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BackBay said:
What a disgrace. UConn crushed ND recently on their home court. Both teams have similar SOS, 1-loss. And, they put ND over UConn??? Garbage & typical ND-bias. That's all I'll say.
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Disagree. UConn lost no.8 ranked team. ND lost to no.2 and both lost by double digits. If Louisville wasn't undeafeated they would have only dropped a spot. Baylor beat UConn and is still behind UConn.
 
DallasBUFan said:
Disagree. UConn lost no.8 ranked team. ND lost to no.2 and both lost by double digits. If Louisville wasn't undeafeated they would have only dropped a spot. Baylor beat UConn and is still behind UConn.
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Two big differences:
1). UConn lost on the road, ND lost at home to the team they just jumped in the polls! Both were hostile environments.
2). ND & UConn had the same record, while Baylor had 1 loss already.

BTW, I would have been fine with:
1). Louisville (undefeated)
2). UConn
3). ND
4). Baylor
 
BackBay said:
Two big differences:
1). UConn lost on the road, ND lost at home to the team they just jumped in the polls! Both were hostile environments.
2). ND & UConn had the same record, while Baylor had 1 loss already.
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Baylor was undefeated at this time you were mentioning this. Okay so ND lost at home to the no.2 team by double digits. You lost to a team at the bottom half of top ten by double digits. So they practically even out.
 
vowelguy said:
How far should they have fallen?
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Perhaps the five slots MD fell after losing to unranked Rutgers?

Other than seeding for the regionals, this is mostly about who we dislike, isn't it?
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I would have thought beating #4 on their floor would have gotten us a bit more love. But oh well, it seems like we lose whenever we get ranked anyways. Just got to keep winning.
 
Sifaka said:
Perhaps the five slots MD fell after losing to unranked Rutgers?
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There is no formula for how to do rankings. It is ENTIRELY based on context.

Maryland, even moreso than Louisville, is an unknown so it gets penalized heavily for a loss.

Tenn, in contrast, won at now-#11 Texas. The Horns have done nothing remarkable since then, so there's little reason for them to be far from TN in the ranks. And with #12, 15, 16, 18 losing, just who is Tn supposed to fall behind?
 
What I do not understand is why Baylor is less than UConn. Louisville should be number 1, Baylor 2, UConn 3, and ND 4. I am just dreaming. What the hell do I know. Seems to be no logic to their ranking that is easy to see.
 
I would have Baylor ahead of us given they just soundly won the head to head matchup.
 
veryolddog said:
What I do not understand is why Baylor is less than UConn. Louisville should be number 1, Baylor 2, UConn 3, and ND 4. I am just dreaming. What the hell do I know. Seems to be no logic to their ranking that is easy to see.
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Baylor has a loss to Stanford.
 
Yeah, for folks worried about why Notre Dame is ranked ahead of UConn despite the head to head result, shouldn't there be similar concern for Baylor jumping Stanford even though Stanford beat them? That game was more recent than the ND-UConn game.
 
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I think UConn hovering at #2 or #3 puts us in a good position to get a strong seed and be somewhat below the radar (less of a target)
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ND 715 pts
LOU 708 pts
CON 701 pts

Considering it was 30 people voting, I think it’s not unfair to consider voting this close as a virtual tie for first place.

If LOU beats ND, then they would be the clear #1 in my mind. But UConn will be playing LOU on Jan 31, so there’s the chance for UConn to be #1 again.
 
SLY63 said:
I think UConn hovering at #2 or #3 puts us in a good position to get a strong seed and be somewhat below the radar (less of a target)
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UConn is never below the radar, are they? If we're on any other team's schedule, it's their biggest game of the season (according to the other team), isn't it? Twice as much if they are at home.
 
