating injuries. He's one of those guys where I vacillate between wondering what might be and what could have been. You wonder just how much a kid like that would have blown up on the circuit w/o the injuries, because he's the rare bread where you pretty much throw the ceiling out based on some of his physical attributes.
 
^ my view on Durham as well. He just oozes talent and there are moments when he forgets about his knees and makes an assertive play. But then most other times when the tentativeness takes over. He could be a huge star or a sad tale of "what if." I agree with you that if he had not gotten hurt in high school, he ends up a top 10-20 recruit considering size and skillset.
 
Something seemed "off" teamwise last night. Looked that way to me anyway.
1. Didn't like the way Adams spouted off so many times at his teamates. I believe he should shut up most times and direct his energy elsewhere.
2. Rodney, mmm....too bad Foxen was injured...;)
3. Vance Jackson tried to the very end. Props to him. Gonna be good. Had a good game.
4. Not having Enoch hurt, though he's critisized for his "d".
5. Jalen shot so poorly, one would think only his body and mouth showed up.. brain somewhaere else,..kids got talent, but seems he's hurting himself and the team. Time to "zip-it" as Barney once said, and grow up.
6. Did like the way Ollie was involved without quitting on the team.
Need some Kembaness...
 
Storrs South said:
While I agree Purvis has warranted getting benched (again), I don't see it happening. As a 5th year senior that has given this program many minutes (albeit mostly bad ones this season), I just don't think Ollie will pull the plug in addition to I don't think the optics look great to the players, recruits, etc.

You could always let him have the starting role in name and just give Vital more minutes. Same effect just a lot more subtle and not as obvious that people would notice too much. Maybe I'm overdramatizing, but just a thought.
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I am not saying KO will bench Purvis, but I think he should.

I disagree on the optics. Recruits want to know the best players will play. Most Recruits think they will be the best player at their position on a team. A coach who shows the world he will give a Senior a lot of rope, but isn't afraid to play a hotter (maybe) hand would score points with potential recruits.

To other post, KO has a ring and has recruited rather well. His team got hit by a large and insatiable injury bug this year. He doesn't need a pass, an no half decent AD would even consider firing him.
 
Anyone who thought of taking the 9 1/2 points last night hasn't watched either team. SMU can make open 10-15 footers in regularity and they were going to get them. And they crash the offensive boards like no one else, most teams should take a page from this.

Anyone saying Jalen Adams needs to "zip it and grow up" only watched last nights game. He's been playing very well and anyone playing 40 minutes a game at PG on a team with very few answers is allowed a night or 2 of bad basketball. Heck half of his team does that 3 out of 4 games so how much fun is he and Kentan having? Relax and watch the game, he's been good!
 
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mauconnfan said:
Anyone who thought of taking the 9 1/2 points last night hasn't watched either team. SMU can make open 10-15 footers in regularity and they were going to get them. And they crash the offensive boards like no one else, most teams should take a page from this.

Anyone saying Jalen Adams needs to "zip it and grow up" only watched last nights game. He's been playing very well and anyone playing 40 minutes a game at PG on a team with very few answers is allowed a night or 2 of bad basketball. Heck half of his team does that 3 out of 4 games so how much fun is he and Kentan having? Relax and watch the game, he's been good!
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how much did you win?
 
mauconnfan said:
Anyone who thought of taking the 9 1/2 points last night hasn't watched either team. SMU can make open 10-15 footers in regularity and they were going to get them. And they crash the offensive boards like no one else, most teams should take a page from this.

Anyone saying Jalen Adams needs to "zip it and grow up" only watched last nights game. He's been playing very well and anyone playing 40 minutes a game at PG on a team with very few answers is allowed a night or 2 of bad basketball. Heck half of his team does that 3 out of 4 games so how much fun is he and Kentan having? Relax and watch the game, he's been good!
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Adams' floor game has gotten a lot better, but he's also 20 for 62 from the field in his last five games. Not particularly surprising considering he's the focal point of the scouting report, but he needs to be better for this team to win. He'll put it all together eventually.
 
If you want to see bad recruiting, then let's have threads intimating that next year is Ollie's last year.
 
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champs99and04 said:
Adams' floor game has gotten a lot better, but he's also 20 for 62 from the field in his last five games. Not particularly surprising considering he's the focal point of the scouting report, but he needs to be better for this team to win. He'll put it all together eventually.
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Well he is a very inconsistent shooter, he is streaky and can get hot, but if you take away those friendly rims in Maui he is shooting 36% from the field and 29% from 3. That is not very good and a regression from last year.

Jackson is becoming a decent shooter but this team does not have one guy who can reliably knock down a shot. Jackson is shooting 36% from 3 and leading the team, the '14 team had 4 guys who had higher percentages.

I know this is not deep insight but if you do not have anyone who can consistently put the ball in the basket you are going to be a very bad basketball team.
 
Palatine said:
Adams had a horrible game.