BackBay said:
What a disgrace. UConn crushed ND recently on their home court. Both teams have similar SOS, 1-loss. And, they put ND over UConn??? Garbage & typical ND-bias. That's all I'll say.
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It's not as ridiculous as it seems to you. Notre Dame had several other good wins before they lost to UConn, so their fall was soft and short. UConn hadn't look as good recently, winning the games before Baylor, but not very impressively. Did you not see the anxiety of many posters on this board before the loss to Baylor?

Are the computer rankings equally biased favoring Notre Dame?

Massey:

1. Notre Dame
2. UConn
3. Miss St.
4. Baylor
5. Louisville

Massey SOS:

1. Notre Dame
2. UConn
3. Baylor
4. Marquette
5. Drake

RPI

1. Notre Dame
2. Iowa St.
3. Syracuse
4. Stanford
5. UConn

RPI SOS

1. Notre Dame
2. Drake
3. Southern
4. Iowa St.
5. UCLA
15. UConn

ELO

1. Notre Dame
2. Louisville
3. UConn
4. Oregon
5. Stanford

Sonny Moore

1. Miss St.
2. Notre Dame
3. Marquette
4. UConn
5. Baylor

Sonny Moore SOS

1. Ohio St.
2. UConn
3. Notre Dame
4. Marquette
5. Oklahoma

Top 10 Massey teams record against the Massey Top 25 (ranking of teams played)

1. Notre Dame: 5-1 (2, 9, 10, 17, 18, 22)
2. UConn: 1-1 (1, 4)
3. Miss St. 3-1 (6, 9, 13, 15)
4. Baylor: 2-1 (2, 7, 14)
5. Louisville: 2-0 (13, 14)
6. Oregon: 2-1 (3, 11, 25)
7. Stanford: 2-1 (4, 10, 19)
8. NC St.: 1-0 (25)
9. Marquette: 0-3 (1, 3, 23)
10. Gonzaga: 1-1 (1, 7)
 
Fightin Choke said:
Top 10 Massey teams record against the Massey Top 25 (ranking of teams played)

1. Notre Dame: 5-1 (2, 9, 10, 17, 18, 22)
2. UConn: 1-1 (1, 4)
3. Miss St. 3-1 (6, 9, 13, 15)
4. Baylor: 2-1 (2, 7, 14)
5. Louisville: 2-0 (13, 14)
6. Oregon: 2-1 (3, 11, 25)
7. Stanford: 2-1 (4, 10, 19)
8. NC St.: 1-0 (25)
9. Marquette: 0-3 (1, 3, 23)
10. Gonzaga: 1-1 (1, 7)
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Not sure now why people bash our schedule when we've played more top 25 teams than any other team except Notre Dame. :p


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SimpleDawg said:
Not sure now why people bash our schedule when we've played more top 25 teams than any other team except Notre Dame. :p
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Well, to be honest, that's only true because by chance you played a top 25 team on the first week of conference play (SEC foe Kentucky). The OOC portion of the schedule featured just 3 top 25 teams, tie with many other schools. In fact, some teams have OOC games interspersed with their conference schedule. If we just consider the OOC portion of the schedule, here at the games against top 25 opponents:

Notre Dame: 7
UConn: 3
Miss St: 3
Baylor: 3
Louisville: 3
Oregon: 3
Stanford: 3
NC St.: 1
Marquette: 3
Gonzaga: 2

Miss St. should not be criticized for the 3 competitive OOC games they scheduled, but the remainder of the OOC schedule invites criticism. Rankings are Massey (99, 101, 140, 148, 282, 308, 344, 447, 464, 727). LINK
 
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Bear11 said:
Anyone else hoping for a tie at the top? It would be great marketing for the Notre Dame- Louisville matchup if they were both ranked number 1 when they face off this week. A long shot for sure but that's what I'm hoping for.

My real guess:
1. Notre Dame
2. Louisville
3. UConn
4. Baylor
5. Oregon
6. Stanford
7. Mississippi State
8. NC State
9. Maryland
10. Oregon State

I can see a legitimate argument for each of the teams in that top 4 to receive first place votes, and would not be surprised if they do. Has that ever happened this late in the season?
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Nice job..you nailed it!
 
huskeynut said:
UConn
ND
Louisville
Baylor
Mississippi State

Could be crazy, but you cannot put ND over UConn after UConn beat them on their home court by 18.
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Not so crazy...ND over UConn in lieu of Uconn's pummeling of ND on their court not too long ago makes the poll irrational.

Especially since UConn (and to be fair, Baylor) were coming off long breaks. The break affected UConn much more....they were ice cold and their timing was, to be very polite, way off.

You can tell the pollsters struggled with this one as the first three were grouped tightly.

I would have left the top three the same and moved Baylor up.

Its hard to make the argument that UConn is not the top team because ND and Louisville did nothing to earn the spot.

Losing by default is a concept I never much cared for....but I guess its too hard for these pollsters to really think it through.
 
I do not have a problem with the rankings. First it does not matter at this point and secondly, UConn has not played great before the loss. Even though we beat ND it does not secure a spot over them for the rest of the year. We are over Baylor who we just lost to so cannot have it both ways. Most of all, while I am 100% behind UConn, I can be objective and say that they are not playing like #1 right now. It's okay because they are human and lost and now have to correct some things. I still trust and believe they will.
 
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For the UCONN Fans complaining I get it. But outside of that UCONN Game for ND. Look at the rest of their resume and what they’ve done. And then look at how UCONN has looked recently. Will find out more Thursday when ND plays Louisville. But since that UCONN Game and even before that when they weren’t playing at their best they were beating teams pretty handily. But ever since that UCONN Game they’ve been crushing teams. They completely whipped a Marquette Team on the road that gave Miss St. a game. They’ve been playing a lot of the Bench midway through the 3rd Quarter in a lot of these games because the game is in hand. If You look at the entirety of the season. Outside of the UCONN Game and the first half against Oregon St. They’ve dominated and it’s not like they’ve dominated with a weak schedule. They’ve played a pretty tough schedule. I’ve went back and forth with this. This would be a different story I feel if Louisville or UCONN looked more dominate or if Baylor didn’t lose to Stanford they’d be Number 1. But if You look at Consistency. ND has been the most consistent against Some tough competition.
 
This situation comes up all the time on the men’s side. When the #1 team loses they almost always drop. Even if it means another team with the same number of losses moves ahead of them. It’s not always fair or logical, but such is recency bias.

I wouldn’t even want UConn to have stayed at #1. Let Notre Dame and Louisville duke it out for the privilege to wear the top ranking. Let UConn relish the status of minor underdog. It might just work in our favor.
 
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vowelguy said:
There is no formula for how to do rankings. It is ENTIRELY based on context.

Maryland, even moreso than Louisville, is an unknown so it gets penalized heavily for a loss.