He does seem to have come to the realization that he must put others in front of himself. Which is good. But he couldn't perform when he he had to put the team on his shoulders. In truth, he kind of got lost.
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Adams hadn't been confronted with type of defense this season.
 
Durham needs to get his legs underneath him. Another year after his operations and he may get some hop back into his game.
 
Adams isn't just the focal point of the defense, he's the only point of the defense. Crap games happen once in a while. He's literally one of the very few bright spots this season..if you are suffering through a game, at least enjoy him.

Generally, I like positive leaders..but I would have lost it by now with Brimah and Purvis...give Adams a break there.

I don't know why people are so down in the dumps with this program. We three of our for best players between last year and this one (Hamilton, and the two injuries). We are short on depth. Short on offense..Our seniors are having an unexpected putrid season, but it is what it is...

And all that being said, I'm not giving up on this team in the tournament. Crazy as it is..March is Uconn time.
 
I'm giving up on this year's team. Does that make me a disloyal and bad fan? Do I get put on double secret probation? Look, I would love nothing more than to take a section of a game where we played well and transpose that into us winning the AAC but the only person I would be trying to fool is myself. Speaking strictly from a basketball skills perspectivebecause we know that these kids are nice and try hard playing for U, we are a terribly bad team. We never addressed our big situation and relied on a wish and a prayer, improvement. Amida never got the message or if he did he could not deliver. Purvis a 5th year player, was supposed to be improving also but instead has played like a high school reserve guard. He was supposed to be scoring 20 points a game for us but likes to throw the ball away and double dribble instead. The one kid who did improve Facey just can't do it by himself. Adams is progressing nicely but with the defensive focus on him as the only player who can hurt the opposing team, he is going to be smothered. The freshman are coming on but a shortened roster magnifies AB's and Rodney;s deficiencies. We are going nowhere and will not sniff the NIT but I will watch and cheer for inprovement in next year's returnees. I would bench AB and Purvis and play walk ons at times, not sending a message but the walk ons might actually be better than them.
 
jibsey said:
I'm giving up on this year's team. Does that make me a disloyal and bad fan? Do I get put on double secret probation? Look, I would love nothing more than to take a section of a game where we played well and transpose that into us winning the AAC but the only person I would be trying to fool is myself. Speaking strictly from a basketball skills perspectivebecause we know that these kids are nice and try hard playing for U, we are a terribly bad team. We never addressed our big situation and relied on a wish and a prayer, improvement. Amida never got the message or if he did he could not deliver. Purvis a 5th year player, was supposed to be improving also but instead has played like a high school reserve guard. He was supposed to be scoring 20 points a game for us but likes to throw the ball away and double dribble instead. The one kid who did improve Facey just can't do it by himself. Adams is progressing nicely but with the defensive focus on him as the only player who can hurt the opposing team, he is going to be smothered. The freshman are coming on but a shortened roster magnifies AB's and Rodney;s deficiencies. We are going nowhere and will not sniff the NIT but I will watch and cheer for inprovement in next year's returnees. I would bench AB and Purvis and play walk ons at times, not sending a message but the walk ons might actually be better than them.
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I'm not sure what you're giving up on the team means? Are you saying you want the focus to be on next year and not this? That is a valid point of view, but there is no way to know if clipping Amida or Rodney's minutes, especially with a depleted roster, won't in fact harm or hinder the development of Jackson and Adams. It very could. As for the walk-on argument, I am absolutely shaking my head at how preposterous that sounds.
 
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This season has been over from a competitive standpoint for weeks. And we didn't hit rock bottom yet. It is very likely to get a lot worse. We just have to hope Jackson, Vital an Adams get valuable experience and move on. Maybe a surprising win or two to keep things interesting.
 
upstater said:
As for the walk-on argument, I am absolutely shaking my head at how preposterous that sounds.
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You'd think that after watching the walk-ons struggle to get the ball past mid-court or pass the ball around the perimeter without getting stripped people would internalize how dumb it is but this is the Boneyard.
 
80shusky said:
This season has been over from a competitive standpoint for weeks. And we didn't hit rock bottom yet. It is very likely to get a lot worse. We just have to hope Jackson, Vital an Adams get valuable experience and move on. Maybe a surprising win or two to keep things interesting.
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Why is it very likely to get a lot worse? I don't see any teams left on the schedule better than the one that bent them over a table last night.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Why is it very likely to get a lot worse? I don't see any teams left on the schedule better than the one that bent them over a table last night.
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Because the team is so demoralized right now they probably have little fight left. The weaker programs had no expectations this season. They shoulder less weight and that is significant going forward. I hope 80s and I are wrong but I never underplay emotional reaction to things.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Because the team is so demoralized right now they probably have little fight left. The weaker programs had no expectations this season. They shoulder less weight and that is significant going forward. I hope 80s and I are wrong but I never underplay emotional reaction to things.
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I give Ollie more credit than that. I think these kids will fight. The problem last night was Purvis and Brimah not providing senior leadership. They can't let the refs get into their heads like that. They have to be much tougher than that.

I a concerned about the zone though. It ain't working.
 
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