Tenn, in contrast, won at now-#11 Texas. The Horns have done nothing remarkable since then, so there's little reason for them to be far from TN in the ranks. And with #12, 15, 16, 18 losing, just who is Tn supposed to fall behind?
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There are some definite frauds in the top 25 who shouldn't even be there and then there are those that are over-ranked in the polls. Texas is more over-ranked than Tennessee and should be in the low 20's in my estimation. Tenn should be in the mid teens (15-17 range).
Here's my 2 cents on the ratings:
1. ND-s/be #3
2. Louisville-s/be #4 still haven't played a team higher than #19 so the polls have it's right that they should be behind ND, they just screwed up having ND as #1.
3. UConn s/be #1 still
4. Baylor s/be #4
5. Oregon s/be #6, less impressive wins than Stanford
6. Stanford s/be #5
7. MSU s/b#7
8. NC State s/b#8
9. MD s/be #15 as their schedule, once again is pathetic and they lost at home to Rutgers
10. Oregon St s/be#9
11. Texas s/be #21, they lost to MSU & Tenn at home. Best win was yesterday at WVU as they have played NO ONE else even remotely good.
12. Syracuse s/be #12
13. Tenn s/be#17
14. Gonzaga s/be #10 as they beat Stanford and only lost to ND
15. Marquette s/be#18 while best loss was to MSU, other games vs. Miami and ND weren't particular close
16. Kentucky s/by #11 as they have performed better than Tenn, Texas, MD, Syracuse
17. Iowa s/be #14, Massey has them at 18 with SOS of #7 only "bad losss" is at home vs. FSU (not so bad)
18. Minn s/be not even in the top 25, this team is over ranked due to Whelan, their Massey rating is #46 with SOS of #129!
19. ASU s/be #13, with good losses vs. Baylor/Louisville, good win @ Utah, bad loss vs. AZ
20. Iowa State s/be #16 as Massey has them at #12 but they did lose to Iowa and SD State so behind Iowa seems right-plus, they get great fan support!
21. South Carolina s/b#22 behind Texas.
22. FSU s/be #19 ahead of Tex, Minn, SC
23. Mich St s/be #23
24. Cal s/be not even in top 25
25 Indiana s/be #23 with quality wins over UCLA, SD and Mich St
NR Miami s/be #24
NR Mizzou s/be #25 given their win over a still decent Tenn team, plus the top 25 needs another villain with Sophie fitting the bill!
 
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DefenseBB said:
There are some definite frauds in the top 25 who shouldn't even be there and then there are those that are over-ranked in the polls. Texas is more over-ranked than Tennessee and should be in the low 20's in my estimation. Tenn should be in the mid teens (15-17 range).
Here's my 2 cents on the ratings:
1. ND-s/be #3
2. Louisville-s/be #4 still haven't played a team higher than #19 so the polls have it right that they should be behind ND, they just screwed up having ND as #1.
3. UConn s/be #1 still
4. Baylor s/be #4
5. Oregon s/be #6, less impressive wins than Stanford
6. Stanford s/be #5
7. MSU s/b#7
8. NC State s/b#8
9. MD s/be #15 as their schedule, once again is pathetic and they lost at home to Rutgers
10. Oregon St s/be#9
11. Texas s/be #21, they lost to MSU & Tenn at home. Best win was yesterday at WVU as they have played NO ONE else even remotely good.
12. Syracuse s/be #12
13. Tenn s/be#17
14. Gonzaga s/be #10 as they beat Stanford and only lost to ND
15. Marquette s/be#18 while best loss was to MSU, other games vs. Miami and ND weren't particular close
16. Kentucky s/by #11 as they have performed better than Tenn, Texas, MD, Syracuse
17. Iowa s/be #14, Massey has them at 18 with SOS of #7 only "bad losss" is at home vs. FSU (not so bad)
18. Minn s/be not even in the top 25, this team is over ranked due to Whelan, their Massey rating is #46 with SOS of #129!
19. ASU s/be #13, with good losses vs. Baylor/Louisville, good win @ Utah, bad loss vs. AZ
20. Iowa State s/be #16 as Massey has them at #12 but they did lose to Iowa and SD State so behind Iowa seems right-plus, they get great fan support!
21. South Carolina s/b#22 behind Texas.
22. FSU s/be #19 ahead of Tex, Minn, SC
23. Mich St s/be #23
24. Cal s/be not even in top 25
25 Indiana s/be #23 with quality wins over UCLA, SD and Mich St
NR Miami s/be #24
NR Mizzou s/be #25 given their win over a still decent Tenn team, plus the top 25 needs another villain with Sophie fitting the bill!
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Perfect!
 
DefenseBB said:
Is it because I moved you up a spot? ;)
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Well, I am happy that you think OSU is unfairly ranked at #10 :D However, I gave you props for going through the analysis, and, I agree with all of it! I'm lazy, and you are not!
 
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